Ok I honestly dont want to get to far into this but Ill straighten out a few misconceptions for those curious....yes that is way to much if you are actually taking what you think you were taking.. Pharmaceutical grade steriods are NOT found in mexico.. your local gym dealer is NOT dealing in pharmaceutical grade stuff and what he does get thats "legit" he is keeping for himself... What most are likely getting is low grade testerone more than likely cypionate and any oral they are getting are low grade Dianabol....so when "so and so" tells you he is "hooking" you up with some deca winstrol Equipoise Finajet etc etc what you are actually getting is probably closer to 100mg cyp and some peanut oil.. buyer beware and believe me I have seen morons taking doses that high of the "good" stuff and its not pretty.. one gentleman was going for his max bench 5+ wheels and I heard an audible "pop" at the bottom of the rep and he blew a 6 inch swath of snot and blood down his shirt on his legs.. he had blown a blood vessel in his sinus and his bloodpressure was some crazy 190 over 120 when the ambulance picked him up.
Hmmmmmm, I never considered myself a moron, just someone that was always the skinny guy trying to get bigger. But I will say this stuff did come from Mexico, but maybe I am a moron, because I got this stuff off the internet ......the message board was named SculptedbyIron. I don't think its around anylonger. Probably not the smartest thing to do. I only did 6 shots in total, and then abandoned the cycle because of the things it was doing to me. Okay, so what would be the correct amount for some guy like Cushing to take ? Would it be a different size cycle becuase he is an elite athlete as opposed to someone like myself that was just a regular guy ?
Like I said before that was refuted by Zeke who thinks all roids available are from Mexico and all dealers you get them from will be giving you the phony stuff...Cushing is on at least 500mg of Test enanthate or cypionate weekly along with at least 200mg of Deca/week. With any decent connections you can get this as Mexican Deca and Sustanon 250 which is a combo of different acting Testosterones. If you have an even better connection, you can get American pharmaceutical grade Test Enanthate and Deca...and possibly even Anavar/oxandrolone or Winstrol. Or if you feel like a trip to Mexico, you can bring back Test (Also Sustanon and Sten), Deca (you can taste Deca to tell it's deca and its potency), winstrol, Primobilan, and Equipoise. I know all of this for a fact. The reason Gholston looks different than Cushing is bc he is more cut and vascular which is from adding in a hardening steroid to your stack like Anavar. Cushing obviously isn't doing so. And the body builder looks like the body builder bc he's a body builder. His life revolves around working out, not football...and he doesn't participate in events that would take away from his size- like football. The body builder will also take a higher dosage/ more serious stack which is why he also looks bigger. There isn't one degree/type of steroid use that only gives one type of result. For beginner gains, a stack of 200-400 test/week with 150-200 deca will suffice. See how your gains are and if you want more, then you just increase. For testosterone deficiences doctors can prescribe doses of Test for 100-150mg /week which doesn't do crap....so I'm not sure what dosages youre talking about Zeke. LOL Posted via Mobile Device
you try to make it seem like it's black and white when it's not. Have you ever actually juiced? Posted via Mobile Device
I wonder if Mexican quality has fallen off then? A friend of mine who used to live in Prescott, AZ would go across and buy steroids on a regular basis. Back in the late 80s time frame. Deca and Dbol mostly as I recall. His GF at the time, later wife, would carry it out, because she was a petite little thing who would not draw suspicion. He would walk across alone a few minutes apart. He told me later how stupid that was to risk her safety even though the odds were low, but admitted he was young and dumb then. Anyway, he said it was the real deal and it worked fine. Bill Phillips used to talk about some of the good ones you can find down there, although counterfeit stuff was rampant too. You can find the real deal, genuine stuff in Thailand if one wants to travel that far. If someone wants to live there and work out full time, you can pack on some muscle. Of course bringing back it here would be very risky and not worth it. It is also legal in Costa Rica. You can walk into a pharmacy, buy injectables like Deca and the pharmacist would administer the shot for you right there if you wished. IMO, unless someone is a serious hardcore bodybuilder, steroids are an unnecessary risk. There is plenty of legal stuff that works well, if combined with a good routine and nutrition.
I agree, because I've seen it. Some of that EAS creatine is excellent. I can't recall the name, but they used to sell some that fizzed like Alka Seltzer and you didn't need to load, just take it a half hour before working out. That stuff made a noticeable difference. Riboforce or something like that.
I respect your opinion a lot on this, but I think in this case Zeke is closer to right. For Cush to get the size he shows in pumped up pics would not require those dosages, and IMO not necessarily even steroids at all. I've seen a lot of guys that size who just ate right, lifted steady, and used good creatine, also perhaps one of the legal steroid precursors like Androstendione or a variation of it. I don't mess with any of it anymore, so I'm not even sure if Androstendione is even legal now.
I dont hear you talk about receptor burnout halflife any of that and your talking about QUALITY stroids out of mexico PLEASE stop talking about it...you seem like a pretty good guy but the advice your giving out is exactly the definition of bad atm.
Well I was doing 500cc a week for about 4 weeks and then stopped. It was my 1st (and only) cycle and it was supposed to last 10 weeks with one week of clomid following to give me the anti-estrogen. I have been around bodybuilders as friends, and gym aquaintences for years now. Some have juiced, some have not. I can usually tell the difference.
Zeke, i respect what youre saying and especially that youre trying to look out for peoples well being here If Mexico I has become that bad in the past few years, then I'll retract what I said, but I never said Mexican stuff is quality... although Sustanon is a testosterone of choice by many and Primoblan is probably at the top of the list in it's category. I went to Cancun multiple times, and everytime I went, the stuff I brought back for myself and friends was real. However there was one Nandrolone that seemed more potent than the rest. Yes, the stuff is not American pharmaceutical quality...but it was real and everyone I knew who used the same stuff at Clemson got roughly the same results from similar dosages. On Sustanon 250-500/Nandrolone 200/Equipoise 150/ week I went from 162-185 in 3 months. People knew that I was getting bigger and stronger, but didn't suspect it was from Roids...not even my gym partner. My strength went up greatly, but people thought I was just strong in general. Then I had a non roid related accident that took me back to square 1. I moved back to Florida and had a connection with a gay friend from work (these are the best connections to have in south Fla ) He was close with a doctor who could get pharmaceutical test enanthate, Organon Deca, and Oxandrin (Anavar) 8mg tablets. On a similar cycle of 200-400 test/200 deca/ and 150 Anavar/week, I saw virtually the same results as the stack from Mexico....only I had no acne on my pharmaceutical stack (neither stack did I see roid rage, but my energy increased, libido went through the roof, my joints felt great, and I didn't get sick for a year...and I had similar results to he and his friends who were on the same cycle. You couldn't tell we were juicing, but we looked awesome. My friend was 45 and looked like he was 34 and had been cycling on and off for many years. I've tried very light cycles of pharmaceutical 150-200 test/100 deca week and saw minimal results. When I lived in Orlando 2 years ago I had a friend who was an employee at an AIDS clinic who would sell off bottles of Pharm Test Cypionate and Nandrolone Decanoate made by Steris Laboratories. I cycled 200-400test/200deca week with similar results: good but not huge gains in weight and strength. There are also "phony" clinics who are set up to sell roids for reasons of sexual enhancement etc. There's one in South Fla that I bought from 3 years ago...and I still get emails from them. I respect what you say Zeke, but I haven't experienced anything in 10 years that you are referring to....and the huge bodybuilders in my gyms (IE: the size of Cushing 6'2+ and 255lbs) were on stacks at least double to triple mine while adding in toxic roids like Dbol and Anadrol ....of which I NEVER reccommend to anyone. For the record for everyone....I suffered a line drive to my head in Batting Practice from a Florida state home run champ in high school that damaged my pituitary which inhibited my natural test production. Dr's prescription of Clomid didn't really work so I started juicing....paying attention to half lives and proper tapering etc. I have full blood work every year or so and have no problems with my liver etc. I also take multiple nutrient supplements that I have down to a science as far as preventing cancer, illness, and disease, slowing aging, stopping and preventing Fibromyalgia and arthritis; preventing MS, Parkinsons, Alzheimers, birth defects in kids; stopping allergies and intestinal disease/disorders...and so on and so on. If anyone wants to know the secret cocktail to life, just PM and I'll be glad to help. I learned this through years of experience and trial and error....and have helped friends/family rid themselves of Fibro. PS....I'm 5'9 with a sub mesomorphic frame (natural muscular build on smaller frame, bones, joints etc). I was one of the top athletes in my school and weighed 145 Senior Year HS. Fresh and Soph year of Clemson I ate 4000-5000 calories/day while taking Creatine and HMB and working out 4-5 times/week, I gained 7 pounds in 2 years...to 152. The 1st Mexican cycle I mentioned took me to 166 in 3months. I lost about 4 pounds after tapering off and stopping for a few months...and on the 2nd cycle that included Sust, deca, and Equipoise, I went from 162 to 185 in 3 months....tapered off again and stayed steady at 178-180 until I had an accident and couldn't work out for a year. So in roughly 1 year of said use gained 30 pounds. My runnng speed improved drastically. I remember rounding the bases in intramural softball thinking: "Holy $#!t, I'm haulin *** right now!" Teammates even commented about my speed. I also played Golf at the time, and people would stand behind me at the driving range in awe. LOL. The backstop net was 275 away and probably 50 feet tall bc there was a house behind it....and with my Big Bertha driver in 1998, I would consistently drive balls off the middle to upper net and actually clear it every 5 drives or so. My 5 Wood was bouncing to the net. Before I juiced, my Driver was the one bouncing to the net. LOL. I even drove the green on a 365 yard par 4. ....and my vertical increased from being able to grab a Bball net half way up to almost dunking. And again, no one suspected I was juicing. People asked how I was getting bigger and stronger and I always said creatine....as did everyone else I knew who took them when they were asked. LOL
I never said anything about black market garbage not giving results..if you think you are stacking 3 diff types of steriods and it turn out to be just cyp you are still going to get bigger and stronger...but to trust your local gymrat or the internet with something that important is foolhardy to say the least. Im not going to get into my background or my knowledge level take my advice or don't I won't be posting anymore in this thread on this subject except one last observation...more isn't allways better and never trust a fart. and Todd im not saying what you have done or haven't done apply to what Im saying.
What you just said now, Zeke...I completely agree with. thinking you're taking xyz and you're really taking 700mg week of test wouldn't be the greatest thing. That I definitely don't reccomend. And as far as trusting a gym rat...I totally agree! I don't condone steroid use. It's just like anything. Take it at your own risk as you will probably agree, Zeke. The worst part of juicing is getting addicted to the extra size, strength, energy etc to where you dont ever want to stop and you move onto higher dosages, stronger roids, while never tapering off and giving your body a necessary break. I think my previous(but changed) discrepancy came from me always having a trusted source. If I didn't, I wouldn't spend the money until I had a source to trust...which is basically like what you were saying. I apologize for going in depth about it all. I only went into extent for people who have never been around steroids first hand to know how much they can enhance performance, making it very tempting for an athlete looking for an edge or attempting to get a larger payday.
