A Different Perspective: Pennington, Dolphins Loss Validates Jets Release

Ginn improved a ton this season FinSane, it takes time for some guys to really move up the level of their play.

 

So let me get this straight...

The Jets were validated for releasing Penny because of his performance in one game, and signing Favre, who had a season full of similar awful games, and was beat by Chad in every meaningful statistical category for QB, including wins??????

Hmmmm.

Methinks the author of that article thinks the Titanic was stronger than the iceberg because it took a couple of hours to stink after hitting it.

On a side note, did anyone else think this article was written by Armando at first?

 

I think there's points on both sides of the Pennington debate that are valid.

Pennington is a great leader and an intelligent QB.
He has some real weak points in his game though and that's why he's been doubted and has had some real meltdowns against top teams last game included. He's a solid but not spectacular QB. He's the best we've had since Marino but definitely not the pinnacle of talent I would hope we would have leading this team in the near future. Hopefully one of the 2 young'uns show they have that higher level of talent.

 

No one is saying he's the greatest ever. But to say the Jets were validated in releasing him because of his performance in one game is beyond stupid.

 

If Ginn had been the #1 Wr all season, he would have had much better numbers,and his adjustments to balls in the air has improved as well as using his speed to get open sooner.

About Pennington, his numbers this year were Griese like, in fact they were better then almost any season Bob had for us, the key is, where do we upgrade?

For a start, we need better Wr depth, Wilford was a millstone this season, and that really hurt us against the Ravens, DMart having his bell rung also hurt us.

 

A few things...
First this "article" was from Jets Daily, they need to validate the Jets stupidity in letting Penny go.

Second, the offensive game plan was stupid. Because of the success we had in the first game throwing downfield, Henning changed the gameplan to a a vertical passing game rather than the short passing and seam routes we ran all year.

Three of the four interceptions were not totally his fault. Could he have thrown the first one to Ginn lower? Absolutely. Should a ball pass between an NFL receiver's hands without even being touched? Absolutely not. Woulda been a great catch, but please...get a hand on it

Did Chad trip Ginn on the Reed touchdown pick? If not, then its not his fault the receiver fell down...Ginn was actually in better position to catch that then Reed was

The one at the goal line..receiver was held, mugged, molested...they shoulda bought him dinna first if they were gonna grab him like that...he was led too far cuz he was held

The one to Bess.....yeah that sucked

If those three picks are incomplete (and the one at the goal line at least shoulda been complete) Chad throws for 250 yards and 1 TD and 1 pick with 65% completions.....standard chad fare....

Chad came up small
Ronnie and Ricky came up small
Ginn came up real small... nice reverse

Do you trust Ricky Ronnie and Ted as starters?

 

To start off, I don't like the players you brought up in comparison here.
They are all elite level players despite those shortcomings. Penny is solid but his positives don't outweigh his negatives enough to put him in an elite category.

As for having to develop the "right cast" around Pennington, I hope we don't have to wait for that.

We have two young QB's waiting in the wings.
One that many within the organization think have a much higher ceiling than Pennington.

I have no problems with Pennington.
We could go far with him with the right crew as you say.
Having said that, I look forward to the day where we have a QB that is an elite level talent and can be counted on to be a strong point of the team in any situation. Hopefully Henne is that guy and I hope he develops quickly if so.

 

Every QB has weak points in his game...even Marino

Pennington has beaten teams with great defenses before and has won playoff games..in fact if the jets kicker in 2004 didn't miss 3 game winning field goals the Jets woulda gone to the AFC championship game

The jets never got a first round buy...he's always played in the wildcard game and he won 2 of the three he played in before yesterday

If the dolphs woulda stuck to their all year long game plan, they coulda won the game...Penny played bad but henning deserves some blame

 

Tri-leptol or lithium will cure all that ale's us!

 

Ginn was not in better position to catch that ball. Ginn was on the outside and Pennington's pass was a wounded duck that went inside right towards reed.

 

I knew the Chad bashing was coming...so here's a little reality check.

Obviously, your goal heading into the game was to win. How do you beat us?

First, you need to run the ball. Ronnie Brown running for 19 yards on 12 carries is utter garbage.

Secondly, you MUST beat us deep. Which is exactly what Chad tried to do multiple times throughout the game. Unfortunately, your receivers were covered like flies on poop. They needed to step up and give Chad opportunities to make plays. They failed miserably at doing that.

Third, you need to stop us from running the ball. That didn't happen either.

Fourth, you need to protect your quarterback, because our defense is relentless. Your offensive line were boys among men on Sunday.

If you can't do any of that, at the very least make sure we don't score 27 points.

Considering that all five of the above are out of Chad's control, and Miami failed miserably in every single category, you essentially put the entire team on Chad's shoulders. You said, "Here Chad, here's the ball. Go out and throw us some TD's. Oh by the way, you're going to have linebackers reaching you before the snap does, you won't have any open receivers to throw to, your running game isn't going to help you in the least, and oh yeah, the defense you're playing against is kinda good. Now, go get us 28 points!"

Just remember one thing, you'd have never had a playoff game to play if Chad wasn't there. This is a TEAM sport, where 11 guys on each side of the ball make plays together. Chad is the only guy who impressed me on Sunday.

Just my thoughts, take it for what it's worth. Just take these things into consideration before you crucify the player that did more for your team than anyone else.

 

I appreciate fans of other teams coming here to talk football when were playing there team. That said I do have a problem with a fan of another team coming here to tell us what we should value about our team in a mocking manner.

First off, you won't find a lot of Penny "bashing" here.
We all knew Penny's shortcomings when he came in and many are just highlighting how some of those shortcomings reared their ugly head in this game.

Secondly, no one here nor any of the site writers wrote the article cited here.
In fact it wasn't even a Miami newspaper who wroteit. It was a NY article. You should probably check that type of stuff out before coming onto another teams boards and falsely accusing them of bashing.

Thirdly, we certainly don't need a Raven fan to come by and tell us what Pennington's presence did for this team this year. Were all well aware of it.

Thanks for stopping by.

 

His conditioning blows IMO. Meaning, has this guy ever even seen a weight room?

I know he did look like he put on a little mass earlier this year, but Sunday he looked straight up anorexic.

I could see if he was still our primary return man and didn't want to sacrifice any speed. But for gods sake, how are you expecting to win battles with guys that our a lot taller than you and weigh probably 30-40lbs more in most cases?

I hope someone bought the Ginn family a dumbell for Christmas.

 

There was nothing mocking about what I said. I'm relaying what I saw with my own eyes; but if you want me to sugarcoat it for you next time, I'll keep that in mind.
I realize it was an article that was written; I was responding to the posts thereafter.
And apparently I do need to remind some of you guys what Pennington means to your team. Read through this entire thread; you'll see.

 

No problem, I'll be sure to stop by the crows board to mock any discussions you have analyzing a player that has some aspects of his game that concern you in the future. I'll be sure to add a weak verbal parity as an attempt to belittle those concerns you have as well. I'll also ignore that an article posted on your forum bashing one of your players wasn't even written by a Ravens fan or a newspaper in the Baltimore area at all and proceed to tell your members how idiotic they are anyway.

Again, we don't need you to tell us what to value on our team and again, thanks for stopping by.

 

That article making that link was written as by a Jet fan in a Jet fans perspective.

I understand why the Jets decided to let Pennington go to take a gamble on a player like Favre. That said, they had to know, with his age and his toying with retirement that it could backfire big time on them...... and it did!

They are feeling the need to justify the outcome in that article.

 

Ginn was not in better position to catch that ball. Ginn was on the outside and Pennington's pass was a wounded duck that went inside right towards reed

Sorry...I've seen three replays other than the one they showed in the game...if Ginn stays up he has much better position than reed..at least a good receiver would have

 

unless ginn takes reed and throws him to the ground before the ball gets there, there's no way ginn would have ever been able to make a play on that ball. It needed to be deeper and to his outside shoulder. it was short, weak, and way inside.

Ginn tripping just kind of bailed Pennington out more than anything. Still, the actual throw isn't what bothered me. it was the decision to make the throw that did.

 

Chad isn't a bad QB, I think he is a good one...not GREAT but good, with a few more pieces the Phins could be back to the playoffs next year. He was under HUGE amounts of pressure the whole game. The only time she showed composure is when Baltimore went with a 3 man front. I just don't see the Phins as division winnner next year, Brady will be back.

 

You never know, we could see a surprising roster shake up this year H8R, most of our key starters RT,Cb,Safety,LB were Nick Saban's guys.

Basically they were the same guys we went 1-15 with two years ago.

As for the Pats...you just never know with those guys, will anyone be foolish enough to pay the two #1 picks for Matt Cassel? Is Brady's knee recovering?

and their D is sort of old.

 

This IS a knee jerk reaction. A Jests writer tries to justify releasing Pennington from the Jests by pointing out the we lost to Baltimore's defense Sunday, and some of us are ready to jump ship because of one game.. ridiculous.

The team lost because of an ineffective line. No quarterback can throw effectively on the run for his life, having to backpedal to gain space, and not having enough time go see all of the field. It also seems to me that most of the time the team was sending 3 or four men out into five, six, or even seven covering because the offensive line was abysmally overmatched Sunday. Granted, the line was starting a season pick-up free agent at left guard, and an ineffective second stringer at right guard, and Carey looked like he was a hog on ice on several plays, but they, as a unit, did not cut it. If the line can't pass block, the QB cannot pass effectively. Against an excellent defense, this line did not protect Pennington, as a result the team lost.

If you would take a look at the Jests the past several years, I think you would see a similar pattern. My suggestion is that the writer of this article, and some who are climbing on the "Pennington can't win the Big One" bandwagon need to take a few deep breaths, and look at more than the surface circumstances to make an informed comment. I would think that we would find a lot of similarity between Pennington's similar performances with the Jests personnel and Sunday's performance with our personnel on hand. No quarterback can win, or lose the game by himself. There are ten other men out there, and Sunday after Sunday in New York, those ten other men were simply overmatched, just as the Dolphins ten other men were this last Sunday.

 

Don't think the post was doing anything but pointing out what we all know, nor did I find it mocking. It was the unfortunate bucket of ice cold water we all need to understand that no matter how far we came, we have a lot farther go to.

 

Thank you. This is one of the more dispassionate, and coldly accurate analyses of the situation Sunday I have seen. Those putting the loss solely on Pennington's shoulders are abysmally incorrect. The team lost Sunday for precisely the reasons you posted.

 

I had pondered starting a thread like this Sunday, but decided I would wait until most had let it sink in. The facts are, the WHOLE loss can not be put on Pennys shoulders. BUT...............this is his history. He has a good year, then a bad year, and so on. HE is a very good REGULAR season QB, but, to put it a different way, things have NEVER worked out for him in the playoffs. This thread is full of excuses. i.e.........he was playing against one of the best defenses in the league............. well, thats what happens when you get to the playoffs. You play the best of the league. I was TOTALLY on board with bringing him here. I have always respected him as a player AND a person, and he has done nothing to change that. BUT, again, I thought I knew what we were getting when we signed him. A QB that plays GREAT during the reg, season, but one that also struggles when the playoffs get here. That is what he has done his whole career, in some manner. I was not going to get my feathers ruffles Sunday, BEFORE THE GAME, if we lost because, I was pretty much expecting what actually happened. It is what it is. Penny was what we needed this year, in one train of thought, but if you are looking at the LONG TERM...........I still wish we would have given Henne some playing time.......somehow. RIght now...........ATL. and Balt are a year ahead of us in developing a young QB. We lost a year, BUT again........we had a great year from where we came from. I am already expecting us to take a small step back next year. Maybe that is just preparing myself because of what we have gone through the last few years. I would rather be pleasantly surprised, than expecting the Super Bowl, and not even making the playoffs. Everyone deals with this part, the way that works best for them.

One of the best things I will take out of this year is the FACT that.......................the cheaters wont win it all THIS YEAR..........and that was because of OUR TEAM. Thanks Chad P. for the great year. One step at a time.

 

you needed him to do well against the jets and he did just that......................................

Now if you want to make it an issue of winning just playoff games then you have I believe a 4-6 record of losses to total games played. Having said that though that is just a quick look and not me looking in depth at how he actually played in those games.

 

you can blame chad all you want, but one must understand this: IF you want a QB to be the primary reason you win a Superbowl, then don't get Chad. You can build a team around him that is capable of winning. You can Have Dan Marino and not give him any support. There are many factors involved. DID Baltimore ask Trent Dilfer to go win it for them? Just know what you have and build around it

 

he wasnt amazing in the jet game...he did enough to win tho....


then with the glarring lights in his face, playoff atmosphere....he almost matches his 16 game total of interceptions in 1 game.....jesus christ...i mean, if thats not folding under pressure i dunno what is bro....

 

One bad game against an unbelievable defense and some of you are right back to Chad bashing. The same ones who were the first to groan over the Pennington signing. You think you have to eat less crow now because he had a bad game in the playoffs against one of most relentless defenses I have ever seen? He still won us the AFC East. He never quit in that game despite the line failing to protect him properly. Sure he deserves a big share of the blame. But even the greatest of QBs will struggle with that kind of pressure.

Does this mean all the Pennington haters will be out of the woodwork for the entire offseason? One bad game negates an entire season of great QB play and proves Chad can't make big plays? The Jets fans must be having a hearty laugh at how quickly some of you have turned. Can't help but notice that the Chad bashing is being done by some of the same folks (who will remain nameless) who have been dead wrong on just about every QB situation concerning our team the past couple years. Brady Quinn, Matt Ryan, John Beck, the Chad Henne drafting etc. etc. If Miami keeps ignoring your outlooks on QBs, we ought to do well.

 

thats all i am doing, im not wearing aqua glasses, the dude deserves blame...he played ****ing terrible sunday....

ummm who says we wouldnt be good with those guys? we will never know....so how could people be "wrong" for wanting them??

 

he might have but point is trying to use that as evidence he does it consistently is just wrong. He has won in a playoff game before, he has also lost..............

 

I don't think people were wrong for wanting them. In fact, I think the opposite. Ok, it was wrong for me to place a blanket opinion on a group of posters. I'm sure not all of you who are unhappy with Chad or about his big play capability or whatever you want to call it, had all the opinions I referenced in my post. I'm just frustrated that we can't be happy with a guy who played his heart out this season.

 

Excellent post and sadly very true.

 

i love chad, and what he did for us....i was just venting at his play on sunday

 

I'm pretty sure that's all that anyone that's being labled a "hater" here are saying. Since you just confirmed that I guess we should welcome you aboard the falsely accused club?

Absolutely, correct. I don't get how this turned into what it has.
I see one person..... one who questioned his confidence in Penny as a stater.
The rest of us have simply been analyzing how some of his weaknesses caught up to us in one game along with a number of other weaknesses the team has that caught up with us as well.

I am also amazed that all these posters from our board are post thanking a Raven fan who made a post ripping the stupidity of our fans based on an article and viewpoint written by a Jet fan/writer. Absurd. That Raven fan can either learn to read or go troll another board.

 

First of all, we welcome rival fans and their POV, even if it isn't what we want to hear.....as long as it's civil. I don't see anything rude or insulting in what he wrote, quite frankly it was a dead on assessment IMO of what went wrong on Sunday. It may sting a little bit hearing it from an opposing fan, but that doesn't make the content any less valid or damaging.

 

If you go way back in my post history you'll rarely find me being rude to an opposing teams posters. When they come here to stir it up or make ignorant posts I won't hesitate to call them out on it though. I'm not trying to start problems but I didn't appreciate the post bottom line.

Again, He made a point ripping our fans based on an article that was written by a NY writer coming from a NY fan perspective. That's idiotic since if you go back into this thread you'll see that one lone person actually questions whether Pennington is a starting caliber QB.

He also stated Pennington was the only player that played well in the game. I think we've pretty much all come to an agreement that Penny has his share of the blame in playing poorly during the game as well.

On all counts his rant was uncalled for IMO.

On another note, I didn't noticed you had listed your sec. and seat till after the game.
Too bad, I would have stopped by.

 

Well if Chad's performance in the WC game proved that the Jets were correct about releasing him, then what does it say about their choice to trade for Favre?

Listen, Chad had a bad game against THE BEST defense we faced all season long. It wasn't a failure whatsoever, but a real world gauge as to how much further we have to go before we are really true contenders.

Chad was the EXACT QB we needed this season, a proven leader, who can take control of the offense and run it effectively. He came into a team that he normally faced twice a year, put that all behind him and correctly took on the mantel of leader.

Is Chad a "perfect" QB? No, he has short comings, specifically in the long ball. but even that, I don't believe was the biggest factor in our inability to go deep consistently. Long pass plays, as do all, start with the Oline. This year was the first we really did something meaningful to build an NFL level Oline, starting with Jake of course. A rookie who played much better then a rookie. We lost our starting LG and when rebuilding a team, depth is probably one of the last things that can be addressed.

Moreover, Ted Ginn as our #1 WR at this time is a joke. Not that I don't think he has the ability to be one, one day. But he is still learning and doing so when facing either the top CB of our opponent or being double teamed. Next year, I would would EXPECT major strides in his game.

We have a very young, talented, yet inexperienced WR corp with Ginn, Bess (Love this kid) and Greg. They need time as well as a true veteran #1 WR to help bring them along, to teach them the finer points of being top flight WRs in this league. All three have the potential of being VERY good WRs. I am hoping we have a shot at TJ who is an UFA from Cinci. I am sure he would want out of there and would recognize what is going on in Miami, wanting to be a part (big part) of it.