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Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by NickyNapoleon, Jan 24, 2009.

  1. NickyNapoleon

    NickyNapoleon Active Member

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    Right now I personally have a bit of infatuation with Loadholt out of OU. Love the frame, 36.5 inch arms, and his ability to get movement in the running game but I know he has trouble with edge rushers as well. Im concerned that we will see Todd Wade 2 in that someone will over pay Carey and he wont be back. If we dont get Carey or a solid replacement I expect us to take a OT fairly early. That said what RT prospects are likely to be available in the second or third that are possibly ready to step in and start.

    I would also like to hear your evaluations of Alex Mack, again a guy I love for the ferocity he plays with. Another guy with good size 6'4 312 33.5 inch arms big hands 10 5/8, but he tends to end up on the ground a little more often than you would like. Is it technique, is it his over aggressive play, or is there something else? I love the reports out of Mobile that Mack was about the only person able to handle Raji, because I read somewhere that Mack struggles against bigger DT's.
     
  2. Roman529

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    I saw Loadholt play high school football at Fountain-Ft. Carson High School on the south side of Colorado Springs. He has always been a lot bigger than anyone around him. I think his only issue is he doesn't have the fastest feet in the world so a good Defensive End will often fly around him. I actually think a better O-lineman is the guy right next to him at Oklahoma, Left Guard Duke Robinson, #72. He and Jake Long would be sweet on the left side. I also like Alex Mack, but we could maybe get just as much value drafting the Center out of Arkansas named Luigs, with our 2B pick. Here is a video of Duke Robinson, who I believe is 6'5", and 335.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3qy7xxeVHA"]YouTube - OG Duke Robinson Highlights Oklahoma 2008[/ame]
     
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  3. Boomer

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    I like Loadholt. Big frame, great wingspan, sits down well in pass pro with his knees bent and his hands up. But he has awful balance when going backwards. He needs to work on his footwork and on eliminating the defender cutting inside him. He doesn't shut the door nearly as quick as you'd like, mainly because of his feet. He's a pretty decent run blocker and if you get into him, then it's over. I think he's a RT. Mack is strong at the point, very good run blocker, but at times he plays far too high in pass pro. Pops right off the snap and that motion takes his body high and his hands high. That's why the quicker interior linemen - Raji, Hood and Jerry - got movement on him this week because they fire out quick and low. Duke Robinson is strictly a RG in our offense because he doesn't move very well.
     
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  4. I am Bane

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    Loadholt (as well as many many linemen in the draft) has horrible base. he doesn't have quick feet and struggles with sliding side to side. he gets off balance a lot and becomes a lunger at times. i am not overly fond of him, but yes has a great frame and solid strength.

    Mack on the other hand is definitely the top C over most of them out there. but his case is almost the same as those centers.... he has a good base, but not great, good feet, and a solid punch up front. he'll get into people, and can slide with them with good technique... but he could get dominated by huge NT's straight up (like a Wilfork)... he can get pushed back often and doesn't have the greatest of legs once again.

    Center wise though, i like this Antoine Caldwell a lot and am looking more into him... he has great quick feet, slides extremely well, locks up quick and gets into the D-Linemen quick. has great base in the legs and ballance, has solid strength and a good frame to bulk up more in. i also love his work ethic, and seems to be a great team player and character.... he might be the guy i hoping for in the middle!!! Big guy too to go straight up with a Wilfork
     
  5. ckparrothead

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    I think I can honestly say I dislike Phil Loadholt. LOL.
     
  6. NickyNapoleon

    NickyNapoleon Active Member

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    What if Loadholt kicked inside to RG
     
  7. ckparrothead

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    That could be interesting. Doubt I'd want to see him pulling, though.
     
  8. RealDriscoll

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    It is an Offensive Linemen Paradise in this years' draft. The Center and Tackle are loaded. Max Unger and Alex Mack could slide into round 1 or go in the early part of round 2. Eric Wood, Antoine Caldwell, and Jonathan Luigs could all go between rounds 2-3. Players such as AQ Shipley and Edwin Williams are absolute values round 5 or later. Michael Oher, Jason Smith, Andre Smith, Eugene Monroe, Eben Britton, and Jamon Meredith are all 1st Round talents. Troy Kropog is an absolute value in Round 3 as is Garrey Reynolds out of North Carolina. The guard position isn't as spectacular but is solid. Duke Robinson leads the way but Herman Johnson, Kraig Ubrik, Trevor Canfield, and Andy Levitre are all solid players. Players such as Andy Kemp out of Wisconsin and Tyronne Greene out of Auburn are absolute values Round 4 or later.

    In our first 3 picks I can almost guarantee we go interior line with one of them. If Alex Mack or Max Unger are there at #44 we must pull the trigger pending on if Hakeem Nicks or William Moore are still on the board. Let's also wait and see what happends in free Agency because Jason Brown is the guy i covet more than anyone. The smart move IMO would be to lock up Vernon Carey and Jason Brown in Free Agency. A line of Big Jake, Justin Smiley, Jason Brown, Donald Thomas, and Vernon Carey would look awfully good.
     
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  9. anlgp

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    This might be considered spam but loadholt is a great name for a lineman.
     
  10. NickyNapoleon

    NickyNapoleon Active Member

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    Doesnt our LG do most of the pulling and if we keep Satele he can pull too. With his torn labrum I think the OG becomes a bigger need to address because the word is Satele is going to add a little weight as well. It was just a thought Loadholt is good in the running game and bad against speed rushers so if you push him inside you pretty much eliminate the edge rush issue
     
  11. NorFlaFin

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    Does Sparano want his interior OL to be versatile enough to play 2/3 position?

    I really Duke Robinson...but can he play RG and LG?

    Thought on both points?

    Would you eliminate a player due to a lack of versatility?
     
  12. BuckeyeKing

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    Isn't he to big to play inside?
     
  13. Mrtree

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    :spam: My favorite college football name of the year...Tonga Tea (Pronounced Tonga Tey ah) from Oklahoma State.

    Sounds like a Polynesian war god's name.
     
  14. NickyNapoleon

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    Ideally he would be shorter, but Robert Gallery made teh move inside and he is 6'7. If Boomers evaluation is correct and it usually is he does a good job at sitting into the blocks. Both Pennington and Henne are 6'3-6'4, so I really dont think its much of an issue. There was a saying that I heard a few years ago when they talked about moving Shawn Andrews inside, its like killing a mosquito with a cannon. And I think moving Loadholt inside could be a great move.
     
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  15. padre31

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    The problem would be, how can a GM use a high draft choice on a player who has not mastered the position you plan to play him at in the NFL?

    There are other LG or RG who have played there since HS, who already can play the game at a NFL level, so spending a low #2 pick on such a project is a large risk for a GM to take.
     
  16. NickyNapoleon

    NickyNapoleon Active Member

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    Loadholt isnt a project. I think the transition inside would actually be fairly easy, it gives him less responsibility and with our line if they want to keep Satele Loadholt will do well with helping him move guys like Jenkins and Wilfork.
     
  17. NickyNapoleon

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    How many teams this draft will select a player that played DE, and that player will move to OLB. Just in teh first round you could see 2-3, Loadholt may be there at 2b. Orapko could be moved to OLB, Everette Brown will be moved, if English goes he will also be making that transition. Those are much more difficult than sliding inside from RT to RG, he would also provide depth at RT if an injury were to occur.
     
  18. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Those players also played up and down in their college career NN, Loadholt has been a tackle, there is a world of difference between the two jobs.
     
  19. NickyNapoleon

    NickyNapoleon Active Member

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    Please show me tape of Brown standing up, Im a Noles fan and dont remember ever seeing it. Larry English has been a DE at NIU, I havent seen enough of him to know whether he has played a stand up rush LB or not but Im sure someone else will chime in. And just to be clear you think that switching from a hand down DE to OLB who will have to learn to cover is easier than a RT moving inside to RG?
     
  20. padre31

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    Brown is not the prospect you'd think he is NN.

    English has..somewhat,.

    As for Loadholt, put yourself in the GM's shoes, a RT who cannot play RT in the NFL, and then you use a #2 pick on him with the hope he won't wash out at RG.
     
  21. NickyNapoleon

    NickyNapoleon Active Member

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    Well we will agree to disagree on Brown, but you stated that they had played up and down in their college career. I have never seen Brown do it, Im pretty I have seen Boomer say he has never seen Orapko do it, and I honestly have seen very little tape other than highlights and Senior Bowl on English but you yourself say he has "Some what".

    OT's move inside ALL the time, especially college RT's who just arent athletic enough to play RT at the NFL level. Shawn Andrews moved from RT inside, Robert Gallery has made teh transition from LT to RT to LG, Max Starks has played inside for the Steelers at times and those are just guys I can think of off the top of my head.
     
  22. NickyNapoleon

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    http://forums.thephins.com/showthread.php?t=25926
     
  23. padre31

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    Boomer is a FSU fan, he is not wild about Brown, I'll take his word for it on him.

    Gallery busted out at LT first, he was a top 5 pick and busted, moving inside was an attempt to salvage something from the pick...INOW they didn't pick him to play Guard, he had to fail to get there.

    Starks was not a starter until the last two years, and even then, he wasn't drafted particularly highly and the Steelers were loaded on the Oline, he was more or less a back up when he arrived at Training Camp.
     
  24. Dannyg28

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    Branden Albert moved from guard in college to LT for the chiefs. I would think going outside to inside is easier than inside to outside.
     
  25. Nappy Roots

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    and i would like to hear his thinking on that, as a fellow FSU fan, we would of been up ****s creek without Brown destroying pretty much every pass play this season.
     

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