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Update on Hakeem Nicks

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by CrunchTime, Feb 8, 2009.

  1. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

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    He is learning how to run the 40 yrd dash at the combines with hopes of getting drafted higher than expected .

    I would just as rather he ran slow .Football instincts are more important than track speed IMO but to Scouts it could be the difference of a first round to a third round grade and there is a lot of money difference in between those rounds.

    http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2009/feb/08/football-ex-north-carolina-receiver-nicks-leads-pl/
     
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  2. ncdolfan

    ncdolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm a UNC grad and have watched Nicks for 3 years. He seems to have that "it" factor and would love to see him in a Dolphins uniform next year. I'm thinking I'd like to Dolphins to go OL/LB in the 1st round, but would love to see Nicks available with pick #44.
     
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  3. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

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    I agree bro .He will make it in the NFL .He has nice size and good football instincts
     
  4. mi2cents

    mi2cents New Member

    I heard an interview with him....friday, on the miller/moulton show-770am and i sure hope he can comprehend the playbook better than he can speak at an interview and think on his feet. It sounded like they were asking questions of a "special ed" student instead of a college student....sorry i should have said college sports person instead of "student"
     
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  5. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    One guy who needs to learn how to run is Gartrell Johnson. Aside from offensive linemen I'd swear he's the only guy I've seen who actually looks like he's running slower when he opens up 4th gear than when he opens up 3rd gear.
     
  6. ASUFinFan

    ASUFinFan Uh huh

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    I would love to pair Hakeem Nicks with Bess and Ginn!
     
  7. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Lol, very true. I think that's part of the reason he was a fullback at first and stepped in at the running back spot once an injury occurred prior to the season I believe.
     
  8. RBrown23

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    I would really like to have Nicks in a Miami uni
     
  9. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    Over Yonder
    If we take a first day WR, he better be the next Anquan Boldin. By that, I mean he better be able to contribute from day one. IMO, we will need our top picks to be starting THIS year. To me, that says we go LB, DT, LB/S with our first 3 picks. Although Nicks would be awesome to have, he's not the type of player that makes this draft unique. We can find another Nicks next year, or any year after that. I think this is a great year to improve our front seven.
     
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  10. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I never subscribed to the line of thought that a player must start his first year or we shouldn't draft him early.
     
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  11. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    He could be a LeRon McClain type player. He has great vision and burst. I think he is going to be a fine RB.
     
  12. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    thats not what i said. i said that this year we need our top picks to contribute as starters.
     
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  13. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    We should draft him just in case Crowder leaves via FA.

    Finsgirlie is going to need a new player to complete obsess over. ;)
     
  14. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I have heard somebody say that every year. I don't think there's ever a year where you should use that philosophy.
     
  15. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I hear people say that about 1st and 2nd round players all the time. I heard people say that Jake Long would be a bust if he didn't start at LT last year. Its just a bad philosophy. If we had followed that we would have not drafted a Dwight Stephenson who only played ST his first year. There are many other examples.
     
  16. KMoorez

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    I'd wet myself if Nicks fell to #44!!!
     
  17. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    :sad:
     
  18. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    But at the same time, in salary cap football one could argue that the value in draft picks is getting underpaid talent. You only get that underpaid talent for four years before their salary starts to match up with their talent level. If you take a guy that is not going to be useful for one or two years, you're only getting three-quarters down to half the value of a guy that could be useful for all four years.

    I don't particularly like your Jake Long example because he was taken in part because they knew he'd be ready to play immediately, whether that be LT or RT it doesn't matter he was going to start and he was going to have an impact. Look at that fact next to someone like a Vernon Gholston, whom they supposedly liked (remember all of the rumors that said they were deciding between Jake Long and Vernon Gholston?)...the difference may have been that Long was ready to make an impact immediately.
     
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  19. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    With the Long example I wasn't claiming that the team thought he wouldn't start but rather that people were using starting in the first year as a barometer of ultimate success, which I disagree with. That seemed to be what Gish was saying, that to have a successful 1st pick he had to start from day 1. And that therefore we should limit our draft board to positions that are more likely to start immediately.

    And I agree that the salary cap has changed the thinking for some. However, I believe that limiting your draft board for that reason does more harm than good. You will ultimately end up missing out on some great talent.
     
  20. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    And I think the flip side of the coin is that when you see a guy rated that high on your board who isn't predicted to be a starter right away, you might have to start questioning that discrepancy because sometimes these ratings systems are not reflective enough of a player's true worth, and there has to be a pretty high correlation between guys that are ready to make an impact immediately and guys that have successful careers.
     
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  21. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The guys got first rounder written all over him...i canrt even believe there are some that project him in the 2nd.
     
  22. sports24/7

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    Here's hoping he runs well enough to solidify his place as a Dolphins target at 25, but not well enough to get drafted higher.
     
  23. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    I'd be thrilled to get Nicks.

    And here's what I think of 40-times in general....

    http://sea.scout.com/2/731238.html


    There are some of the fastest 40 times, according to Scout.com, from the history of the NFL combine since they began tracking it.

    I see THIRTEEN Wide Receivers on that list..... yet only TWO turned out to be very good, imo. Those are Chambers and Moss.

    So, do I care about speed? Not unless the guy can't break 4.75 at a skill position.
     
  24. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    It's like you say Chambers' name and it conjures Aqua into appearing.

    (you have some sort of filter that alerts you when his name is entered in a thread?)
     
  25. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Seriously though, I will take TECHNIQUE, great routes, great HANDS, and great situational field-smarts over a low 40 time.

    I mean, the WR has to be ballpark NFL measurables, is all. No 5'5" guys who run 4.98 40's.

    But a 6'0" guy who runs a 4.6 and has all the things I mentioned above... I'd love to have him. ESPECIALLY if he has long arms and a decent vertical too.

    What I most want to see when I watch a wideout, to be honest, is that he knows WHERE he should be and WHEN, and that he positions himself well in relation to the CB once the ball is in the air.
     
  26. sports24/7

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    40 times and speed in general are not the most important thing, but I do think 40 times matter. For a player at a certain position at a certain size there are ranges you'd like to see them fit into. There are cases of players running poor 40s and still becoming good players, but not only does it tell you how fast a player is, it can tell you how hard of a worker they are along with the other drills that are run at the combine. A player that does better than expected probably worked their tail off preparing for the combine and that's obviously a trait you like to see in a player. Someone who tests worse than expected may not have taken it serious enough, and might cause you to wonder what kind of work ethic the kid has.
     

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