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Tony Sparano and Jason Garrett

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Sceeto, Jan 3, 2009.

  1. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    A couple of days ago, I was listening to the ESPN radio and they said that a lot of the hype over Garrett as being a head coach has died down because word is getting out from within the organization that Sparano actually had more to do with the Dallas offense over the last couple of years than did Garrett.

    I just thought it was kind of a cool shout out for our coach. =D
     
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  2. Straz

    Straz Me and my girl :)

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    Yeah, I have been hearing that a lot lately. Makes sense considering how much Dallas' offense has struggled this year. Garret really isn't head coach material in my opinion, and if he can't get an offense to put up at least three or four touchdowns a game when you have Marion Barber, Terrell Owens, Roy Williams, Patrick Crayton, Jason Witten, and Tony Romo...you don't know how to conduct an offense.
     
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  3. Tone_E

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    Wade Phillips has to manage the players first for them to all be on the same page and unselfish. If not, you can have 11 pro bowlers on the field and it wont make a difference. Okay, maybe that was a stretch, but you know what I mean.
     
  4. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Jason Garret is interviewing for the Broncos job, and told the Lions don't bother calling, he has no interest in coaching there.

    When an assistant can tell a NFL team, with the #1 pick in the draft, to buzz off, he either has an inflated ego, or he knows he can do better.
     
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  5. Straz

    Straz Me and my girl :)

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    Well, by what we've seen this year out of the Cowboys offense and what we saw last year makes you really think about Garret's ability to even be an offensive coordinator. The Cowboys basically kept everyone on the offense last year, and even added Roy Williams. now, I'm not a big Roy Williams fan, but still, he is a solid addition to an offense, and in no way should that make your offensive performance worse. I think Garret got a rude awaking this year, and I feel sorry for any team that hires them as a head coach becuase I don't think he has what it takes.
     
  6. Straz

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    The Lions would honestly be a great situation for a coach in my opinion. You have a lot of draft picks, so you can draft players that fit your scheme. You have an owner and a community that only wants to see the Lions succeed. Living here close to Detroit, I go to a lot of sporting events here.. ie Red Wings, Pistons, Lions, Michigan State games and after watching how the Tigers were very bad for such a long time, and then in '06 when they made their World Series won, all this town was talking about was the Tigers. Detroit has fans that would help get this team on the map if they ever do good. I don't know very many cities who in a whole would support a 0-16 team, but if you even got an 8-8 record here in Detroit fans would be coming to every home game, and Ford Field is one of the nicest facilities in the NFL in my opinion. Not to mention, you already have a lot of solid players such as: Calvin Johnson, who reminds me of Randy Moss..this kid will be one of the great ones..Ernie Sims, he's shown that he can be a very solid line backer..Kevin Smith, a rookie running back that showed glimpses of being an every down back..there are a few pieces here and this would be a great spot to coach.
     
  7. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Straz, the Lions are devoid of talent on the roster, they are in a worse situation then we were in last offseason when Tuna said we had "3 guys and a kicker".

    Whomever lands that job will have to look at the roster as if it were an Expansion team, unless they go with a Head Coach like Marty Schottenheimer or even the unretired Dan Reeves, they are going to have a tough time finding a quality Coach.

    The Cowboys regressed on offense this season, and yet, even Jason Garret told them to buzz off.
     
  8. Straz

    Straz Me and my girl :)

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    But I still think that a coach could work magic here in Detroit. Detroit has a few play makers, and they have a whole lot of draft picks. I think a coach could turn this organization around.
     
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    hard harry New Member

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    He turn down B'more last year as well!! I think it shows a certain level of doubt in hin own ability. HC jobs don't open up because the team is a SB contender!:no:
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    I could be wrong here but I believe Sparano called plays in Dallas at one point.

    In regards to Garrett being a hot name for a vacant head coaching spot, he seems to have regressed this year. He's made some awful calls and some that are very questionable.
     
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  11. padre31

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    And it takes 3 years (supposedly) for players to become NFL pros, what coach in their right mind would risk that?

    Their problem in a nutshell is that unlike us, who could recycle some Veterans like Channing and Y Bell, they don't even have them to build around, there is no eye of newt or bat wing in Detroit.

    Garret flat turning them down is surprising, in NFL circles, the Lions must have a really bad reputation, because not even newbie Head Coaches want to start their careers there.

    Garret took the Broncos up on their offer, but unless the Lions are willing to hire a guy like Dom Capers, who has launcehd two expansion franchises, they will have to take long shot chances on Assistant Coaches, or an older NFL coach like Dan Reeves, and even then the Lions GM still thinks Greg Lloyd is in the NFL...sometimes people give out warning signals, that is one of them..
     
  12. Alex44

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    One thing any coach of the Lions has working for him is that he can't possibly do any WORSE than what has just been done. He will be given time to slowly build it up. As long as he can get a little bit better each season I think they will keep him around.
     
  13. Straz

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    I just don't see him being a very successful HC unless he gets two outstanding coordinators that do everything for him.
     
  14. Straz

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    I think the reason Garrett made so many awful calls this year is becuase he didn't have Sparano there with him.
     
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  15. Crow-Magnon

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    Thank God!

    I am very pleased that Garrett gave Baltimore the cold shoulder and we ended up with Harbaugh.
     
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  16. Straz

    Straz Me and my girl :)

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    And it takes 3 years (supposedly) for players to become NFL pros, what coach in their right mind would risk that?



    When their is a HC vacancy, usually the teams are not Super Bowl ready at all. Rebudiling usually takes time, but sometimes it does not..look at Miami this year. And look at draft picks we drafted this year and how big of a role they have. In order to have a good season you don't need all your draft picks to be completely developed.

    Their problem in a nutshell is that unlike us, who could recycle some Veterans like Channing and Y Bell, they don't even have them to build around, there is no eye of newt or bat wing in Detroit.

    Calvin Johnson, Ernie Sims, Jeff Backus, Leigh Bodden, Jason Hanson, Nick Harris, Dominic Raiola, Kevin Smith, Mike Furrey, Shaun McDonald, Dwight Smith..there are some pieces here, and some very talented young men.

    Garret flat turning them down is surprising, in NFL circles, the Lions must have a really bad reputation, because not even newbie Head Coaches want to start their careers there.


    Garret also turned down Baltimore last year. Maybe Garrett is the one with the problem.

    Bold= Padre

    Sorry I don't know how to multi quote. :wink2:
     
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  17. Straz

    Straz Me and my girl :)

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    :lol:

    I would be happy too if I was a Baltimore fan. :hi5:
     
  18. Straz

    Straz Me and my girl :)

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    Exactly, and right now in Detroit fans just want a competeive team, that maybe can win a few games here and there. No one here thinks or expects their to be a drastic turnaround here.
     
  19. Crow-Magnon

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    T.O. turned us down, too.

    Can I hear another Thank God? Hell yeah! :tongue2:
     
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  20. padre31

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  21. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    ...or he knows that he's not cut out for the job at this point and needs more time as an assistant, without Sparano helping out and calling a lot of the shots. This year, without Sparano, is showing these rumors might be correct. Bada Bing!
     
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    People forget that Sparano was not only OLine coach, but had the title of Asst Head Coach in Dallas.....at least in 2007 he did.
     
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  23. Sceeto

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    Totally brother. That's exactly the point. There's obviously some truth to these rumors, looking at the results of his first year without Sparano.
     
  24. padre31

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    He is taking the Broncos interview, perhaps Detroit is just THAT radioactive?

    And I "thought" Sparano was semi demoted when Garret was hired?
     
  25. VanDolPhan

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    What he does with the X's and O's part of the game will have little to do with being a head coach.

    As owners around the league are finally getting, a lot of the time coordinators are just that....coordinators. Head coaching is an entirely different job.

    Garrett looks to be one of those guys that will make a good head coach, but not really an x and o's coordinator type.
     
  26. keypusher

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    That's probably right. But I can't imagine being a coordinator at Dallas, with different guys demanding the ball and no one telling them to shut up.
     
  27. Straz

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    Needless to say, but keep in mind, this will be the 3rd Head Coach in 10 years, the previous 2 were well thought off until they went to the Lions.

    Very true, but a lot of that I think has to do with how poor the head of football operations, Matt Millen was. He had the final say on everything, the drafting of Charles Rodgers..etc. So I don't know if I would consider the coaches any worse than what they were thought of before they came to Detroit.

    And even in a good draft, if you have 4 or 5 solid starters out of it, you still need 8 other players, and then you will need NFL ready back ups, and there is no Parcells or Ireland in the front office to entice UDFA's or FA's to come to Detroit, nor anyone to comb through Practice Squads for talent upgrades.

    True, the Lions are not one of the franchise many players will look to go right away. However, the Atlanta Falcons had a brand new head coach in Mike Smith, the whole Mike Vick saga, and they still managed to land Micheal Turner and a few other players. If the money is right, FA will come to Detroit, and Detroit can offer basically any free agent a starting job, which some teams can't.


    I'll grant they have Wr corps and Kevin Smith, but they need a Dline, LB Corps, Secondary help, Oline help, depth help..

    The Lions WR core is very talented. Calvin Johnson is one of the best receivers in the league in my opinion. Smith is an up and coming back, and they have scatted players everywhere else. They have a solid OLB in Sims, but the need help at MLB. It's like that across the board for the Lions. Also injuries really hurt them this year.








    The Lions are simply a wreck, I'd bet our inactive players could go up to Detroit and start from Day 1..

    :lol:

    That is completely untrue. Maybe at a few positions, maybe, but not for most of the positions.
     
  28. Sceeto

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    The X's and O's coordinator type is working for us. I'll take that. =D
     
  29. Vengeful Odin

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    No where is that more evident than with Dallas's quarterback. Tony Romo appears to be little more than a paper tiger - that is to say a guy who disappears when his team needs him the most. This may sound harsh, but I think he's the most overrated quarterback in the NFL.

    That's due in part to coaching - of which Garrett is a large part of. Still, Jerry has always liked him, so when (not if) Wade gets his walking papers I expect we'll see Garrett as Dallas's head coach. I would expect Jones to move swiftly if another team (Denver, for example) makes a play to promote him to their head coach position.
     
  30. Sceeto

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    I don't who the new GM is or whom it will be, but Millen was an absolute disaster and imo, the main reason for that teams failures. It was amazing he kept that job as long as he did. He couldn't manage a convenient store. Year after year, he would hire all stock guys and no cashiers or visa-versa. =D
     
  31. alen1

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    I'm with you on this, Odin. I said Romo was overrated many weeks ago. If this guy wasn't on 'Americas Team', he wouldn't be the Tony Romo he is today. He's overrated and he's just not an efficient quarterback. He racks up the touchdowns just as much the interceptions. He has 46 interceptions in his last 39 games and add to the 12 fumbles in those 39 games, you have a total of 58 turnovers. That's an incredible amount. Reminds me of Jake Plummer. He'll take you into the playoffs and it will stop there. He'll throw the game away with red zone interceptions or just awful decisions overall.

    Absolutely agree man.
     
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  32. padre31

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    I've heard it was a semi two way street, Marinelli also had input, but the real problem is, the Lions aren't willing to alter their structure to acquire the talent to win football games.

    Jason Garret was correct in turning them down, I do think he went to far in not at least interviewing for the job, that's just flat out rude.

    A part of me really thinks Todd Bowles may take that job, maybe 35%, the guy they should hire is either Reeves or Schottenheimer, but Dan Reeves has experience in grooming young Qb's, and he's a winner...something the Lions are desperate for right now.
     
  33. Vengeful Odin

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    I don't want to hijack this into a "Romo sucks" thread, but I think that it's become clear he's not as talented as his press clippings would lead you to believe. He tries to be Brett Favre, but not the good Favre - the bad one.

    Like Romo, I think Garrett is overrated, particularly as an offensive coordinator. Part of it was due to TO-Madness in Dallas, but he really was ineffective as a playcaller at times. Roy Williams (the WR, not the overrated and washed up safety) was basically forgotten.

    Whoever gets Garrett may find themselves disappointed. In a lot of ways, he reminds me a lot of our coach from last year - Cam Cameron.
     
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    I hope not regarding Bowles. I think he's been one of the somewhat unsung heroes on our coaching staff. He really has turned our secondary from chicken s--- into chicken salad. Everywhere he's been, his secondaries are known for being very aggressive and for getting a lot of picks. I sure hope we don't lose him.
     
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    I agree, although I'm willing to say that Cameron is a better offensive mind than Garrett. Cameron is very underrated as an OC in my opinion.

    By the way, that Roy Williams deal was god-awful. They didn't need him in my opinion but I've heard in the past that Jerry Jones wasn't happy with the contract he gave to Patrick Crayton, simply because he doesn't believe that Crayton is a number two receiver in this league. Furthermore, he went on to make that deal because of two reasons in my opinion - the Crayton stuff and because Jones has always made a big deal when the attention was getting away from his team (i.e. the Aikman deal in the mid-to-late nineties) or if something was going wrong in Dallas.
     
  36. padre31

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    Same here, I'd like to see Bowles bumped up to DC if DC Pasqualoni leaves, but right now, with even Garret saying "no thanks" he is one of the few guys I've heard of actually leaving for the interview, I "think" Jim Schwartz from the Titans went up there as well.
     
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    I really hope Pat Bowlen doesn't seriously consider hiring Garret. :no:
     
  38. VanDolPhan

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    He wasn't an x's and o's guy so that kinda backs the point. He was an OL coach with SOME input into the offensive play calls.

    Not even Parcells had much luck laying down the law in Dallas with Jones there.
     
  39. Sceeto

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    You think Sparano is not an x's and o's type coach?....Ok.
     
  40. VanDolPhan

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    No, not in that pure sense. Where in his career was he a co-ordinator?

    I think he fits the latest trend of position guys who are getting heavy looks at HC jobs.
     

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