That wasn't a response to you. Point is Slick called these guys who need help with bullies, pathetic. If they are, then anyone who needs help with anything are pathetic.
That is my point. Some people just don't have what it takes to defend themselves properly. You were able to do it and I, fortunately, never had to do it, though I believe I could have if the need came up. This is a show about some that just can't do it, so they get a little help and get a measure of revenge in a (basically) controlled situation where these bullies can prove they really are as hard as they act and win $10,000 or get beat down (with pads on) and let their victims get $10,000. Fair enough...
Not everyone though. What bothers me is that mental image of some really bad stuff will be replayed over and over in the subject of the bullyings head, that mental image of the milk being poured over their head or being shoved into the rows of lockers and that just seems counterproductive to me.
In fact they do get paid. There is $ 10,000 up for grabs in each show. In the 1st round the bully gets $ 5,000 and each time in the 3 minutes he taps out, he loses $ 1,000 and it goes to those he torments. In the 2nd round, the bully just has to last 3 minutes and he can collect the other $ 5,000, but if he TKO's or gets KO'd he has to hand over the $ 5,000 to his victims. 2 bullies and then Finacious D was the hired MMA guy who came in and knocked them out. That was brilliant work boys.
Just...wow...how pitiful, at worst, the targets of the bullying make some money, at best the bully loses money that was never theirs to begin with,and meanwhile they still have all the juicy memories of being bullied? No, hand US Army or Slick 10k, let Finacsious sling his worst commentaries, if they "tap out" then hand out 1k everytime they do so.
I guess not. My point wasn't that everyone can beat up a bully somehow. I was trying to say that everyone should at least try to do it themselves. From the two episodes I saw, the kids that were being bullied just came off as very whiney and eager to rub someone else's face in the dirt. I do agree that this show is extremely counterproductive. So we have a bully who, odds are already has some psychological issues to begin with, and have him get humiliated by some kids (that he already was picking on) on national television. What do you think that bully is going to do afterwards? I think that's a recipe for disaster.
Exactly, it's not the winning or losing, one faces severe damages if one stands up for oneself and loses, ifone does manage to land that one punch, or hold one's own, that is what it's about, not some nonsensical payoff structure while someone else does it. Is this a game show or self realization that is involved here? Maybe, if one thinks about it, MTV has gone from being cool and hip to catering to nerds.. Eh, depends, it's not the bully, it's the target here, bullies are not what they are made out to be, what the target holds onto for years the bully tends to quickly forget.
He meant the MMA fighters getting paid. The reason anybody else on that show gets paid? Nobody knows. I do have an apology prize for you since I became a bully bc of my different opinion:
How can you self-realize when you're off to the side making comments on something that doesn't involve you? All this show is is MTV cashing in on MMA's popularity with a corny premise. Thats true. But, public (in this case national) humiliation can do crazy things to a person. I would assume they would immediately want revenge.
Well, if this is looked at purely objectively, what happens when the "next" bully emerges either on the job or when a love interest emerges or a neighbor or what have you? What then? Dial MTV and complain about the "next" one? How loudly does anyone think they will laugh because the person from season 1 episode #22 now has another bullying problem?
LOL right. That was my point from earlier when I was saying that someone who beats up a bully isn't a paid profession like a mechanic. Show me where these guys can order a bullybeater in the yellow pages for the next time it happens? At some point, everyone has to figure out a way to deal with stuff like that. And if they don't, it's going to make their life very difficult.
That I can agree with... somewhat... Problem is nowadays dealing with it seems to be escalating it by bringing a knife or a gun... Sad situation, but that's the way I see it... The problem with your line of argument as pertains to this show, however, is that the "bully" gets humiliated due to his own pride. I have absolutely no sympathy for that. If he did the right thing and said, "Hey, I was a jackass. That's not the way I want to be anymore," this show would never happen. This show happens not because the "pathetic losers" call someone and say, "He was mean to me, beat him up," but because the "bully" decides he can win the fight. End of story.
Yea, I can't stand how kids deal with it these days. On top of that, you get the kids that have the "if you fight me then you have to fight all my friends at once" mentality, which is just as big of a joke. I was never defending the bully on the show. I was just saying it's probably only going to make everyone's situation a lot worse after the show is over.
my mom told me a different saying "swing first". she always taught me to defend myself, and if i feel the need to, make sure i swing first because i have a much better chance of winning a fight. i was never picked on, nor did i pick on anyone, but ive fought since i was in elementary school, so maybe thats why ive never been picked up. but this show is a joke....it seems far to fake. these "bullies" are bums and cant fight for ****. not saying i would definitely win, but i boxed for years and trained under a ex-pro boxer, two of my good friends are pro MMA fighters(one actually fighting on ESPN in upcoming week) and i have trained with them in MMA, i would go into the fight against the pro MMA fighter confident(obviously not all the UFC guys, they are much better). although im sure i wouldnt do great in the ground game, thats not my strong point.
Certainly, for things that were beyond me, Calculus..err...trigonometry..okay..advanced algebra... Or having contact lenses fitted, or eye glass prescriptions. Core, self Actualization Issues...nope...never...not once...wore many a beating to...then became Counter Driven. How about you? Self Actualize as of yet?
hmmmmmm I think its far more courageous to move on from the bullying then to wait around for revenge. Having said that disagreeing with the concept of the show is far from bullying. I think people are getting way to emotional about a show on mtv.
What's funny about this whole topic is that this is probably going to be a scripted show from beginning to end, just like all of MTV's programming. I doubt that there is anything real about this, and can you imagine the legal ramifications that MTV would face if any of these "bullies" got hurt?
Ahh... but back in the day, Johnny Knoxville really would staple his junk or actual musicians used to...play instruments...accoustically...
None, Mike... The "bullies" have to agree to fight the MMA fighter...and they fight wearing pads... I'm sure MTV has a nice shiny contract just for that issue.
Some people aren't built for violence padre. For some, defending themselves against a bully is equally beyond them as higher math is for you. Oddly, its often the same people who you might go to for help with those problems that would come to you for problems with bullies. Point is, its unreasonable to expect everyone to be able to do the things you've done. You have your own set of unique circumstances that helped dictate your actions and capabilities.
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One cannot nullify actions by others by taking no actions for oneself Finascious, to expect "someone else" to resolve and actualize ones own issues leads to a deformaty of personage, that reduces ones problems to the abstract and not the relavent.
I think some people take our criticism of the show personally bc they feel like we don't sympathize with what happened with them and their own bullies. That's really not the case. Just bc we think the show is idiotic and puts bad ideas out there, that doesn't mean we're trying to insult those who were picked on.
Dead on. If everyone had the attitude of "well I can't do this, I'm just not made for it", would we evolve as fast and would people achieve the things that they have? Probably not. And as I typed that ^, Rudy is on tv.
Of course the show is idiotic... It's on MTV! I, however, just don't see it as putting any bad ideas out there as everyone involved in the show has to agree in order for anything to happen. The "bully" doesn't just get jumped in a park somewhere and get his *** beat. He has to put up or shut up against someone that is, at least, his equal, rather than taking on the weaker "prey" he's used to. I hope it will be a humbling experience for them. Why aren't you nose deep in you trig textbooks, padre?
That's just silly. We're talking about physical violence here. Would these people be reducing their problems to the abstract if they involved the police? That's getting someone else to handle their problem for them.
So no one has any limitations then? If you dream it you can do it? Seriously, there is a flip-side to that coin. What if someone is wasting time trying to do something they can't do, at the expense of of the things they do really well? It was said that Issac Newton couldn't remember names very well (learned that thru a link here). What if he devoted a lot of time to trying to remember names? Would he have been able to discover gravity? Look, I'm not saying people shouldn't strive to be more than they are, but some people have as much business trying to fight a bully as I do trying to play guitar.
one thing i dont understand about this show is, how does one get bullied when they are grown? i mean, if your not a physical person, and your getting beat up, why would you not just call the cops? if their just mentally bullying you, why hang out with them?
respond to violence with more violence, I guess as long as you can justify it right? Come on now this show isn't community service.
I think if Newton really wanted to work on remembering names, he would of done that instead. If someone is so determined to rid themselves of a bully, then why wouldn't they devote some time and work towards that goal?
probably seeing as how he developed most of his theories early in his life.................. just saying.........
Please, lucky... It's two grown men consenting to fight. You have a problem with boxing, too? This is simply an idiotic show with a pretty ridiculous premise, but what it boils down to is "two guys fight." If one of the guys win, he gets $10,000 dollars. If the professional wins, someone the first guy used to pick on gets the money and the guys he used to pick on get a measure of "justice."
but not to embarrassed to go on national tv and show your a grown man getting bullied? doesnt make much sense to me...
Eh, self taught Trig doesn't fly that high, only Jefferson and Clarence Thomas are the ones I've heard of successfully self teaching.. Besides..I am human...I need love just like everyone else mi amigo.
