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Channing Crowder, other Dolphins to test free agent market

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Styla, Jan 22, 2009.

  1. Styla

    Styla #1 Davone Bess Fan!!!

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    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/other/sfl-flspdolphins22sbjan22,0,194729.story


    http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL
     
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  2. I am Bane

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    :( this is the worst part of professional sports
     
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  3. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Crowder is a good player, but he isnt special, same with all of our other FA's. Bell is the only one Id keep but at the right price. You dont want to overpay a player that often injured like he is.
     
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  4. Big E

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    If we had this many FA's worth top dollar we wouldn't have been one and done in the playoffs. :wink2:
     
  5. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    damn sounds like half our secondary is in that list
     
  6. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Crowder, Bell, Hill, Goodman, and Carey are all solid, yet unspectacular players and should be paid accordingly. If some other GM or coach thinks otherwise, that's okay. I trust the Tuna/Ireland/Sparano trio's judgment more than anyone else's.

    Replacing solid, yet unspectacular players is not difficult.
     
  7. Dolfan4Life

    Dolfan4Life BostonStrong

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    I like Crowder and it would be good if he stays, but just for a fair contract offer! If we retain Bell and Carey it would be good for us too!

    Thanks for the infos Styla!
     
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  8. anlgp

    anlgp ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A

    That's just because that's where every other fin seems to have ended up.
     
  9. BrazForPhins

    BrazForPhins From south

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    All "stayable" guys, though none deserve top money.

    I trust our staff judgement, specially after Zach and JT episodes.
     
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  10. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    I read the article and the truth is,whatever the big 3 see and want to do with the team is fine by me.I am not the one to make these decisions and will not get caught up with it either.
    They know what they want and are already 5 steps ahead of us in the direction they want to go.
     
  11. dirtywhiteboy

    dirtywhiteboy Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    depends if you're losing or gaining a player. if the cards can't afford dansby, we sure as heck can!:up:
     
  12. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    I'd really like to keep Carey. It would solidify the tackle position for us with big Jake on the other side for years to come.
     
  13. kthurmus23

    kthurmus23 Canada's #1 Fin Fan

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    It would suck to lose those guys. I would like to keep Bell and Carey for the right price, but if the front office lets them go then I trust they know what they are doing. Whatever we do lose though I hope we improve on it come FA.
     
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  14. NickyNapoleon

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    OK heres the way I see our free agents, I would like to resign two or three of them. Crowder is Morlon Greenwood 2.0 and I am not going to shed a tear when he leaves. He is a good tackler but nothing spectacular and thats the way he wants to get paid. He should be in the 4 years 15M range range and Im sure thats insulting to him so he can go be insulted else where.

    I would like to keep Yeremiah Bell but not for anything more than a 2 year deal, hes over 30 and just comepleted his first full season. And if he thinks he's getting 5M per season I would laugh at him. Anyone care to guess what the Franchise tag was for a safety last year(average of teh top 5 S salaries) 4.1M Bell getting 5 million per year is laughable.

    Vernon Carey is one I would like to hold on to but at a decent price, although I have a feeling we are looking at a Todd Wade scenario where someone will pay some stupid amount for an average player. Carey is a good OT dont get me wrong and has some versatility to be serviceable at LT. But hes merely a low second high third tier OT.

    I would like to keep Hill and Goodman provided they arent asking for teh world as well. But in the case of Goodman if his asking price gets too high I would just move on to Daunta Robinson out of Houston
     
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  15. RBrown23

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    I really hope we don't let go of Bell and Goodman. They both really solidified our secondary. Goodman really played great this season after the first couple games. Bell is one we cannot afford to lose because playmaking safetys are often hard to find.
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  16. Crappy Tipper

    Crappy Tipper AKA Hero13

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    Crowder said it best himself.

     
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  17. NickyNapoleon

    NickyNapoleon Active Member

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    In all fairness to Crowder who is acting borderline childish those comments appear to have been said in jest and I read them as dripping with sarcasm. Even if they are true
     
  18. NickyNapoleon

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    The only problem is I dont think of Crowder as an underachiever, he is good for what he is. But thats about it, hes not the big hitter, or a guy that forces alot of turnovers. Hes just a steady player and sure tackler with knee problems
     
  19. padre31

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    Channing would net 140+ tackles in New England, heck Seau played well up there and he is 200 years old, that Dline makes average Lb's stand out.

    And CC is only 25, so I could see the patsies picking him up, but certainly not paying 5 million a year.

    Hmm...Thomas..Mayo...Crowder...Sintim...not a bad looking Line backing crew.
     
  20. Marino1384

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    We have to keep Carey, he's young and he played great before this season, he just had an off year, he's still only like 27
     
  21. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    We need to sign Bell, Goodman, and Carey... Crowder and Hill are solid back-ups... Although 5 million/year for Bell might be too much. I think a 3 year 10-12 million is more in order
     
  22. NickyNapoleon

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    Channing couldnt get 140 tackles because Mayo would have the guy tackled before Channing could get there, that would be a great spot for him. Next to Mayo it will show him how mediocre he really is
     
  23. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    It would be great if Crowder went to NE, he could overpersue and take himself out of plays when they play against us... I honestly think Ronnie would run right over him too.
     
  24. padre31

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    Eh, times change, we expect more out of our ILB then the patsies do, and they are heavily invested in their dline and a bit further along, they could just plug Channing in and he will produce.

    CC isn't Zach, who flat turned down the Patsies last offseason...and look on the bright side, maybe he can finally sell his hooptie and buy a nicer car..:lol:
     
  25. NickyNapoleon

    NickyNapoleon Active Member

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    Like I said previously Crowder wont hit 150 tackles playing next to Mayo. Look at teh Ravens there is no 140 tackle player because there are 4 good LB's and Ray Lewis is the leader. Crowder would play the Bart Scott role in NE and probably be around 80-90 tackles
     
  26. NickyNapoleon

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    Im not saying Crowder isnt a productive player, just saying he is not a game changer which is how he wants to be played. If the Phins can lure Bart Scott or Karlos Dansby to Miami the comment will be Channing Who?
     
  27. NickyNapoleon

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    One thing that gives us an advantage is that Florida has no state sales tax...
     
  28. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    The KC game was the entire defense missing tackles. Porter, Bell, Hill, Allen, everyone. It was so cold noone wanted to tackle. I dont think the outcome would have been too much different with Crowder in there. Maybe they score 1 less TD, or a FG instead of a TD with Crowder in.
     
  29. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    He doesnt make the secondary calls, at least I dont think. Normally, one of the safeties calls the secondary and the linebackers calls the front 7. Also, go back and watch some highlights, youll see defensive players avoiding contact
     
  30. NickyNapoleon

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    The difference being that Dansby and Scott have earned teh pay day. Crowder deserves to be paid but he is a second tier guy and doesnt realize that.

    I actually mod another of the Phins sites, but came over after talking to Alen1, like2god, and opfinistic on a football site
     
  31. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    Reggie Torbor isnt a starter who is calling they plays., there is a certain level of learning curve for Torbor than there would be for Crowder.. I mean wouldnt you be more pissed off that Crowder is out of pposition than Torbor. Not saying Torbor being out of position is acceptable... Torbor is moreso on the team for his special team contributions than anything else, and his special teams play is questionable as well. I also guess that brings up a new question and a knock on Crowder... How is the guy who calls the front 7's plays, overpersuing and missing tackles?... since he is reading the defense, shouldnt he absolutely know where the play is going?
     
  32. Clark Kent

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    The one negative about a 10 game turnaround is people forget we're rebuilding. Signing these guys is important in the immediate future (this coming year), but not so much the distant future (3-4 years, which I hope are championship years).

    Crowder is overrated. KC runs a spread. To say that proves Crowder's worth is naive. NE ran on us pretty damn good too. They didn't have the -9 degrees helping either. A notch better then Greenwood, who we let walk to Houston for a big, stupid, contract.

    Carey struggled quite a bit, I thought. He was beaten quite a bit, and allowed pressure.

    Bell isn't worth 5 mill a year. I like him a lot, and out of the big 5 he's the guy I want back most. But a reasonable deal needs to put in place first.

    Goodman came on strong, but looked lost early. He is serviceable.

    Hill can't tackle for ****, a liability in run defense and attacking guys in space.

    If we let all 5 guys go, I'd understand. If we can sign a few to reasonable contracts, fine. But not otherwise.
     
  33. jdang307

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    It isn't to replace one here or there, but it's hard to replace a bunch of solid guys. You want solid guys then you can upgrade. If you're trying to replace solid guys you can upgrade, stay the same or miss big time.

    Their judgment landed us some huge duds. McCown? Wilford? Two draft picks on RBs that landed on the PS, one got snatched up and we didn't feel like matching the contract (parmele). Our schedule is going to be very tough next year, I hope we hold on to a majority of these guys.
     
  34. Straz

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    I really want to see Bell, Carey, and Goodman remain on this squad.
     
  35. Brown42000

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    Channing is replaceable the two players I want back are Bell and Goodman who played outstanding football the second half of the season.
     
  36. NickyNapoleon

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    :up:I would go out on a limb and say you are correct there.....
     
  37. RealDriscoll

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    Carey and Bell are the important keepers. Crowder can go elsewhere and Dan henning would eat him up b/c Crowder makes more mental mistake than anyone on our team
     
  38. Agua

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    They really need to keep that entire secondary intact: Bell, Hill, Goodman.
     
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  39. 2xBlown

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    It would be unfortunate to create more holes on a team which already won't be able to plug up all of the ones it has.
     
  40. Big E

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    Bell I agree with, but Hill and Goodman are second teir players. We need to upgrade the CB positions depth. I like keeping them as long as we can get a solid player to start along side Will.
     
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