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My opinion on Ted Ginn

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  1. Straz

    Straz Me and my girl :)

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    I was sitting in my room, suppose to be studying for my exams tomorrow, I have to take my Government and Algebra II exams tomorrow :pity: when I started to think about the Dolphins off-season.

    Now, I like many of you, think the Dolphins need to get a legit #1 wide receiver in this offense. If you don't think that, I would like you to post why you think our wide receiving core is just fine the way it is.

    Now, I think that Ted Ginn's job in Miami might be in jeopardy. I think he'll still remain a Dolphin, don't get me wrong, but I think he might be seeing the field less and less this year. If we acquire a #1 receiver, let's say Anquan Boldin (just speculation) Bolin (or the other #1 WR we get) would obviously be the #1 traget in this offensive passing game. I would think that we would have Camarillo as our #2 becuase he was having a great year up until his injury, and I believe that Bess is by far the best slot wide reciever on this team, and one of the best in the league.

    So where does Ted Ginn come into the offense? Besides an occasional reverse or trick play, I wouldn't want Ginn out there over Camrillo, Bess, and the #1 we acquire if we do get one.

    Thoughts? :knucks:
     
  2. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Your time and effort would be better served focusing on your upcoming exams!
     
  3. anlgp

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    It's not that I don't think we need a true #1 (or one of the guys to step up to that level) it's that I feel that there are more important positions we could improve on.
     
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  4. Stitches

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    How is his job in jeopardy before there is even a WR acquired?

    I highly doubt we get Boldin since he is not a FA, and where exactly will this instant #1 WR come from?. Rarely does a rookie WR come in and be the #1 as a rookie.

    I also can't understand why you would not want Ginn out there instead of Cam. Especially considering Cam is coming off an injury which takes most players a year or more to come back from 100%.
     
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  5. Straz

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    I think wide reciever is a big position we need to get though. I mean without a true #1 this offense won't be able to comeback on anyone. I just don't think Ginn can be depended on week in and week out again next season.
     
  6. cnc66

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    Go study Straz.. we'll talk about Ted when you get done.
     
  7. Stitches

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    Funny since there were multiple drives last year where we were trailing and had to score in order to take the lead, and guess what?




    We did just that.
     
  8. Straz

    Straz Me and my girl :)

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    I said in my post IF we get a #1 WR..then that MIGHT make his job in jeopardy. If we don't get a #1 WR then we won't have a change in our linup. What I said was my opinion, and total speculation.

    I role played with Boldin...I put in () that it might be a different WR man. :pity:

    I said if Camarillo is back I would rather have him there over Ginn, becuase what Camarillo brings to the table is more than Ginn can bring.
     
  9. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Straz, focus on your books.....focus on your GF, but TG and his role on this team, sorry, that should be way, way down the list!
     
  10. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    How do you figure that? :confused1:
     
  11. Straz

    Straz Me and my girl :)

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    Very true, I should have re-worded that differently. I guess what I mean by that is this: if we need a WR to make a big play, Ginn isn't the guy I want attempting to make that play. If we need to comeback from a fairly good about of points, then I think that I would rather have Camarillo, Bess, and a new #1 target rather than Ginn.
     
  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I am one of the few who doesn't believe in the idea of "a legit #1" wide reciever. I have this weird idea that football is a team sport and if you find people who fit the system that is more important than finding a "#1" guy or a "true" something or even a "dominate" something else. I believe those are mostly catch phrases fans use.

    What I saw last year was a passing offense that worked. Pennington became a qb who only Dan Marino threw more passing yards as a Dolphin.

    Not to say that I do not want to see Miami upgrade the offense. I would like a more bigger man who can be used in goal line and short yardage and/or can also be someone who strikes a little fear in the opposing defense. Either they can bring in a new guy or hope against hope and wish against wish that London becomes that guy. He showed some flashes last year.

    Still if they can get an amazing game changer type reciever that people call, "Legit #1", I would be down for it.

    I would still want Ginn to play opposite of him most of the time due to the fact Ginn demands attention. Last year Ginn proved to be a deep threat who openned up the middle of the field. Safties had to worry about him and stacking the box was less of a good idea due to the fact he can catch good enough and has enough speed to make a defense pay. Defenses HATE giving up 30 yard plays. Ginn can provide such a thing. So it is my belief that if a better wide reciever is added to Miami's offense then the offense would be more explosive with Ginn.

    The beauty though is that Miami would have a legitimate 3 wide reciever combo if they had Ginn, Bess/Camarillo and third good wide reciever.
     
  13. Stitches

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    IF we get Demarcus Ware then that MIGHT make Joey Porter's job in jeopardy. So what?

    Yea, you put Boldin in ( ), what other WR's come to your mind though that are going to come right in for us an be #1's that we actually have a chance of acquiring?
     
  14. Straz

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    Ginn has games where he exploades, like against Buffalo here in Miami this season, he just went off. And then there are games where I just wonder..what is he doing?

    Camarillo is a consistant target. He rarely drops a ball, and he has so much hustle. Like during the Texans game when Pennington threw the INT late in the game and Camarillo forced the fumble to give our team a chance to win. Ginn can't do that. I like Ginn, but I don't think he is as good as Camarillo.
     
  15. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I wouldn't. I would want Ginn in there because Camarillo and Bess isn't going to scare teams with their deep play ability.
     
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  16. Stitches

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    Running is routes?

    He can't "do anything" if the ball doesn't go his way.


    Cam was a consistent target because he ran the "safe" routes.

    How many drops did Cam have on the year? How about Ginn?


    Care to tell me how Ginn is incapable of forcing a fumble?
     
  17. Straz

    Straz Me and my girl :)

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    This was just me specualting. See some poeple on this site I have seen have stated that they think we should aquire a real #1 WR. I don't think we really need to get another very talented OLB becuase Porter and Roth are fine. At WR we don't have the same type of talent.

    Amani Toomer, T.J. Houshmanzadah, Anquan Boldin he already has had promblems with this organization in the past..and who knows who else will be available come FA.
     
  18. Nappy Roots

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    Problem is, YOU might not want Ginn out there over Cam, and Bess, but he would be for many reasons.

    Yes Cam was great up until his injury, but even Cam himself said Ginn drawing so much attention from the defense helped him get one on one allowing him to get more catches.

    Do i think Ginn is a legit #1 WR as of today? no. do i think he can become one? absolutely. Do i think we have to go out this offseason and grab a legit #1? no. wouldnt mind it, but our WR corp as whole is good. we dont have Arizonas WR Corp, no. but ours is still pretty good. plus to go along with 2 pretty good recieving TEs and 3 RBs that are pretty good out of the backfield, catching the football is not a problem.
     
  19. Straz

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    I can't tell you that stats becuase I don't know them off the top of my head and I really don't want to look them up.

    Well I think Ginn doesn't have the instinct that Camarillo has.

    Like in our playoff game against Baltimore when Pennington threw that deep pass to Ginn that Reed ended up returning for a touchdown, sure it was a bad pass by Pennington, but Ginn fell down, on his own just tripped over himself, and didn't even get a chance to make the play again. He just sin;t as good as Camrillo.
     
  20. Straz

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    Bess is a great slot wide recieverm unlike Ginn.
     
  21. Stitches

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    Toomer is not a #1.

    TJ might get franchised.

    Boldin is not a FA.

    The #1's like you are talking about typically don't hit FA for nothing.
     
  22. Straz

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    :lol:

    I have been studying all day, and I even hit up the gym today bro.

    And me and the girl are in a pretty big fight right now, that's why I was thinking about Ginn. :pity:
     
  23. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    #1 they would never attempt that pass with Cam because there is no WAY he can get deep on Ed Reed.

    #2 he was running full speed and the ball was thrown 5 yards inside. There is no reciever who would of been able to make a playon that ball, even Fitz. Maybe he could of stayed on his feet to make the tackle. A good pass though, and that could of been a touchdown

    Ginn and Camarillo are two different receivers. Ginn isn't as good as Camarillo in route running or going over the middle, however Camarillo is NEVER going to be a deep threat.

    Take the flea flickers against the Seahawks and the Jets. Camarillo cannot make those plays.
     
  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Which is why I would want Bess in the slot in a 3 wide reciever set. With Ginn and the new guy on the outside.
     
  25. Rhody Phins Fan

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    Any person with eyes saw that he was tripped by the corner back to cut across behind him. And, as far as hustle, Ginn got up from the ground and beat Ed Reed down the field after the interception.

    I guess he showed no instinct when he came back for teh ball in between two defenders against the Jets or when he ever so slightly pushed off the cornerback to create separation for his TD catch against the Jets. Yeah no instinct at all.
     
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  26. Stitches

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    Care to show me conclusive footgae that he tripped over himself?

    Aside from that, on Reed's TD it sure looked like Ginn hustled to make a play as he tried to take on Ngata who was blocking in front of Reed. You make it sound like he walked to the sideline after the ball was picked off.
     
  27. Straz

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    I did not say Boldin was a FA dude!!!

    TJ might get franchised who knows, you don't i don't.

    There will be more wide recievers on the FA market then right now.
     
  28. syborg

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    I disagree. . we need a second pass rusher to compliment Porter who, only has a couple of good years left in the Tank. . I have to say I like the idea of Bart Scott as no way the Ravens can hold onto the 3 guys they have so i figure Scott will be the one to go. . can you imagine Porter and Scott. . wow. .Roth is ok but needs work yet he and Crowder were both mediocre. .

    As for a #1 WR well we do need a deep threat player and maybe Housh can offer that but he again only has a couple of years left now and he will likely want more than we should offer. Besides the WR corps , although not great are adequate. What we need is to focus on the interior line busting open holes for Ronnie and Ricky to exploit. We have Fasano; Martin, Cobbs, Ginn, Bess, Camarillo who can all catch the ball and will do for now. . imho

    We need to sort out the Pass rush and our secondary on D. .
    They say Defense wiins Championships. . lets get that right 1st. . then focus on the interior O line getting a run game going in some good bus lanes and the pass game will almost take care of itself with the talent we currently have. . although as I said a deep threat player will be needed. .
     
  29. Straz

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    If you watch the same "conclusive footage where Ginn got nailed by Ngata" you will see it. :up:
     
  30. Straz

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    I'm eating dinner so I'll get back on when I'm done.
     
  31. Rhody Phins Fan

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    So you honestly don't believe that the cornerback's foot tripped up Ginn?
     
  32. Straz

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    No, I don't.
     
  33. Rhody Phins Fan

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    Well that's a little crazy but that's your opinion. To change the subject, do you believe that he showed any instinct on the two plays that he made against the Jets?
     
  34. Dannyg28

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    regardless, that pass was a wounded duck 5 yards to the inside of ginn. If it was put in its place it should have been 50+ yards, maybe even a TD.

    And Cam and Bess don't provide any sort of down field threat. The defense could literally have 10 people in the box every play. Ginn consistently has Safety help rolled over the top of him, that opens things up over the middle for people like Cam and Bess to do their work.
     
  35. Fin-Omenal

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    Oh? You mean the one that wouldve been a TD had the throw been to the sidelines and not back toward the middle of the field??

    Ginn is progressing well and when Henne is in you guys will be all over his strap...
     
  36. BigDogsHunt

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    Boy does that speak volumes.......hindsight will help you see that if you revisit this thread in the future! :lol:
     
  37. DrAstroZoom

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    Ginn's job is not in jeopardy. Your man card is, though, if you let that cutie slide.
     
  38. Fin-Omenal

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    Yea, physically she is a keeper, only you know her emotionally.

    If she is a sweet girl to boot ala ASU's girl(flying him to Miami!!) then you may have to go to drastic measures...

    Get her pregnant.

















    Ofcourse Im kidding for the "unaware" posters out there.
     
  39. Ozzy

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    It really has nothing to do with Tedd Ginn. What is needed is a big, strong, fairly fast Wr with excellent hands. Then the Dolphins will have 4 Wr's capable of starting or taking over drives at any time during a game.

    Tedd Ginn is a legit speed threat, and has shown lots of improvement with plenty of room to get better. Having him on the field instantly keeps the FS back where he belongs. Another threat will keep the SS back a lot more as well. It's not really about who is a legit number one. It's more about keeping the secondary where they belong, in the seconday. Instead of stacking the box all the time.
     
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  40. Coral Reefer

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    Are there concerns about Tedd Ginn living up to his draft spot? Yes.

    Having said that, were still at early stages of develoment for the avg. reciever coming into the NFL. Because of that alone I'll reserve judgement on him.

    That's all I'll add to this.
     

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