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Irelands Draft Concerns

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by anlgp, Dec 13, 2008.

  1. Boomer

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    If the guy they like is there, then yes. If they are worried about Satele, then yes. If Thomas struggles to come back then yes, if they're worried about depth and they love a guy, then yes and if Carey goes then yes. So yes.

    ;)
     
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  2. Jaj

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    That looks to be the popular pick with Sintim out of range. I can only hope that they acquire someone else with the cash that was destined for Carey. I hate signing good but not great players to 6m-7m a year deals so that puts me against Carey to some degree.

    We'll see though what they do. It'll be interesting to be sure.

    Oh and as far as the nose tackle position goes I think Paul Soliai is finally starting to put it together so the addition they make in free agency or the draft may not be staggering unless they fall in love with Cody.

    Point being I don't think they'll sit back and say they're protecting the cap.
     
  3. Big Red

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    The way I understood it those weren't just concerns for 2008. Ireland seemed to be saying he considers those six positions to be core positions that every team needs to be successful.

    Last offseason we added a left tackle, nose tackle, two pressure players, and two quarterbacks. That means CB and WR haven't been addressed at all. There are other factors that come into play of course but it is something to keep in mind as we could all be in for a big surprise on draft day if the Dolphins select Hakeem Nicks or Darius Butler in the 1st round.

    BTW, I would love it if we drafted Max Unger in the 1st round. That would do wonders for our running attack. Hughes and Suh would be great too. Have either of them declared yet?
     
  4. anlgp

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    This is the way I took it as well.
     
  5. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Why would the Cards just let him walk and not Franchise him?
     
  6. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Seems like Ireland had to talk Bill into the wisdom of taking Ware first and then come back with Spears on the later pick. It's ironic though that their best DE was Canty whom they took in the 4th.
     
  7. Kanye West

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    We need to get an OLB. With out pressure a quarterback can have all day to throw to there widereciver who would eventually get open. Nt or OLB for our first pick.
     
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  8. padre31

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    Exactly, good cover corners can make mediocre pass rushers better by limiting the Qb's options, it is a two way street.
     
  9. Boomer

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    Glad you are. Knew you would be. Of course, Jeff could surprise us all and take someone like Moore. I know he won't be taking Taylor Mays. Did you see the stat sheet on him? 1 pick, no TFL, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, something like that. I didn't know his impact play numbers were down so. When you consider what Burnett and Berry are doing as pure sophomores, that's a pretty damning indictment on May's ability to change games. Or not.

    I agree on the three new names for the secondary. I wonder whether they go after a guy like OJ Otogwe, who has decent ball skills. I just can't see us going for an aggressive run playing FS over someone who can make plays when the ball's in the air. Which is why I still think Rashad Johnson is a strong possibility.

    Any pursuit of Suh, if he declares, really wouldn't surprise me. This is a guy who can become a pure NT in time, but doesn't have to automatically, especially with Ferguson, Soliai and Randy Starks. I suppose the same could be said for Tyson Jackson if they think he has the frame to add weight. Jay Ratliff is the cliche when we discuss this sort of thing but the proof is in the pudding. Certainly Suh has the strength to hold up in there. This is a very, very good football player. You draft Suh and Johnson at 26 and 44 and you have two very good ball players straight off the bat.

    I think Dansby would be a very good signing. Frankly, he's a better player than Pace and they rode him very hard last year. He's gone from outside back in, but they line him up all over on obvious passing downs because he's quick enough off the edge to cause problems.
     
  10. Boomer

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    I just don't know whether, given Bill's history and with him still being integral to that front office, knowing that he's only ever drafted ONE CB out of choice in round 1 and that was Terry Kinard back when football was still played in black and white and with leather helmets, that taking a CB and a wideout with the first pick is where they'll go. This is a very strong draft for 2nd level corners. It's also not a bad draft for wideouts in the middle portion. When the two most productive wideouts are two street free agents, then it only adds to the debate. Now, are Camarillo and Bess Marshall and Royal? No of course not. But I know for as close as an educated factual guess could be that a redshirt sophomore like Maclin WILL NOT be a Dolphin. I don't think - good as he is - that Harvin will either. If they take someone, it'll be someone with polish like Iglesias or Nicks. This team isn't in a position to pick risks. Long was a safe pick. Merling was a top 12-15 pick who fell. Safe pick. Henne was as safe a pick as you could get with a QB who was a 4 year starter at one of the best institutions in the land. Langford was a star at Hampton and was very highly regarded by a lot of people. Hampton or not, that wasn't a risky pick. Donald Thomas wasn't a risky pick, especially if you'd been across his All Star practices dominations.

    As for Hughes and Suh, the wait continues. But I bet they both go back to school.
     
  11. Boomer

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    Parcells wanted Merriman and Spears if I remember rightly.
     
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    Canty was a first round grade before he blew out his knee and injured his eye I believe.
     
  13. anlgp

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    reading "the draft" i see...
     
  14. rtl1334

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    Kurt Warner too is a free agent and if they do not have confidence in Leinart they are almost inclined to franchise Warner.
     
  15. MrClean

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    I don't expect they would use the franchise tag on Warner unless he leads them to at least the NFC title game. I can't recall a team ever using the tag on a QB as old as Kurt. More or less to keep your young talent from getting away is how I would except most teams to use the tag.
     
  16. Boomer

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    They might not franchise him because they can't afford it; they have Leinart being paid top 10 money, I think they'll keep Kurt for a year or 2 and he needs to be paid. Darnell Docket and Adrian Wilson are free agents next year, Larry Fitz has that monster contract and there's still the elephant in the room that is Anquan Boldin and his contract situation.
     
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  17. creasy

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    Do they franchise Boldin?
     
  18. RoninFin4

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    Dockett is locked up through 2011

    http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_previousnews.aspx?sport=Nfl&id=2800

    Even so, they've still gotta deal with Boldin, Wilson, Dansby and Warner. Someone(s) not coming back.
     
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  19. PENNSYLVANIADOLPHAN

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    I don't think Anquan Boldin is a Free Agent.
     
  20. Boomer

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    Boldin ISN'T a FA but he's demanding a new deal.
     
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    As much as I like Harvin, Nicks seems like a better fit for this team now. Interesting note on Harvin during the game- dude benches 405 lbs.
     
  22. Boomer

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    He's a very good player.
     
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    If I remember correctly he has stated he wants to be a Dolphin, correct?
     
  24. djphinfan

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    Gosh he would be the perfect fit for this team..we get him we focus strictly on defense in the draft...except for oline
     
  25. texanphinatic

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    Dont they have another fairly big name hitting FA from the DL this year? Berry maybe?

    Whatever, they dont have the money to pay them all and I hope Miami goes after whoever the odd man (men) out are, some really good players there. Dansby or Wilson would be forces on this D and Boldin would be a massive upgrade on offense.
     
  26. Stitches

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    I believe Darnell Dockett is soon to be a FA, but you may be right about Berry too.

    I know Dansby would be a big signing, and Wilson was slated to become a FA soon but not this year.

    Boldin still has 3 years left on his contract. Based on what Roy Williams went for, a better WR (at least more productive) should go for at least a 1st round pick. I can't see us parting with a 1st.
     
  27. UCF FINatic

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    Just from what I have noticed, it seems that the closer the draft is the higher each pick is valued in terms of trading for another player. I could see him being traded for a 2nd round pick possibly packaged with a later round pick.

    If I was Arizona's Front Office, I would take todays game as an indication that they could live without Boldin. If they trade Boldin this off-season, it might free up enough cap space to re-sign Karlos Dansby and keep that defense together.
     
  28. Finole

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    After watching the playoff game today I really hope we sign Dansby as a free agent.
     
  29. slickj101

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    Man I think I'm getting way too excited about us possibly landing Dansby. I think the biggest battle will be him getting into FA to begin with. At this point, he seems too good a player for Arizona to let go.
     
  30. Vendigo

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    Sorry mate but the chances of getting Boldin for a Jason Taylor value are slim to none. There's absolutely no way they are going to accept anything less than a 1st round pick. Nobody in their right mind would. Good luck finding a guy like Boldin with a 1st round selection, let alone a 2nd round pick.
     
  31. Big Red

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    I don't think that is where they'll go either but based on Ireland's comments I don't think we can rule it out as a possibility. Given Parcells' history it's very likely that the Dolphins draft a linebacker in the first round. However, I think it's a trap to think that's a certainty. I would think Max Unger and B.J. Raji are very strong possibilities.
     
  32. padre31

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    IMO, the fact that even us hardcore fans have no idea what the FO will do is a sign we have Professionals Running the place.

    That said, Tuna had never taken a Tackle with #1 pick, let alone with the #1 in the Draft, with that in mind, we could be looking at Need taking precedence over History, they aren't messing around, they will take their Need position that best fits their philosophy, if a CB or even a S who fits our need is there at #25, that is who we will draft.

    We're still weak up the middle, that will be addressed.
     
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  33. jim1

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    I could see us taking William Moore at #25, but personally I could see Unger, who would solve a LOT of problems, and maybe Mack. They have a name for what our Dolphins interior O-line was this year- achilles heel.
     

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