how many of them do we need to lose to get a good compensation pick in the draft? Couldn't we potentially get a second round pick out of it?
The Secondary picked up largely, and the players have commented as such, when Hill came back in because of his communication skills. Goodman, after settling down, is playing as well as any CB.
No way to know because the precise formula for comp picks has never been divulged by the NFL. That's worrisome. There is some website where a guy has gotten it around 90% +, but the mere fact that you can't look at an established formula to yield a precise mathematical result bothers me. Seems to give the NFL too much discretion to play favorites. Seems like back in the early 2000s, we lost a lot of guys each year and didn't really get jack other than a 5th round here and a 7th rounder there.
Bell 3-year 15 million... Better have a large signing bonus to help reduce the cap number. But the fact is that he is our best playmaker on the defense. If he could have stayed healthy since his first days in the NFL. He would already be averaging 5 million a season. Nobody has ever said the man does not have top talent. He just cannot seem to stay healthy. Miami needs to resign him now before another team does!!!
Yep, even Rodney Harrison said on the air that Bell was a Pro-Bowl caliber SS! Bell can't go, even at the risk of injury give him 3 years... Crowder and Carey are just OK for me. Renaldo is pretty solid and Goodman is average although the last few games were good. It was against the good receivers he sucked, such as Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald/Boldin when he struggled. That showed he isn't an elite caliber CB.
I agree on Bell, Goody, and Carey. If Carey doesn't ask for a boat load of money. I think when Bill, Jeff, and Tony observe the senior bowl, combine, and evaluate other FA's that will be available, will say a lot on how serious they will try to resign our own FA's.
Right on. Why fork out the $$$ now when you can take your time, see if you can upgrade before forking out money to players that could have been upgraded. I like the stance the FO is taking on this.
Bell, Mt. Vernon, and Goody will all return. The free safety position will be upgraded, as will the Inside Linebacker position. O.J. Atogwe and Karlos Dansby anyone?
Inside Linebacker is going to be a major need and something I see us addressing via free agency. Bart Scott is a player who truely intigues me due to his ability, knowledge in the 3-4 system, and ability to lay the lumber. Living in Baltimore we get a lot of coverage on the Ravens defense. With Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs, and Jason Brown being free agents , Scott is a likely goner. Another major need is free safety and I do not want to bring Renaldo Hill back. Jim Leonard is a guy that I truely like who might fly under the radar.
Most of you guys are nuts... Crowder is a very good player...not great, but very good. Despite the fact that he does not make big plays on a consistent basis and part of the reason is the position he plays in this D...his is not position that is highlited for big plays...even so, he will get the money he's asking for somewhere else... He might even be worth it, and as some have said, he'd excel in NE and Dallas because of the scheme...We'll miss his production because no matter how we replace it, it'll cost us...either an upgrade FA, like Bart Scott or a 1st or 2nd round draft choice, that ultimately will cost us, either by salary or by missing out on filling one of the other spots we need filled thru the draft. Bell is also a very good player...another that will get the money he's asking for elsewhere. He has been productive, when healthy, at his position and with the emphasis on guys like Polamalo, Reed, Wilson and Sanders...and the impact they have for their respective teams, he'll get the money he's asking for...$3.5-5 M per year...We may not want to admit it, but this D is significantly better with him there...We'll pay that amount to replace him with Atgowe or whoever... Anyone less will be less productive... Carey...I just don't see where you all figure we can easily replace him. He, moreso than the other UFAs we have to worry about will get his asking price elsewhere. He's versatile enough to more than adequately man the LT and very productive as a RT... He probably would excel at the LG spot as well, but certainly he would not be signed by another team for that purpose. Goodman and Hill might be replaced thru reasonable FAs, but likely could be resigned at a cost more commensurate with their ability...Maybe... I'm not saying the sky will fall if we don't re-sign these guys, but just exactly how many spots can we replace and at what cost and/or level of play will it set us back if we don't ?? I'm not saying that the Trio should just hand these guys blank checks, but I am saying that replacing their production will cost us just as much no matter how we replace them...if we plan on replacing them all thru the draft, where does that leave our 'rebuilding' process ?? It just might be easier and cheaper to keep the guys we have and continue our 'rebuilding' thru the draft... If we want to improve from last year and not step backwards, I believe that re-signing at least 3 of the 5 is needed...
Brother I respect your opinion. I would like to sign Bell, Goody, and Carey. Crowder is good, but we need to get better at the inside Line backing position. Bell has just stayed healthy the whole season this year, so the injury bug is a concern, but not if the price is right. Goody I like as well, however if we don't resign him I could understand the part of him being over 30. This defense still needs tweaking for the better. I trust in Bill, Jeff, and Tony. We shall see what they observe at the senior bowl, and the combine. I am like a little kid this off season waiting to see what they do to make our team better.
Unfortunately, I think Dansby is a another big name that will get tagged and I'm not sure he'd mind it.
Dansby is really the only person that I feel we could snag and take our D to the next level through FA right now. There are others that could help, but he's on a level all by himself IMO. I figure that there are a few scenarios in which we might have a shot at him. Basically, Arizona needs to win, or at the very least have a very competitive game with Pitt. If that happens, they have to sign/franchise Warner. No team that goes that far is going to let their QB go, period. Now they may not be sure how much longer Kurt can keep it up so there is def a chance they could think franchising him for a year and waiting to see what happens is the best route. If he does get tagged, then Dansby most likely hits the market and I expect us to have a very good shot at bringing him here. The other scenario is that they decide that they need Boldin and want to restructure his deal. Admittedly, this scenario is growing smaller bc Fitzgerald has shown he can carry the bulk of that offense on his own. But it is still possible that they pay Boldin and extend him. Obviously, they would still want to keep Warner. If they give both of them new deals, then there goes a good chunk of change. Hopefully that might persuade them to let Dansby go. Like I said, this scenario is possible, but doesn't seem all that likely. IMO, our best chance with Dansby is that Warner gets tagged. It could def happen if Arizona wins/has a strong showing. Dansby is only 27 right now and won't turn 28 till next Nov. I would be halfway tempted into giving into a moderate price to land him even if he is tagged.
While that's true, Boldin still has a year left on his deal and they could hold off shopping him until next off-season or they may very well shop him soon. I like Warner but you have to wonder if they are ready to turn the keys over to Matt Leinart, assuming they win the Super Bowl. Dansby is the centerpiece of that defense, I have a real hard time them letting him go. It would surprise me if they did let him walk but I don't see it happening. JMO.
Yeah, I didn't think of it like that Aqua. Well, I still don't think he really deserves as much money as he wants, but I guess he could end up getting it with some other ball club.
Agreed for the most part - I think if they win the Super Bowl, why not hand over the spot to Matt Leinart? Sure they will likely take a step back from this year but you spent the tenth overall pick on him, why not see what he can do? You've already accomplished your goal and I know you want that every year but you can't put off your franchise signal caller.
Thats what I think too. No way they say, "Great season Kurt, thanks for getting our franchise the furthest it's ever been, good luck on the market." If they would just tag him, it would make our chances at Dansby soooo much better. If that happens, then he would most likely at least be fielding other offers.
Yeah, but I think the Cards let Pace walk last year with the intention of retaining Dansby this year. JMO but I would be very surprised if he plays elsewhere next year. If money becomes an issue I think Boldin is the odd man out, but the asking price will more than likely be too rich for our blood. Too bad too.
I'll be optimistic and say that Larry English is scratched for Cameron Wake. I see absolutely no reason to turn anything over to Leinart unless Warner has a complete meltdown and loses all confidence after the Superbowl/in the offseason. If your Arizona, you ride that gravy train until the wheels fall off.
So would I Travis but if they win it this year, I say lets see what Leinart can do. Kurt's done a helluva job for the team and its greatly appreciated. I look at it like this. You decide between a 37 year old Quarterback or tag your defensive centerpiece in Karlos Dansby as well as lock up your number two receiver whose damn good? Who do you take? Mind you, you have a franchise signal caller sitting on the bench and he has spent time learning from this veteran.
I think if your Arizona, you know that your offense was what won all those games for you during the beginning/middle of the season. The defense has been hot and cold all year and is anything but consistant. I would keep the offense intact and make that my first priority. Obviously, defense is very important. But can you really say that Arizona's defense has won them very many games? Just my opinion, but that offense is way more important to their success.
If they are lacking consistency, why split them up? Keep them together and let them work together to become a better defense. Getting rid of your best defensive player won't help that. They've played pretty darn well in the postseason IMO. The offense is more important to their success but I think that you don't want to get worse on defense with the loss of Karlos Dansby when you already are lacking consistency. Would you get rid of your best defensive player to sign a 37 year old Quarterback to an extension? As good as Warner has been for them, I'll take the extension of Karlos Dansby.
The Cards have managed to keep Warner upright a lot longer this season and they're using much better schemes to beat blitzes (WR screens, better routes, Fitz's improved route running addition to already insane size and hands). There is no reason they can't keep putting up 25+ points a game by finding a different QB who will be younger and cheaper yet still can make the throws. Key right now is the defense. If they put the other team down, everything runs smoother for the offense. The difference between the Cardinal losses and the playoff wins against the same exact teams? The Defense.
You could make the same argument as to why break up an offense that is already perfect IMO (if they continue to get the recent production out of RB and OL) BC I don't think Dansby makes or breaks that team. Warner, on the other hand, could very well be that variable. It depends if they are willing to sacrifice a lot next year for a more consistant future or if they want to keep winning right now.
You could but you have someone to fall back on offensively. Yes, you take a step back and you may not be in the same position next year at this time but your likely to get a more negative impact by the loss of Dansby then the loss of Warner IMO. Why? Because your taking away an integral part of their defense and have no one to fall back on. I think this is where we may be disagreeing. You think that they should go for the winning right now, correct? I think you have to lock up your young guys because they will soon be the leaders of your franchise. Warner doesn't have many years left and I think you have the offensive talent to make Matt Leinart a success.
Not to mention an easy conference in which 6 of their 9 wins during the regular season came from. The defense has proven to be the variable in the postseason right now. You lock up RB's like DeAngelo, Westbrook, and Turner and you will win.
I'm not saying they SHOULD lock up Warner for another year. I'm saying I could see them doing that if they want to win now. Which could very well be the case bc that franchise has never had the success it's having right now so they could just be thinking short term and keeping it going as long as possible. For the record, I would lock up Dansby in a heartbeat. I'm just hoping they don't feel the same. Hell, they might think Leinart still sucks and isn't the future and may still want to look elsewhere.
I see what your saying now, my bad for the misinterpretation. Its possible but IMO, it wouldn't be the right decision to let Dansby walk. JMO but I wouldn't complain if he was a Miami Dolphin. You could be right. My money is that its the opposite but who knows.
I've been ranting about Dansby for quite awhile now. Since, OJ is staying in Stl, Dansby is really the only FA I see that will make us enormously better. Leinart has been given many chances with the exact same offense that they have now. Needless to say, it sure as hell doesn't look like he's ready yet. They def could just roll the dice on him though.
Julius Peppers. He was neck for neck in the training camp battle but he lost out because of the experience factor. Ken Whisenhunt said it himself.
