If we trade the JT pick " with our 1st " we could move up to the 12 or 13 spot. If we let CC walk and Maualuga is still on the board.Do ya do it??? I would. What if Everette Brown,Brian Orakpo are still on the Board it's kind of hard to think Bill would just let them out of his hands when he could move up and we'd still have a second round pick.Odds are one of them second round picks would end up being a bust anyways.Do ya do it??? I would. I've seen other people talk about selling off our 1st 3 picks to move up to the 6,7, spot but have not seen this talked about at all. So Hakeem Nicks has been moving on up as well........he was thought of as a 3rd round pick six weeks ago know people have him as a late 1st round pick.So even if he keeps moving up we could still land him at 12, or 13...............Do ya do it??? I would. By the way Brian Orakpo didn't just play as a RDE at TEXAS they also ran some 3-4 and when they did he played as the LOLB........................As much as i love Roth i'd still go after Orakpo. So would you do it???
My issue with moving up is the money moves up as well. All these guys are unproven in any league beyond college at this point. I would much rather keep it where it's at or trade our #1 down for another #2 pick before trading our #1 and #2 to move up to a higher #1 spot.
It's possible but the problem is that Aaron Curry the one guy they'd go crazy to get is out of range.
With the talent at the top of this draft I would rather move down and accumulate early picks. You can get players that are going to be very good in the second round and the financial responsibility is far less. If we could move into the first part of round two and pick up an extra third and a good pick next year I would be ecstatic. We have holes and need to add as many guys as we can get. There are alot of good OT's in the draft and a team picking early could very well draft a guy they want and move back into the later part of round one and still get a good OT.
It is important to note that Ireland has said he is comfortable moving up, down or staying where he is. Very vague, I know, but at least the option has come from the horses' mouth that it is possible.
Why would we draft a guy to replace, basically the same guy? Crowder can over-pursue and miss tackles just as well a Maualuga.
i dont like losing picks when you need so much to fill.... lets fill, trade down if possible, if anything.
I wouldn't do it for Maualuga but I'd certainly do it for a player who grades out well ahead of the guys I can get at #25. The thing about the draft, it's not about accumulating picks. It's about coming up with a good board and drafting the players that rank on top of it whenever possible. So if there's a guy at, let us say, #15 who's considerably higher on your board than the rest of the bunch, you move up. If there isn't, you stay put. If the players around #35 or #40 grade out the same as the players at #25, you try to move down. It's generally a bad idea to move up because of a need and it's generally a bad idea to move down or stay put for the purpose of conserving or accumulating picks - the good teams stay true to their board and draft accordingly. You really can't talk uptrade or downtrade without having a well-researched board in place.
Don't trade up. I would rather us have two picks than one. Its a much better chance to help our team.
Why move up? What sensational talent is likely to be ahead of us? I'm not overly enamored with the top of this draft as is. Couple that with the current front office's acumen for developing mid to late round talent and I find it unlikely we will be moving up. The only scenario I find likely for us putting a package together is if we decide to sell out for a DT (Jerry or Raji) and they are still on the board around 15. And that is only because of the dearth of talent at DT in this draft.
That's not even worth it because quite possibly the approach they take to NT this season will be expecting the improving Soliai, Ferguson, and maybe a mid-rounder (they've scouted as far as I've heard guys in this range) to hold down the fort (Dotson may be on the outs and they'll replace him with a NT, something to that effect). Once again they really want to have those three picks lined up because two of them are likely to be starters, one of them at center. If there were a Haloti Ngata available as in the 2006 draft then yes they may have done it but as of now it's a situation where it's practically useless. I doubt they're in love with Maulauluga.
It's not about them........So their is no one you would move up for?What about your love for Hakeem Nicks??
If we spend a 1st and 2nd to move up to grab Hakim Nicks I will personally kick CK's *** even if he's not involved.
No way would i be in favour of moving up. I don't think the talent is that much better from 12-25 to warrant giving up a high second round pick. Did you see how many solid players we got in last years draft. This FO can find the right people for their system in any round or even after the draft (Bess). So it becomes a volume thing. Why give up a second round pick to get a player who may be marginally better when we really can upgrade at so many positions. Theoretically we could move up to 12-13 but it would be a bad mistake in my opinion.
Here ya go http://www.hulu.com/watch/51202/tostitos-fiesta-bowl-tostitos-fiesta-bowl-texas-vs-ohio-state 20 min's in one game and he lines up at ROLB two times and once as a LOLB. 1st Q at 11:36 he's playing as a ROLB then at 3:47 also,Then in the 2 Q at 11:38 he is lined up as a LOLB.They used 3-4 like this on and off this year.
Perhaps you've misunderstood Simon. He's never seen Orakpo as anything other than a DE in the pros. Doesn't matter if he's lined up there some in college. He's not a linebacker. That's not what he is.
O i understand and with the Baltimore LB's all saying they will take the home discount to stay and play with each other Their is not going to be a better 3 down ILB in fA's better then CC.If they want any kind of winning year they have to at the very least bring back 3 of the 5 FA back.
Ahh,,,,well i think their would be more then a few 3-4 teams that would love to give him a go at OLB.
All very good points...I'll i know is Bill isn't shy about moving around in the draft,moving up or down, trying to land his players and we did move up last year to get Shawn Murphy.
With only a few real deal blue chippers at the top of every draft, the difference in talent between the guy picked at say 15, and the guy picked at 25 is not that great. I'd rather keep the extra picks and lesser monetary investment, especially with a front office that I have this much confidence in. They'll find us some players.
What I mean is, he's best suited to being a pro DE. He doesn't turn and run very well, I've seen him be lacsydaisical tracking down plays from behind and have you sen him in coverage? And as for Everette Brown? No thanks.
