Well... To be fair, Texas is a great hitting park. Everyone knew his HR production would drop in Yankee Stadium. I'm not saying steroids didn't help, but there's a few different explanations and variables to go along with the steroid use. That's also the problem in determining his true greatness. I'm not convinced he didn't do roids in Seattle. He didn't have pressure there? Trying to get that insane contract of his says otherwise, IMO.
Well one thing is for sure. Alex probably just took himself out of the running for HOF. However, the more we hear the more we realize all the stars during those few years (early 00's) were doing roids. Just becoming one big stain on Baseball.
steroids in relation to the HOF seems ridiculous to me. It would probably be eaiser to name all the players who didn't do steroids in baseball than those who did.everyone was doing it at the time, not sure why those caught shouldn't be able to get in the hall
everyone cheated. is it really cheating if everyone did it? more players probably juiced in that era than didn't. you honestly have to act under the assumption that everyone juiced unless proven otherwise.
how do you know the guys in the hall did it fairly? an article came out on espn that the 1963 San Diego Chargers used steroids, whos to say that baseball players didn't use them back then? and do we just completely eliminate this entire era from the hall? do we not allow anyone into the hall? because you know that more than just those caught have used PEDs.
Fixed. That doesnt necessarily prove that steroids actually helped him though. After all The Ballpark at Arlington plays basically like Coors field in that its going to inflate your homerun stats. Factor in also that those teams were literally all offense with Blalock, Young, Teixera, etc. and the top tier talent that was there will help any player improve his stats on offense. So lets get this straight (and Im sorry if this comes across as ripping you, its not meant that way Michele) but: -You're saying not only that he lied but that its Ok to do so, in part because of who he was interviewed by? - Ms. Roberts was NEVER removed from the UM campus. She went in to the weight room looking for Alex and was told where he could be found by security. This is straight from her mouth in an interview on WFAN earlier today. http://www.wfan.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=3435361 - The Duke Lacrosse thing HAS NOTHING to do with this. Every reporter has been wrong once. - The other 104 names may not have been found out yet. - Its not defamation if its true. There's no need to feel bad for Yankee fans. After all, he didnt do steroids in a NYY uniform. Well in A-Roid's defense Im not sure why he would hide doing it in another location when hes admitting to doing it in Texas? Doesnt make much sense. No need to eliminate the whole generation from the HOF, just the guys who have been caught. Plus, when guys like David Wright are saying stuff like below, I think its only a percentage, not a majority that were doing PED's. Per Adam Rubin - NY Daily News Blog: David Wright suggested A-Rod is probably the best player ever to play the game, but Wright doesn't condone his taking steroids. "Being that it is having to do (with the team) crosstown, I try to stay out of it as much as possible," Wright said. "But I think you can't ever condone cheating. With that being said, I think he did a tremendous job in honing up to it. ... I think this can be a learning tool not only for kids but for his peers." Per Newsday Blog: David Wright praised Alex Rodriguez for coming clean on his PED use during Monday's interview with ESPN, but also took a hard-line against cheaters. "I hope that anybody who cheats get caught," Wright said. "Maybe its me being naïve, but I think baseball is clean. You would have to be either very desperate or flat-out stupid to try and beat the system now." That said, Wright still believes that A-Rod is "a tremendous player" and laughed when someone asked about comparing himself to the Yankees' third baseman in the wake of these revelations. "He's better than me," a smiling Wright said.
How do you make sure no player that has ever taken roids gets into the hall. a person whos never tested postive could easily slip through the cracks.
this arod crap has gone too far it's all sportscenter is talking about i see it everywhere gahhhhh SHUT UP about it already
You cant. You just kick them out if theyre found out. Problem solved. The best part of this is going to be the fate that awaits Don Fehr and Gene Orza. I hear Court Marshals are nice this time of year for tipping players off.
I feel ya man. i think we're all desensitized to it from a "it shouldnt be a surprise standpoint" but it is kind of a big deal. I mean its not some scrub but now of the top 5 players in baseball over the last few years being found out.
i'm talking about lying in the couric interview. you cant rip him for that. put yourself in his shoes, guaranteed you would lie too.
I thought it was shabby journalism or cowardice that Peter Gammons allowed that attack on Ms. Roberts by A-Roids. I have to be thinking that A-Roids only allowed the interview with Gammons acknowledging he would trash Ms. Roberts and Gammons not allowed to defend her at all, which if true is classic yellow journalism.
BDH which college did you play for ? I ask because I wonder if I ever saw you and Hardcore play because I am a HUGE college baseball fan, Hurricane Season Ticket holder since 1975 (well my parents bought them until I went to school at Miami in 1978) and have seen hundreds of guys come through to play for or against Miami (saw Randy Johnson with U$C, Chase Utley with UCLA, Dieon Sanders at Florida St, Kotsay with Cal St Fullerton, Kevin Brown at Georgia Tech, etc etc etc). I have a real passion for college baseball, as I see it a bit more pure than professional baseball (at any level) as the guys are amatuers and their emotions and play are all heart.
I'm not a big Gammons guy but I don't think it's fair to rip Gammons here. He probably had to agree to Arod's terms and guidelines in order to get the one on one interview with Arod. There were a lot of places where Gammons should have asked a follow up question but didn't, I don't think it was because Gammons is dumb or clueless but probably because he wasn't allowed to. I'm sure if Gammons had free rule he'd ask Arod much tougher questions than the cupcakes he asked him in the interview.
We dont mind a little crassness and myself especially am not overly sensitive about it. However some of our members are so its a courtesy to them to be at least somewhat polite. I didnt think there would be hard feelings from you as you seem to roll with the punches; see above comments
I would have passed on the interview then, because his creditintials are called into question here now.
Im not going to make a separate thread for this but first Schilling, then Wright, now Oswalt and Berkman are speaking up against all the roiders. We need more players like this and the more players who speak their mind, the more likely it is to force change: "A-Rod's numbers shouldn't count for anything," Oswalt said in a phone interview with MLB.com. "I feel like he cheated me out of the game." Oswalt said he feels that way about a lot of players who have been proven steroid users. He still gives former teammate Roger Clemens the benefit of the doubt, calling the allegations against him "suspicion," but if Clemens is indeed proven to have used performance-enhancing drugs, then his numbers, and all seven Cy Young Awards, need to be erased, according to Oswalt. Oswalt also said he is bothered by the blanket of suspicion that has covered all players from his era because of the actions of those who have tested positive. Oswalt broke into the big leagues in 2001, won 19 games in 2002 and 20 in both 2004 and '05. He says he did so without the help of PEDs, and that he resents anyone who chose to cheat. "It does bother me," Oswalt said. "Especially for the guys that went out there and did it on talent. We're always going to have a cloud on us, and that's not fair at all. "The ones that have come out and admitted it, and are proven guilty, [their numbers] should not count. I've been cheated out of the game," http://blogs.chron.com/baseballblog/archives/2009/02/oswalt_separate.html
please though, are the only players he wants their numbers banned are the players that tested positive or admitted? thats very few as far as names that actually has came out. if he wants to defend clemens then he should be OK with McGwire or Sosa's stats?
I agree it should be more clear but at least players are starting to understand the fans perspective. Baseball has started to clean their game up but if stuff like below is true they also have a ways to go. The more big names like wright schilling, oswalt and berkman speak up the more likely things will continue to get clean again. And players like that should want to speak up so when the HOF voting comes at the end of their career voters will know who vote for. I would think a recent retiree like a Mike Mussina would also have a vested interest in this. The New York Post reports that Players Association chief operating officer Gene Orza "alerted Alex Rodriguez about an upcoming drug test in early September 2004." In recapping the Sports Illustrated story on Rodriguez, the newspaper also notes that "a top baseball official was concerned that the superstar third baseman may have still been using performance-enhancers as a Yankee." Meanwhile, Hank Steinbrenner said Tuesday that the Yankees will not attempt to void Alex Rodriguez's contract and "giggled at the idea of trading" him. Fans and media members may be up in arms about Rodriguez admitting that he used steroids while with the Rangers, but it figures to have little bearing on his playing status. Feb. 11 - 10:29 am et Source: New York Post
I don't know, the guy is being chosen to have the interview of the year. I think the majority of the people out there know Gammons' hands were tied.
Anyone else see Arod's interview today? I think it did more harm than good as it came off as him lying again. Now everyone is going to try and find his cousin and I'm sure people are going to bring up the legal questions of bringing over the PEDs from the DR to the US. Also it was reported in a NY paper that Arod called up the reporter who broke the story to apologize to her for claiming she was stalking him etc.
Really does start to make me sick with the overall ARROGANCE of these guys. Alex...so you did not know they were steroids??? Where have I heard that one before??? Top Athletes in the world and they have no idea what they are INJECTING into thier own bodies...WOW..guess there must be a memo out by the Players Union on a standard answer to all this..Pure and unmitigated DISGRACE!
INCREDIBLE ego's on these SOB's. It's a disgrace what they do to the game. Who the hell thinks they're entitled to inject cheat at a sports highest level, get paid millions of dollars, become a hero to thousands of people, and then LIE about how they got there.
The problem is very few if any just come out and say I did it..I screwed up..everyone was doing it but it still does not make it right. They are so concerned with thier records and how it might diminish thier careers..yet by blatantly lieing about it...do they think ANYONE is buying it?
I really think it's a slap in the face of everyone saying that 'they didn't know what they were taking or what it could do'. You are a pro baseball player who makes 25 million a year and you're not asking doctors or trainers about it? And it's illegal in the US but you're still taking it? That's the part that bugs me. I understand you took riods, everyone else did too, but don't insult us. And I'm not just talking about Arod but everyone else too. I really can't wait for the guy that gets caught and said he simply did it to make more money and make his stats look better.
More holes in A-Rods story A: Angel Presinal, banned after an October 2001 incident involving an unmarked gym bag full of steroids, has been an associate of Rodriguez dating back to his time with the Texas Rangers, several sources told the paper. One said Presinal accompanied Rodriguez for the entire 2007 season, staying in a hotel room during road trips with the cousin Rodriguez pegged three days ago as his steroid source from 2001-03. The cousin was identified Thursday as Yuri Sucart. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9243616/Report:-A-Rod-linked-to-trainer-banned-by-MLB?FSO2&ATT=MA B: They are talking about it on WFAN, the stuff A-Rod failed for that he said he got in the DR, is not legal like he said, it is illegal and never has been legal even with a prescription. Numerous pharmacies in locations such as La Romana, Santiago, San Pedro de Macoris, Bani and barrios like Juan Baron and Palenque told ESPNDeportes.com that the substance Primobolan is not available for legal purchase, over-the-counter or even with a prescription http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/29294521/
