Boomer, I know you are licking at the chops to tear this one apart so have at it. This is how I seen things as of 1/22/2009. [Quarterback] 1. Matthew Stafford-Georgia- 6"3/228 lbs. 2. Mark Sanchez-USC-6"3/ 225 lbs. 3. Josh Freeman-Kansas State-6"6/ 250 lbs. 4. Graham Harrell-Texas Tech-6"3/203 lbs. 5. Rhett Bomar-Sam Houston State-6"2/215 lbs 6. Nate Davis-Ball State-6"1/217 lbs. 7. Hunter Cantwell-Louisville-6"4/236 lbs 8. Tom Brandstater-Fresno State-6"5/220 lbs. 9. Nathaniel Brown-Central Arkansas-6"2/214 lbs/ 10. Curtis Painter-Purdue-6"4/ 230 lbs. SLIDER: Cullen Harper-Clemson RISER: John Parker Wilson-Alabama [Running Back] 1. Knowshon Moreno-Georgia-5"11-208 lbs 2. Chris Wells-Ohio State-6"1-237 lbs 3. LeSean McCoy-Pittsburgh-5"11-210 lbs 4. James Davis-Clemson-5"11-210 lbs 5. Shonn Greene-Iowa-5"11-235 lbs 6. Donald Brown-Connecticut-5"10-210 lbs. 7. Glenn Coffee-Alabama-6"1-198 lbs. 8. Andre Brown-NC State-6"0-228 lbs. 9. Arian Foster-Tennessee-6"1-215 lbs 10. Javarris Williams-Tennesse State-5"11=215 lbs SLIDER: Javon Ringer-Michigan State RISER: Gantrell Johnson-Colorado State [Wide Receiver] 1. Michael Crabtree-Texas Tech-6"3- 214 lbs 2. Jeremy Maclin-Missouri-6"1-200 lbs 3. Hakeem Nicks-North Carolina-6"1- 210 lbs 4. Kenny Britt-Rutgers-6"4-215 lbs 5. Darrius Heyward Bey-Maryland-6"3-206 lbs 6. Derrick Williams-Penn State-5"11- 194 lbs 7. Percy Harvin-Florida-5"11-190 lbs 8. Juaquin Iglesias-Oklahoma-6"0- 204 lbs 9. Louis Murphy-Florida-6"3-205 10. Ramses Barden-Cal. Poly-6"6- 247 lbs SLIDER: Demetrius Byrd-LSU RISER: Brandon Gibson-Washington State [Tight End] 1. Brandon Pettigrew-Oklahoma State-6"6/ 260 lbs 2. Jared Cook-south Carolina-6"5-242 lbs 3. Shawn Nelson-Southern Mississippi-6"5-240 lbs 4. Travis Beckum-Wisconsin- 6"4-235 lbs 5. Chase Coffman-Missouri-6"6-245 lbs 6. Cornelius Ingram-Florida-6"4-223 lbs 7. James Casey-Rice-6"4-235 lbs 8. Anthony Hill-NC State-6"6-265 lbs 9. Brian Mandeville-Northeastern-6"7-253 lbs 10. John Phillips-Virginia-6"6-250 lbs SLIDER: Bear Pascoe-Fresno State RISER: Darius Hill-Ball State [Offensive Tackle] 1. Eugene Monroe-Virginia-6"6-315 lbs 2. Michael Oher-Mississippi-6"5- 318 lbs 3. Jason Smith-Baylor-6"5-305 lbs 4. Andre Smith-Alabama-6"4-330 lbs 5. William Beatty-Connecticut- 6"6-306 lbs 6. Eben Britton-Arizona-6"6-310 lbs 7. Jamon Meredith-South Carolina-6"5- 301 lbs 8. Phil Loadholt-Oklahoma-6"8-337 lbs 9. Troy Kropog-Tulane-6"6-315 lbs 10. Garrett Reynolds-North Carolina-6"7-310 lbs SLIDER: Alex Boone-Ohio State RISER: Fenuki Tupu-Oregon [Offensive Guard] 1. Duke Robinson-Oklahoma-6"5-335 lbs 2. Herman Johnson-LSU-6"7- 386 lbs 3. Andy Levitre-Oregon State-6"3-317 lbs 4. Trevor Canfield-Cincinnati-6"5-305 lbs 5. Cedric Dockery-Texas-6"4-320 lbs 6. Tyronne Greene-auburn-6"2-307 lbs 7. Kraig Ubrik-Wisconsin-6"6-332 lbs 8. Ryan Stancheck-West Virginia-6"4-303 lbs 9. Roger Allen-Mssouri Western-6"4-315 lbs 10. Travis Bright-BYU-6"5-329 lbs SLIDER: Anthony Parker-Tennessee RISER: Jamie Thomas-Maryland 1. Max Unger-Oregon-6"5-300 lbs 2. Alex Mack-California-6"4-316 lbs 3. Antoine Caldwell-Alabama-6"3-295 lbs 4. Eric Wood-Louisville-6"4-309 lbs 5. Jonathan Luigs-Arkansas-6"4- 314 lbs SLIDER: AQ Shipley-Penn State RISER: Edwin Williams-Maryland
i am bigger on Kraig Ubrik then many people it looks like. Trevor Canfield a possability too (i haven't fully watched him yet) I dont want miami drafting a TE, but Shawn Nelson is a beast in my thoughts... will surprise many people.
Percy Harvin that far down is amazing. If not for injuries he is Top 10 no doubt. Percy is a playmaker who made plays every time he touched the ball
he's a type i can see being decent in the NFL though, nothing spetacular... plus he'll be gone before our first rounder... there are other solid options at WR throughout the whole draft, so no worries on WR i think.
I'm a big fan of William Beatty but I'm not ready to put him over Ebon Britton. I have always liked LeSean McCoy but I hope he has the frame to take on many carries at the next level. I still wonder if he can do that but he's a great cutback runner and quick on his feet. He's the RB that interests me. He plays at one speed IMO and he's not much of a threat out of the backfield from what I've seen but he's been productive at Clemson.
Skeet, I disagree. While Percy Harvin was a tremendous player in the NCAA and there is no doubt that he has blazing speed but he weighs 190 lbs soaking wet and I just don't see him dominating the pro-game with his small frame.
But he is not a WR or a RB, he is a in between guy. I could see him being a better version of a Leon Washington.
i agree here, i have been quiet on it but think Harvin could be a bust in the NFL... very small and will get dominated up front against aggressive cover corners. he could make big sideline plays in zones at times though i bet....but isn't gonna be an everydown WR.
Percy does not way a ton, But he is not small by any means. The guy is built with mucsle. He is not some skinny guy out there that can't break tackles. Percy Harvin is a playmaker He is not an in between guy. He is not a RB! He is a WR end of story. Just because Urban Meyer used him at RB to get the ball in his hands does not mean he does not have a position. He had better average yards per catch numbers than Michael Crabtree. If you break it down the stats between him and Crabtree are in favor of Percy when you take into account the fact that texas Tech threw the ball 50 times a game while Florida MAY have thrown 15-20.
While he is built with muscle I would think that so are most skilled positional players in the NFL. I think corners would throw Harvin around. Ted Ginn Jr. looks like Andre the Giant in terms of mass compared to Harvin
Ted Ginn is 5-11 and 180 Percy Harvin is 5-11 and 195 How in the world is Ted Ginn andre the giant in terms to Harvin? Harvin is stronger than Ginn and he is not afraid of contact. He has proved to be able to break tackles and he is just as fast if not faster than Ted Ginn. Most skill players are built with muscle, but most don't have the athleticism like Percy Harvin. Corners are not going to throw Percy around
Well Percy Harvin and Ted Ginn Jr. are comparable football player. I'd take Ginn over Harvin 10 out of 10 times. There is no way that Harvin is better than ginn. Ginn has shyed away from contact but Ginn's approvement from year 1 to year 2 was remarkable and he will continue to get better. If the Dolphins select Harvin in the first round I think a lot of people on this board would have my back and be upset with the pick
I would be upset with the pick, but not for the logic you give here. I think Harvin has greater upside than Ginn. He has more elusiveness is larger and shows more strength in breaking tackles to make a play. Ginn has shown better concentration and hands this season than last, but his route running is still a work in progress and he doesn't exhibit the shiftiness Harvin shows. He is more of a line up and beat you down the line player while Harvin has more subtle niftiness to make you miss. I think Ginn's only decisive advantage over harvin is a less checkered injury past. Beyond his injury from getting tackled by a teammate in the BCS championship he has been pretty healthy while Harvin has always been dinged up. If we didn't have either on our roster but got to pick one I would take Harvin...in a heartbeat.
I disagree with your post entirely. Harvin is elusive but Ginn is houdini like. It's easy to say what you are saying based on what you have seen out Harvin in college. Trust me, Ted Ginn Jr. was a better college player than Harvin was as well. Ginn has showed elusiveness in the pro-game. He had to reverses for TD's this year that clearly demonstrate that. There is no question ginn still has a long way to go especially with route running but there is no question how much he improved. Teddy was a true play-maker for us in 2008. He is working his rear off to be the best he can be and I think we are in for a very pleasent surprise when it comes to Ginn.
Then we have to agree to disagree because I think you are WAY off. Many of Harvin's long runs have come from handoffs where he takes it straight up the middle. Often times he meets a linebacker in the hole and gives them a subtle shimmy. The result? A linebacker with his hand on the shoe of a streaking Percy. If Ginn gets cornered in the same small area its a tackle for a minimal gain. Ginn may have more straight line speed but he isn't close to having the same shake and bake as Percy.
If your implying that I stole this from someone or something, please find those rankings and prove me wrong. If not stop trying to be a moderator. Know your role I guess I would say
Dude, I seriously, seriously doubt that you've seen these players because your opinions on them fluctuate like the wind. After all, you put Gerald McCoy as your #2 DT and admitted you'd never seen him.
Ginn was better in college? Why because he could out run people? He rarely went over the middle and made most of his plays on streaks and kick returns. Congrats to him. Harvin has done everything at Florida (Except return kicks). He is way better than Ginn was coming out of College. I am not a Ginn hater because I think he will be a very good WR for us. Also lets not make it like Percy Harvin is a fragile egg that can't be touched. He missed 5 games in three years. 2 were because of Migrane headaches which had nothing to do with him being hurt on the football field.
