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LOST - Season 5

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  1. Ultra

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    I thought she looked familiar but I wasn't sure from what
     
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    theories from another site


    So... When Locke got shot... well, that connects with Season One when he was with Boone and suddenly lost his ability to walk???


    Okay... the compass that Alpert gives Locke at the downed Beechcraft is the compass he show's to Locke when Locke is a child. Is the knife John threw from the jungle to save James and Juliet the knife that he should have refused from Alpert as a child? Is Locke always choosiing violence over direction? I think it's intereting that as soon as he "comes home" and finds his people and his purpose they vanish. Ben's ultimate act of revenge for losing the role of leader?




    Also like the theory that the Chang baby is Miles... but it seems too obvoius, ya know?




    Charlotte can't remember her mother's maiden name, Daniel's mom works at Oxford, Mrs. Hawking is a scientist (with some fab-o retro computers)...I'm thinking at least Dan is Mrs. H's daughter, but could Charlotte be her daughter, too? And if so, then is Daniel really "in love" with her (ewww) or maybe we've not understood this is brotherly love the whole time???
     
  3. Ricky's Pipe

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    i liked the episode and the way the season is going to unfold. some thoughts:

    1) thought it was pretty cool to start the episode with a record that started skipping.

    2) how does richard know the next time he sees locke he wont recognize him (how does richard know where the next island skip is going to take them in time)

    3) that old lady has got to be faraday's mom right? and ben was so subservant to her, she must be heavily connected to the island.

    4) there is going to be alot of talks about "constants"

    5) i laughed when that new character got annoying and then soon got arrowed...you knew it was coming.

    6) the chinese guy from all the orientations film is my new favorite character...do you notice that he always uses a new name (dr. candle, halliwax, wickmond...and all have to with candles)

    I need to rewatch a bunch of stuff now.
     
  4. schmolioot

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    I think Richard is going to end up being a major catalyst for tying everything together.

    We've thought all along that he never ages but maybe he has somehow mastered the time travel capacities of the island to where he can skip around as he wishes, both on and off island.

    He was frusturated when young Locke didn't choose the compass because he already knew that he would give it to Locke in the future, same thing with his watching his birth. Maybe he expected Locke to be able to do the same, even at a young age.

    Similarly, maybe all "natural" others have this ability. This would explain why only Locke was unstuck in time while Richard and the rest did not start skipping. Same thing with Juliet, she only lived with the Others, wasn't a real one, hence she's unstuck.
     
  5. NJFINSFAN1

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    He said Locke told him, which means Locke gets back to him in the past and tells him where he will be I would guess.
     
  6. schmolioot

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    One of the issues that i'm curious to see how they deal with is just how long the island stays in one time period before moving on. It was fast and furious last night but you've got to believe it's going to slow down and leave them starned in one time period for awhile, particualrly if that really was Faraday hdiing out with the Dharma folks at the beggining. It has to take a while to infiltrate like that.
     
  7. Frumundah Finnatic

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    whats intresting is that apparently you cant change the past, but Faraday managed to give Desmond a message in the past that he "remembered"
    I guess there's a loophole in the rules?
     
  8. schmolioot

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    Well he said that Desmond was special, I guess due to his experiences in the hatch with the fail safe key.

    Maybe that's why Farraday had to shuffle Sawyer out of there, Des would have opened the door eventually.

    However, I don't think Farraday changed the past or future. He just was able to reach Desmond in the future by way of this new memory, putting Des on the path that fate has already decided for him, per Mrs. Hawking from a few seasons ago. Just like Charlie, Des couldn't stop his eventual death but he postponed it until a point at which it would be helpful for the rest of the castaways. More "influencing" the future rather than changing it.
     
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  9. Clark Kent

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    This show is always worth the wait, great episode. I'm already waiting on Wednesday.

    I called Mrs. Hawkings coming back. Interesting that she would help Ben.

    I wonder if LOSt is going the route of The Matrix with an architect (Jacob) and Oracle (Mrs. Hawkings)?
     
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    desmond is special due to his fail safe time. special like richard,ben in that he can jump both on and off the island. faraday realised that des had made it to oxford the first time when he realized ginger had also been jumping(bloody nose).

    i don't think the oceanic 6 are the islands constant as another poster pointed out. if the island did have a constant i would think it to be desmond,ben,richard. things didn't start to go really bad there until they left.
    also des,richard,ben and faraday seem to be the only ones not affected by jumping many times(some can onyl jump so much before the nosebleed then soon after they die).
     
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    Ben seemed to have two different colored eyes in this episode, a blue and a brown. Are they different from before, or is this the first time I'm noticing the difference? And if they are different, what does it mean????
     
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    ok so how is it possoble that desmond can be on the island and off the island at the same point? when faraday,sawyer..were at the station and faraday knocks then des answers the door. i was thinking that the rest of the oceanic six should be on the island but remembered that it was a "time" before the 6 got to the station. but when they skip "time" to a point to where they should be there on the island then wouldn't sawyer eventually run into jack and kate and the other six(not the present six)...or even sawyer running into himself?.

    i think thats why faraday rushed sawyer away! so he wouldn't run into himself from a different time but i see it happening soon.
     
  13. Ricky's Pipe

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    faraday is definitely going to be very importan tthis season...him and des seem to be able to go back and forth - especially with des being his constant.
     
  14. pennphinfan

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    so my buddy emailed me this link. if you have the time, it's really interesting, and if you believe a few core principles of it, it all works really. i find it hard to believe that this would be the 'answer' though, because it'd be really hard for them to explain all this to the average joe schmoe viewer. i was sorta lost reading it all. no pun intended of course

    www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.html
     
  15. Clark Kent

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    There really isn't a Joe Schmoe viewer for LOST. It's what makes the fans who've stuck out 4 seasons the next "trekies" or what not. You can't just turn on LOST and truly enjoy it. Every episode matters. You miss one, you've probably missed a clue or key info. Which is why it will be so satisfying come May 20 something 2010.

    I'll read your link in a sec, but theres a guy over at DarkUFO who has great info week in and out. His theories of everything are really impressive and he might be right in the end. So far, I'd say there isn't anyone more accurate with their predictions.

    edit: Read the link. I've heard that before. I think it's at least 75% wrong, if not more. There are major holes in this theory. One that stands out is that he believes the Others want the losties/Kelvin/Des to push the button. This is completely wrong. Ben wanted Locke to stop pushing the button. He convinced him that it was a sham (a lot of LOST fans hated Locke during this character ARC). Just one example... Good effort though. Obviously he/she worked hard on it.

    What Ben didn't count on was Desmond using the failsafe key. Ben seemed to know very little about wtf was going on. This action makes Des, as Daniel suggests, different and thus the rules do not apply to him.
     
  16. Ray Finkle

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    Still not sure how I feel about the whole time traveling thing but so far this season has been pretty solid and I'm enjoying it a lot.

    I still have no idea what the heck is going on with Daniel and Desmond and the whole time travel thing but I did like how the Richard meeting young Locke payoff worked out.
     
  17. Clark Kent

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    OMFG... BEST.SHOW.EVER.

    How's that for answers.
     
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    wow, great episode...:yes:
     
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  19. Frumundah Finnatic

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    Nice shout out to Charlie.
     
  20. Clark Kent

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    Does anyone think that the H-Bomb was burried in the Losties hatch? Remember Jack asking Syaid why the hatch would need 10 feet of concrete? Sayid said something about Chernobyl... Pushing the button WAS saving the world. The hatch released small amounts of radiation. MAYBE that was the "sickness"? But by the time the hatch blew up, most of the juice was gone.

    Seeing how we saw Locke tell Richard to see him as a kid, we connected one dot from a prior season. I'm thinking the Swan Hatch has the H-Bomb burried around it. Possibly why the blast happened (obviously there would be magnetic properties, too.

    Also, why does Richard/Others not know about time travel? They seem to lack any understanding of what's taking place whatsoever. It must mean Dharma discovered it all. Which means 20ish years later (70's) these properties were discovered. Which also confuses the **** out of me in regards to Jacob... Because he clearly exists prior to 1956.

    Also, the cute blonde soilder is named Ellie. During "The Lie" enhanced version, they said Mrs. Hawking's first name is Eloise... So Mrs. Hawking was on the island, and is Faraday's mother (he recognizes her)... Crazy ****.

    Next week looks great. I bet Ben is behind the testing. You know he's pulling out all the stops.

    Also, it looks like whispers will be explained. Same with Walt appearing out of no here to Shannon, talking backwards, and possibly Kate's phonecall, which was backwards, but said don't come back to the island.
     
  21. Ray Finkle

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    I was thinking more towards the line that the H-bomb is still buried on the island and it might be set off to finally blow up the island for good, didn't the guys Charles Winmore sent to the island talk about killing everyone? Perhaps this was what they were going to do. Although would an H-bomb thats over 50 years old still work?
     
  22. Clark Kent

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    I think Widmore wanted control of the island, not to destroy it. He was going to kill everyone with guns. Remember Michael asking why those soldiers had guns if they were on a rescue mission.

    I'm now 100% convinced that the bomb was buried under, or in the walls of the hatch. Sayid mentioned Chernobyl when Jack asked him why there was so much concrete. Faraday suggested using concrete to cover the Nuke. I'm just putting two and two together. The explosion was part of the nuke having little juice left. It's what caused the sickness, and why Kelvin/Des were told they were saving the world.

    That spot also had magnetic properties too.

    JMO. I'm thinking LOST is trying to connect the dots.
     
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  23. PeaTearGriffin

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    When they crashed and Rose was dying; what was she dying from? Was it cancer? If so, the radiation leak might explain why she was cured.
     
  24. Clark Kent

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    Yup. Cancer. Great catch.

    But I'd imagine the doctors would of tried it. Bernard only brought her to the voodoo healer guy in a last ditch effort. Plus Locke can walk... I dunno.

    Remember the opening scene in the premier? Daniel is at the Orchid while it's being built? That must of been an island flash. Of course that will only be dealt with in the season finale... Daniel is up to something.

    BTW, anyone else love Faraday as a new character? He's quickly becoming a fav of mine.
     
  25. schmolioot

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    This was my theory as well. As soon as she and Farraday walked off alone and started talking, I said to my wife that that was his mom. He showed absolutely no fear despite the gun in his face which to me went beyond his belief that you can't change the past and he showed genuine concern that she might get to close to the bomb which was leaking.
     
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    interesting thoughts guys, I also think that the Swan was housing the H Bomb. Now we just got to figure out what the fail safe key did...
     
  27. Ricky's Pipe

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    Farraday is a little bit of a bad ***, he loves them and then comatoses them or kills them with time travel. what a cassanova.
     
  28. Eop05

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    I just discussed these things with the guys at work. Don't worry, I gave you the credit.

    Good call with the Ellie chick. I didn't put that together until I read your post.

    Some good twists in that episode. Charles Widmore being on the island in the 50s as a soldier was a shocker to me. I can't wait to see how that turns out.
     
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    Sweet. The article mentions something I forgot. The others all speak Latin. Kinda of interesting, and may be a clue to the origins of the Islands beginnings... At least as "Others" are concerned. http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Latin

    That will likely be developed later on... I hope. Also, I gotta agree with the author of the article... Did anyone actually miss the O6? I could care less about any of them. Especially Kate and Jack. The island cool kids club is where it's at... Ben's involvement is the only thing holding my interest with that group.
     
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    *Great DarkUFO poster's insights into lost. Long read as always, but great stuff if you have the time. You'll be happy if you do.

    Just like with any other show, LOST has good episodes and bad ones. We've seen teaser episodes, filler episodes, wild boar-hunts, and of course the legendary Nikki/Paolo fiasco. After eighty-something viewing hours, I think we all know what makes a great episode: fast-paced, character-driven, dirty deep jungle action. This is Jughead, and I for one couldn't care less what the off-islanders are doing. Things I Noticed:

    Finally, a Reason for Charlie to be in Diapers
    Our opening scene appears at first to be a flash-forward, but in fact it takes place three years ago. As if Desmond and Penny's story weren't touching enough, they go one step further and name their kid after Charlie. Born in the Philippines, Charlie II brings uncharacteristic hope and happiness to LOST. While the rest of the characters are having a pretty dismal time, Desmond's life is going along good. Maybe this is because he avoids the real world, his boat functioning as an island all its own. Or maybe its because Desmond isn't one of the people who were not 'supposed' to leave the island, marking him with immunity from the weird crap Jack, Hurley, Kate and everyone else has gone through.

    Flash-forward to a three-year old Charlie, and Desmond is about to hit the mainland for perhaps the first time since he left the O6. His dream/memory from last episode was a few weeks ago at best, because we know he wouldn't have waited very long to sail to Oxford. Deep down we know that guilt will eventually bring Desmond back to the island, and Penny knows this all too well. By the time the episode's over, Widmore knows also. He and Ben both share a sneaky way of guiding people along while allowing them to think they're still making their own choices.
    That Double-Vision Always Seems to get the Best of Me
    Let me tell you all something: If I were blinking through time, seeing double, having massive headaches and then bleeding from my nose... and if there was a physicist who seemed to know WHY these things were happening to me... there would be an immediate and violent shakedown for some serious information. Instead, Charlotte only gives Daniel a wan smile. While it's touching that he's trying to keep her calm about her impending doom, if I were Charlotte I'd hire Sawyer to slap some more answers out of Faraday.

    Arzt II - Electric Boogaloo (A.K.A. You've Got Some Red Shirt on You...)
    Miles didn't exactly need his special powers to see that Claymore mine's tripwire, but those red-shirts met one of the most spectacular ends since Arzt played with Dynamite (nothing will beat Arzt though). In reference to the mines, Ellie's later claim of "We didn't put them here... you did" marks her as one of the Others, and also solidifies the long-thought theory that WWII soldiers once somehow made it to the island. The presence of American soldiers explains many things we've seen throughout all five seasons: the M1 Garand rifles, the pineapple grenade Locke puts in Miles' mouth, the various WWII-era pistols and even Goodwin's Army knife. Apparently the Others make use of the mish-mosh of weapons that find their way onto the island, which is why they attack with bows and arrows alongside grenades and rifles.

    The one thing this does NOT explain is something that's always bothered me since the pilot episode: the captain of flight 815 wears WWII pilot's wings. This alone could be chalked up to nostalgia, but then so do the flight attendants, and so does that rotten traitorous Cindy. These wings were issued to airmen only during the WWII era, and were changed just afterward. There's no logical reason for everyone on board to have a pair. Watch the pilot episode again - the camera even focuses specifically on the wings when Kate finds them in the jungle. I've often wondered if this was the thing the producers said that 'everyone missed' in the pilot (if it wasn't that unknown black tube next to Jack). In any case, I've now got a theory behind why this is happening.

    I think we've seen more than our fair-share of off-island agents. These are people who are "in the loop" - I mean that in more ways than one - and have been helping to guide the main characters through the current string of time. Take the butcher woman from last week. And now take the librarian from this week, who happens to be the very same woman (Jenna?) who Hurley hugs right before he gets on flight 815: http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-486-798.html She actually uses the phone and checks with someone named Hunter before letting Hurley on the flight, telling him that it's his lucky day. Was Hurley supposed to make the flight? The woman at the other counter didn't seem to think so. But Jenna helps get him on the plane, even after the Jetway closed.

    By now we can agree that sheer coincidence can be blown aside. I'm guessing that these characters have been implanting themselves at various points throughout time, showing up at the right moment(s) to help the main characters accomplish certain necessary tasks. Maybe some are Team Ben/Hawking, maybe some are Team Widmore. Either way they're all driving DeLoreans much the same way Richard showed up for the birth of Locke (and after this episode we now know why). Maybe every member of 815's flight crew was in on this, from Cindy and the flight attendants all the way up to the captain who took Frank's place that day. The only hole in that theory is that the captain seemed genuinely as shocked as the rest of the crash survivors, up until the moment he was eaten. But hey, it was day one, and maybe the whole story wasn't worked out yet.

    Miles - Stealing Sawyer's Thunder
    Miles lines are way improving. He was always funny, but he's fast becoming the sarcastic wiseass we've needed since Sawyer went soft. Not to be outdone, I think Sawyer's feeling the heat. He's coming back with some nice lines this episode: "Hate to bust up the I'm another You're another renuion" Hehe... And his "You *told* her?" line was great too.

    Note that Miles gets his vision of the four US soldiers when they walk over the 'fresh grave', meaning he can't just commune with the dead haphazardly. It seems he needs to be in proximity to the corpses, which explains why he asked to be led to Naomi's body. That doesn't explain him being able to read the spirit of Mrs. Gardner's grandson in his flashback though, although Miles did specifically call for his spirit that time. But even stranger, notice how Daniel doesn't question Miles ability at all - he simply asks if the spirit told him what year it was. I'm thinking maybe Daniel had prior knowledge of Miles abilities, or maybe happenings on the island are so way far out there that no one really questions such unbelievable things much at this point. OR...

    ... Maybe Daniel's a bigger key to the time travel puzzle than we originally thought: accumulating past and future knowledge the same way Ben and Locke currently are. We already know he's got a constant, which will keep his mind straight as he skips through time. We know for a fact that he eventually arrives at the Dharma era, and probably a whole lot of other time points. His brain is sharp, and the fact that he believes in and comprehends most of what's going on can't hurt either. And don't forget that Daniel also arrived on the island with existing precogniscent knowledge, as evidenced by him trying to predict the cards from last season. The donkey wheel hadn't even been turned yet.

    Further evidence: Ellie recognizes Daniel as someone who "couldn't stay away". I'm sure we'll see that scene eventually, but when she said that Daniel looked like he knew what she was talking about. Yet at this moment in this timeline, he wouldn't. He also deduced the whole bomb scenario VERY quickly, even for someone of his intellect. I'm thinking Daniel might be retaining knowledge of jumps he hasn't had yet (in this timeline) and knows a lot more than we think. All this accumulated knowledge may also be why it's so hard for him to explain things to people.

    Others - More Oldskool Than Ever Before
    Latin? If we ever needed an indication as to how long the Others have been around, the fact they're speaking such a dead language is a good indication they've existed since the 4-toed statue. At this point I'd like to give a shoutout to Hastenfist, who in the comments last week pointed out the quick, innocent scene where Sawyer stepped on something in the jungle. Some infection, a toe amputation, and a couple of time-skips later, Hastenfist theorized that maybe the statue itself would turn out to be a monument of Sawyer, built in tribute to him for something he does wayyyy in the past. Awesome idea, and I love it!

    Maybe it's Maybelline
    Not only is Richard's age a constant, his name is always the same too. Years, decades, even centuries pass, but Richard is always Richard. This is the Ying to the multiple-names Yang (Dr. Candle for example) we've seen throughout lost. And somewhere in the jungle someone air-dropped a whole crate of mascara.

    I'm Sorry to Repeat Myself But I'm Sorry to Repeat Myself
    Watch as Desmond is speaking to the recycled librarian woman, and behind them you'll see a model of what looks to be the trojan horse. I think this might be the same trojan horse we saw on a shelf in Ben's house, but I'm too lazy to go look up the screencaps. Additionally, watch as Locke and Richard are talking in his tent. Behind Richard is what appears to be the Geiger counter... and I say "the" because we've already seen it with Desmond in the Swan hatch. This makes a whole lot of sense: not only would the bomb-toting American batallion bring such a device with them, but Dharma might be storing one too (or found Richard's somehow). What doesn't make sense is why the Geiger counter shows up in Locke's apartment during his flashback in Season 1. Hmmm.

    Love, Romance, and a Razor-Thin 80's Tie
    Faraday and his tightly-knotted tie (at this point I don't think he can get it off) professes his love for Charlotte... she's got that cute backward thing going with her teeth and I can't say I blame him. He does it in the straightforward, non-subtle way of a true scientist. Charlotte's mock surprise and rehash of his words to Richard seemed to be her fishing to find out if he meant it. He's a super-elite time-travelling mega-dork, and she's totally crushing on him. As most of us already found out in college, chicks dig physics.

    What's not romantic however, is oogling your mom. Daniel knows this, which is why when Ellie accuses him of staring at her and calls him a Romeo, Daniel states "far from it". Ellie is destined to become Eloise Hawking, who many of us have already theorized is Daniel's mom. And if you want to go a step further and hook Ellie up with a young and dashing Charles Widmore, Penny becomes Daniel's sister (or at least half-sister). Desmond becomes Daniel's bro-in-law, and Daniel becomes uncle to little Charlie. We're going out on a limb to make these assumptions, but the LOST family tree grows in twisted directions.

    Nadia's Mugger and the Case of the Flaming Rats
    Desmond arrives back at Oxford to find that the only thing standing between him and Faraday's laboratory is a fumigation sign and a very ****ty lock. Pretty weak, unless he was meant to find that room. Funny how that guy shows up at exactly the right time, too. Dressed like the guy who mugged Nadia, he doesn't seem at all pissed off about Desmond being there. One informative and helpful conversation later he fades from my TV, leaving Desmond to continue his quest to find Faraday's mom. Was this guy sent by Widmore, or was he an agent of Ben? You make the call... because he certainly wasn't the janitor.

    Daniel Faraday... Making Girls Sick since the Mid-90's
    Teresa Spencer has a bad case of the Minkowskis. The recycled librarian would have Desmond believe this was Faraday's fault, but I'm guessing it had something to do with Charles Widmore. Faraday's experiments would've been limited only to his rats - especially if Teresa were the girl in that lab photo and he was romantically involved with her (hey, the guy likes redheads). But no, somehow something went accidentally wrong or Widmore, desperate to find the island again, pushed Daniel's research too quickly. This resulted in Teresa's sickness, which is one of the reasons why Widmore is financially supporting her. The other reason is to keep that avenue open, hoping that Daniel (or Desmond) comes back to see her. He can't be supporting her too heavily though, because her sister still works at Quick-Mart.

    This is why Daniel is so adamant about NOT letting the sickness happen to Charlotte. He knows what she's going through and knows the end result. Pack on the guilt for what happened to Teresa, and the burden on Daniel's shoulders seems heavier than ever before. Maybe that's why he pauses three seconds before every sentence.

    You Think he Knows This Island Better Than I do?
    This was an ultra-cool fade in to Locke overlooking the Others camp. Let's think about Locke for a minute. All the way back to season one, his knowledge of the island has always been uncannily great. We chalked it up to the island 'guiding' him, and I'm sure it was. But as he slowly gathers returning memories/knowledge this season, it's eerily remniscent of those times. Locke seems to know the shortest paths, he shows up at crucial moments to toss knives with expert precision and rescue people. Locke's "coming into" his role more and more with each passing episode.

    "He's one of my people" - did Locke have a memory flash there? Or is he acting on the assumption that since Jones (Widmore) was an Other, he must one day be led by Locke? I think he's learning, but most importantly, he's *retaining* knowledge from loop to loop. Each time they jump, Locke might be recalling past memories from time-jumps he hasn't yet made and these are being incorporated into his memory. Trippy.

    Yet suddenly, Locke self-touting himself as Jacob's chosen one has a nagging echo of falsehood to it. When he said those words to Richard, something really bugged me about it... almost as if such a conclusion were too obvious for LOST. Remember how disappointed Richard was when young Locke couldn't pick all the correct items that belonged to him (more evidence of past memory retainment). Locke should've known the compass was his because Richard had given it to him, time and time again, in past loops. Locke failed Alpert's test, and I'm thinking from that moment on Richard knew Locke wasn't destined to be their future leader. Richard still needs Locke though, because Locke must leave the island to bring back the O6. Unfortunately for John Locke, perhaps his only destiny is to be a sacrificial character.

    Someone Set Us Up the Bomb!
    Back at the atomic warhead, Ellie is naggingly (motherly?) persistent enough to get answers out of Daniel. This is kinda frustrating, considering he spent most of last season denying the 815'ers (and us!) any kind of answers whatsoever. Even Sawyer was disappointed... "You told her?"

    Daniel's mention of concrete may have solved yet another old mystery as well: Jughead could very well be what's behind the concrete wall of the Swan hatch. I remember Sayid saying something about the wall being warm, and the instability of the radioactive material could explain why a button needs to be pushed every 108 minutes. This also reinforces why the Geiger counter would be in the Swan hatch. Would the timer counting down to zero or the turning of the failsafe key set Jughead off? Maybe. Or maybe 50 years later enough degredation had occured to keep the bomb from exploding. Dunno, but Jughead certainly ends up somewhere fifty years from now, and the Swan is as good a place as any.

    Wild Theory: What if the bomb plays an important role in the final few episodes of LOST, and Desmond's prophetic "you've got to lift her up" line to Jack has something to do with Jughead? I'm sketchy on that, but the thought occured to me. It always seemed like Desmond knew exactly what he meant when he said that line, almost as if he were planting important knowledge in Jack's head to be used at a future time. That line wasn't for nothing, and it sure as hell didn't pertain to Sarah's ankle.

    Namaste, You Neck-Snapping Maniac!
    The fact that 1954 Charles Widmore is on the island is no big surprise to us, but it was really cool to see a younger version of him. As that storyline plays out we should hopefully find out how and why he ends up leaving the island, which will probably be involuntary. I'm more interested in seeing *why* he wants to return to the island. I suppose the island is Disneyland compared to the normal, mundane world... but young Widmore must obtain some sort of power or happiness on the island that he doesn't have on the mainland. Something that no amount of money or power could ever buy him.

    Older Widmore seems unconcerned with keeping or holding Desmond, but maybe that's because he truly has an interest in Penny's well being. He knows that Desmond is with her and will always protect her. In a way, Desmond is a great insurance policy. He's the game-changer, meaning there's no one better when it comes to keeping bad things from happening.

    Widmore urges Desmond not to get involved. But then he says "Deliver your message". What message? How does he know Desmond has a message? Widmore slipped up here. He already knows what Desmond's doing, where he's going, and why. He must approve of it because instead of stopping him he actually helps out. It's obvious to me that Widmore is working to guide Desmond back to the island (sans Penny). Widmore will invaribly try to hitch that ride, or maybe he'll just follow Desmond to LA in order to find Mrs. Hawking, who may or may not be an old flame.

    Penny Has a Finely-Tuned Bull**** Detector, and Desmond Just Buried the Needle
    Desmond really, really sucks at lying. Yet Penny loves him anyway, and now they're going to LA, setting themselves up for a reunion with the O6. I just hope Penny says away from Ben or there could be HIGH drama.

    The Upcoming Future Past
    In the end, I'm psyched to see more time-flashes! I want to see the way distant past: the temple and the statue and the Others all speaking Latin with Juliet having to translate everything they say while Sawyer and Miles make sarcastic comments. I want to see the birth of the smoke monster, the origins of the Black Rock, Danielle and her lunatic crew. Even better, I want to see a flash of the future - maybe the horrible, terrible future of the island (and the world?) that Ben and Hawking are trying so desperately to avoid. LOST has been given the license to do unlimited cool stuff... these next weeks should absolutely rock.


    http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/01/things-i-noticed-jughead-by-vozzek69.html#comments

    This is the guy I was talking about. He's really great to read concerning LOST. This isn't a spoiler or anything. Just a recap with his observations. I read it every Thursday.

    Get your *** in here Motion... Geez.
     
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    Tonight's was a bit disappointing after last weeks good show.
     
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    Yea it wasn't so great but not all of them can be winners. I think the main thing is we're finally going to see what happened with Danielle and company.

    I also think now it's fairly obvious that Miles is in fact Dr. Cheng's baby in the first episode of this season after the comment made by Daniel.
     
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    I agree, although it was no surprise once I realized this would be a Kate centric episode. In 4+ seasons, she hasn't had a "good" episode yet.

    Also, I agree with Ray. I think its a near certainty that Miles is Cheng's son.

    I wasn't a big fan of Jin surviving a freighter blast with that much C4 on board (I guess realistic went out the window with the whole time travel/island moving thing), but I am now very interested to see the interaction between Rosseau's group and Jin.

    Anyone have some theories as to who that group was that attacked Sawyer and Co. on the canoe? It was clearly at some point in time after the Losties left their beach camp.
     
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    I'm not agreeing with the (relative) hate; I found last night's episode to be very enjoyable. I love the brisk clip the show is moving at now.
     
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    I liked last nights but it didn't rise to the level of Jughead.

    Ben has sure corraled the O6 pretty quickly. How many hours are left in Ms. Hawkings 70 hour countdown?

    And are Des and Penny sailing to LA or flying? I'd imagine he's got to show up in the next episode or so.

    I have a feeling that once we get past the next show or so, we'll be ehading back to a more traditional flashback set up where we see Locke meeting with each O6
     
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    I'm also not a fan of Kate episodes so last night was just meh for me. Although I was wondering if all this time travel on the island is the whispers they were originally hearing and when Shannon saw Walt grown up...
     
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    Whispers maybe, but don't think so about Shannon and Walt. 1. Walt wasn't "grown up" when she saw him, same age as when he left the island. 2. Walt isn't part of the time traveling flashy things, so he couldn't be appearing to Shannon in that manner. Unless 3. He is part of the time traveling flashing thing and we just don't know it yet...
     

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