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Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by Boomer, Dec 13, 2008.

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  1. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Yeah, kind of funny how Gholston worked out, isn't it. A lot of pro scouts and amateurs are probably still wiping egg off their faces on that one- you know, know-it-alls who were convinced that Gholston would just kill people at OLB and easily convert from DE, that Jake Long was surely not worth the 1st overall pick because he had major question marks at LT. Real experts, these people.

    You know, that whole Jake Long kickslide issue is kind of interesting. As it turned out, by golly, with a little pro coaching he and his kickslide did just fine. Gee, I wonder if pro coaches can straighten out Tebow's footwork, hmmm.
     
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  2. GRT8

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    ah, thats college for ya. no big deal
     
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  3. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    .....
     
  4. GRT8

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    read the damn article. he has surgery. he was born deaf in both ears and now has slight hearing in one ear after 6 surgeries. Damn, people. Boomer is educating you guys and all everyone can do is criticize him and doubt him. Yeeeeesh
     
  5. Stitches

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    We were? :confused2:
     
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  6. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    we thought he was good stuff
     
  7. GRT8

    GRT8 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Ummmm. I don't honestly know what you see or what responsibility he has on the play in question. He is exceptional at read and recognition. IT IS HIS STRENGTH. He reacts quickly and jumps plays....he is young. The intelligence is there. He can dominate a game by himself. He is coachable. Dont get caught up in the read and react downside, as in his scheme he is free to roam and be disruptive. No one expects him to be a finished player at this point, but the scouts will look at his ability to learn. He is a smart player.
     
  8. padre31

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    Rey Maluaga?

    He is a physical specimen, but, and it is a huge but, the guys who can fly around the field, but have no idea where they are going have a tremendous bust factor.

    And in my experience of armchair scouting..:lol:...they also tend to not pick up the nuances of the game, a guy who chooses the wrong gap in College tends to do the same thing in the NFL.
     
  9. padre31

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    Finsane, there is no way that any Dolphin fan worth their salt is going to defend Vern Gholston...notgonnahappen...:no:
     
  10. GRT8

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    i am scouting him, met him and dont know what u are talking about.

    Here is tidbit from ESPN. I don't have time to discuss. but if you get a chance to draft him before we do... don't...leave him for us.
    Inside Linebacker specific Traits
    Instincts/Recognition 1 Shows natural instincts. Reads keys extremely well and finds the football quickly. Recognizes play action and reacts well.
    Pursuit/Point of Attack 1 Down-hill aggressive thumper. Does a nice job of controlling and shedding blockers. Opens hips extremely well and changes directions instantly. Shows excellent overall range. At times, gets caught out of position due to aggressive approach
    Tackling 2 A knock-out artist. Will violently explode through ball carriers when given the opportunity. Has a tendency to miss some easy tackles due to leaving feet in an effort to deliver the big hit
    Pass Coverage 2 Does a good job of looking up shallow crossers and disrupting their routes. Is able to sniff out and react to screens extremely well.
    Pass Rusher 2 Relentless and times stunts well. Displays adequate lower body strength and flashes the ability to collapse the pocket. Shows good closing speed.
     
  11. Stitches

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    I never did.
     
  12. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    alot of people thought Gholston was worth the #1 overall. Im glad Maj doesnt work in the front office :lol:
     
  13. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    i didnt either, but alot of people on here wanted us to grab a pass rusher and Gholston was considered everyones fav choice behind the Longs for the 1st overall
     
  14. padre31

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    Now there is a dilemma, what am I going to believe, ESPN or my lying eyes?
     
  15. jim1

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    The statement was that Barwin is competley deaf now. Work on your own reading comprehension, pal.
     
  16. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Thanks GRT8. I appreciate the input. I had a different impression from watching him play but since you're the guy getting paid for this, I will happily defer to your analysis.
     
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    the most educated one. i can see your concern, but understand there is a learning factor, coachable factor and at this point all the negatives points are over emphasized. He does play "wild" from time to time, but he is asked to also....trust me on this. He knows his responsibilities.
    I appreciate your take
     
  18. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Same here. Thank you GRT8.
     
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    alen1 New Member

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    That's interesting.

    Thanks again. Heard great things about you so I'm very happy to see you have some spare time here.
     
  20. GRT8

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    Jim, this forum i visit is to educate and share opinions. The mature thing to do is read people's opinions and add valuable content. I haven't seen any from you Jim. You may want to evaluate your reason for being here. Is it to add intelligent content or argue and show childish behavior.
     
  21. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    http://www.mytimesdispatch.com/inde..._cincinnati_defensive_end_connor_barwin/6418/

    Looking at the clip, I would agree, because Barwin is often not looking at this teammate when the latter is talking. His mannerisms don't seem typical of one who has any amount of deafness, but apparently he just adapted really well.
     
  22. padre31

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    Initial instincts are hard to overcome GRT8, I think he is a superior athlete, but he is playing on D that is loaded with NFL players, that covers many of his mistakes.
     
  23. GRT8

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    ha. You won't be alone on this one. There will be many people on your side on this point
     
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  24. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Since we're already talking MLBs ... can you say a thing or two about James Laurinaitis? I would really appreciate it.
     
  25. padre31

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    I doubt he would last until #26 anyway.

    That late and you tend to end up with Olinemen, CB's and lower tiered Lb's.
     
  26. GRT8

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    and he knows this. that is why its also easy to see why he makes plays. As a Miami fan you can view him as a Zach Thomas in the film room, a person who tries to make plays through instinct, sheds blocks well( huge factor for ILB ) Ray Lewis takes bad angles sometimes trying to make plays, no one is perfect......but this kids close! Are Ray's( Lewis ) faults covered by other talented players? Ask other college coaches and players who they fear the most.....its MR. college Rey
     
  27. MrClean

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    That's the bottom line. If he works out well especially, Rey won't be around when we pick, which is ok, because maybe Brandon Spikes will be and I'd rather have him for ILB in our D, or eventually even Sam for that matter.
     
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    A top prospect at his position, smart and good in coverage. Against the run he is not as good as the elite. I think he missed a year, I would have to check my notes later. He bulked up a little. He is what I call a scheme player without a huge upside, Smart, good technique and solid tackler. He is someone to keep an eye on.
     
  29. padre31

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    Lewis became a better ILB when he lost a step and had to read and react better.

    And did Rey M have to stack and stuff very often at USC? He looked like he was free to fly around the field more then the typical ILB is allowed to.
     
  30. Vendigo

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    Thanks a lot. I know a lot of the people on the board (or around the net, for that matter) aren't particularly high on him but he has always struck me as a Parcells guy. Not necessarily the biggest upside but top-intangibles, pretty productive and very coachable. The kind of "overachieving" son in law that Parcells seems to like, so to speak.
     
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  31. GRT8

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    well, there is a difference in opinion here. I think Ray lewis is surrounded with so much talent, he is often untouched. He is smart and puts himself in good position. Maybe, he has lost half a step LOL. He is a physical specimen, just a REY. Wow, stack.....good stuff.

    USC has stuck primarily to a one gap scheme with players lined up in the 5 technique, 1 technique, 3 technique, and 5 technique spots on base downs perhaps 50% of the time. They are a complicated defense and that is another reason why Rey gets the nod.
     
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    thanks guys. I am out. I'll check back from time to time. Love my Fin Fans.
     
  33. padre31

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    Nice chatting with you! :hi5:

    for the love of Pete...NO BRANDON SPIKES...Channing Jr...
     
  34. alen1

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    Thank you sir.
     
  35. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I was kind of thinking he is similar to Paul Posluszny in that he is a highly hyped college LB who then drops further in the draft than his college press clipping may lead most fans to expect, but ends up being a solid though not spectacular pro LB. Last year if he would have come out, a lot of people were saying he is a top ten guy, but my guess now is he will be somewhere between 25th and 50th this year, until we see how well he works out at the combine. We know that does elevate or drop guys, right or wrong.
     
  36. padre31

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    For those interested, "stack and stuff" is Linebacker speak for Stacking the Guard or Center at the line of scrimmage, then Stuffing the Running Back in the hole.


    Very few "modern" ILB's do that anymore, they mostly try to use quickness to run around the Olinemen, the last ILB who was good at it was Levon Kirkland, that sort of ILB was a staple of Parcell's Giants teams, Pepper Johnson was the master at it for Tuna during his Super Bowl runs.


    It is my opinion that Matt Roth was born to play that role for us.
     
  37. padre31

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    Dan Conner Jr.
     
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  38. MrClean

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    IMO, the only similarities there are same position and same school. Spikes is much more instinctive, a natural football player. The best comparison I've seen, IMO, is Spikes is a more athletic version of Bryan Cox. We all know Cox was highly instinctive and masked a lot of physical and athletic deficiencies with his effort and instincts.
     
  39. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Another good comparison. How has Connor done this year? I don't recall hearing name at all.

    Just checked. On IR for the Panthers
     
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  40. Stitches

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    Connor only played in the first 3 games, and finished with 4 tackles.
    He tore his ACL in week 3.


    Sean Lee is the MLB to watch from PSU next year.
     

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