Cardinals could ask for less in trade for Boldin to Miami

Nothing really said here, other than "we never fully said what we're asking for"

 

I would trade Brown, Ginn, and a 2nd for Boldin, Edge and a 4th.

 

Would be a terrible trade for a Back that when healthy is a top 10 RB in the league. We would be trading the former first round picks Reviver to that is ready fro a breakout season for a soone to be 29 yr old WR with a bad hip and injury prone due to the way he plays. Not to mention Edge will be released before training camp and we could get him for slightly more than vet minumum. Come on now

 

Come on guys, lets use our common sense here, If Anquan can do anything to make arizona want less, in return being traded to the dolphins, he would, i gurantee it..

And if ronnie brown is even mentioned in the trade, iam takin my avatar down.

 

I guess if they want Brown that bad we can trade Ronnie for Boldin and their #1

 

or we can trade 1st round picks and ronnie and boldin

 

What do the Cards want?

Here is a list of the Cardinals' top three needs:

Running back: With Edgerrin James likely to be released, the Cardinals need a back to pair with Tim Hightower. They need some speed at the position.

Outside linebacker: Three of the team's top four outside linebackers are over 30 and there is a dearth of young players ready to take over.

Tight end: The Cardinals have been searching for a great tight end for two decades now. The search continues.

according to their needs and what we have to offer (player-wise), the only trades that would make sense is Ronnie or Fasano and a pick. (maybe one of our 2nd round picks.)

 

Trade a talented player who was the heart and soul for our offense for a RB that is past his prime and a wide reciever. Nice.

 

Wow, I can't believe that some really feel that either a) Boldin is that good and would make our team that much better as to overcome the loss of Brown or b) that Brown is that 'worthless' to us ?? I would suggest that watching some film of Brown would change your opinions.

Man, I like the prospect of getting a Boldin, but not at the cost of what we know. If I didn't know any better, I'd think you all are closet Cards fans with that trade scenario...

 

and you would be dead by noon.

 

That would be totally FinSane!!

If they did do that, I would want to put that pic. of Florida that you have in your avatar, to my head.

 

I have seen a report floating on the net suggesting either of the two following scenarios for Boldin.

Ravens send McGahee and Heap straight up for Boldin.

Dolphins send Ronnie Brown straight up for Edgerrin James and Boldin.

 

what is important is what the Front Office thinks:
1) Parcells has always been able to find both WR's & RB's in the mid to later rounds.
2) He appears to be very fond of Williams (for whatever reason) & for whatever reason, not very impressed with Brown as a potential Franchise RB for the team.
3) The TriFecta has made it abundantly clear that all players have a price tag during the rebuilding of the team.

anything could happen. the Cardinals need a proven RB, they have their eyes on another SuperBowl in 09. Boldin would be an excellent fit in our young stable.
got to remember there are a number of excellent WR's available in the draft & we have time to develop them. usually takes a couple of years to bring a receiver along in the NFL.
also, our current stable is very talented & could step up big time this season.

personally, I think we have a tremendous running game behind an emerging offensive line. The Tandem from Hell should burn up the turf behind the Orca-5 & a bird in the hand is worth three in the bush. we should know by the weekend.

 

McGahee and Heap for Boldin seems to me like AZ is getting ripped off.

Brown for the Edge and Boldin I'd take in a second. I love R. Brown, but put me on the list of people who see the running back position as a dime a dozen. You can get nearly the same productivity from about 20 other backs IMO.

Just look at how well Cobbs did when he was in. I saw almost no drop-off at all.

 

If no terms have been discussed up to this point its likely that all the talks have been preliminary up to this point .Nothing in the works....yet

 

I really don't see it happening. Our RB Stable is one of the best in the NFL & the Orca-5 should provide the push they need to get started. W/O the running game, our passing game will suffer, with or w/o Boldin. I would be very surprised if there were a deal to remove Ronnie from the roster.
Having said that: anything is possible w/Bill Parcells in the middle of a Rebuilding Project.

 

The best trade scenario I saw for Ronnie is someone suggested us trading him to denver in exchange for their 2nd round pick and swapping our 1st rounders. Wouldn't be a bad idea but I think I'd rather have a 1st rounder for him.

 

if that happens, then one can only speculate the possibilities of Moreno or Wells landing in Miami. Moreno + Boldin would be better than Ronnie + Nicks.

 

Thank for providing the voice of reason

Ronnie has the opportunity to be THE premier RB in the entire league this coming year.

I personally hope he is still a Dolphin when this happens

 

Couldn't agree more on this, imo dolphin fans tend to underestimate our own players talents, RB is a top back in the league, remember he was coming off an injury and shared carries, we didn't run the ball very much last year either. Also had a bad line.

Boldin is a great player but ronnie is better and younger, boldin will not make us SB contenders anyways, young talent will in time, if we rush it now and trade away our talent/picks we are only hurting ourselves.

Also, boldin will want big money soon, there is no reason for that being spent on one player, we have too many needs. I say draft nicks if we dont want mack, if nicks isn't there grab english.

 

Arizona wins that trade by a million percent

 

The Ravens scenario would be better for Arizona

 

Ginn and a 4th for boldin, sounds fair.

 

Fair to AZ maybe. Not to me.

 

No Disrespect intended.

Don't get me wrong though, I like Ronnie Brown and I think he's a great player and a great character guy and his pass blocking is spectacular.

However we must agree to disagree because there's obviously two camps here: Those that think an elite WR > elite RB and those that think elite RB > elite WR. Therefore, it's nothing against Ronnie Brown personally. I just think that finding a great Running Back is a lot easier than finding a great wideout

 

Why? That doesn't make sense. Now if they wanted to work a deal that included Boldin and Ginn with some type of combo of picks, sure. I would do that. But what I don't get is why so many are willing to trade Brown. He has been playing fine considering he hasn't had an oline, came off a serious knee injury and is playing in his third offense going into his 4th season. All of that has to slow the development of any player. Same goes for Ginn, he played in 2 different offenses in his first 2 season, the first without a QB to speak of and last year, near the end, our WR corp was really banged up making it easy for teams to double cover him. Few WRs will find success in that, especially young ones. Ginn showed improvement last year, there is no doubt about that. Brown will continue to get better, now healthy with a line built to block. We couldn't run in the middle, have to think Samson was in part responsible for that.

I just get the feeling at times that too many people think that there is a quick fix solution for what has ailed this team for nearly a decade before last season. You don't just trade away your better guys hoping that the guy you bring in will be better. Boldin isn't going to solve our problems in the pass game single handedly. Edge will be a step back in our running game, we then would have two older RBs.

 

We would be the loser on both ends.

Brown for Boldin? We are going to be a power run first offense, you don't trade away a top RB especially now that he will actually have a line in front of him to block. And then we drop back in the first round by 6-7 spots?

With all due respect to those who think Brown is expendable, what are you smoking? Can the desire and yearning for a top WR be a left over from the air attack days of Marino?

We must be a power run offense first and foremost, especially when considering that Henne will likely be our starter in 2010. We can't be a pass run offense with a kid getting his first starts, that would be a disaster. We have to take pressure OFF of him by establishing that we are going to pound the snot out of a defense on the ground, giving him time to get accustomed to the NFL game.

 

Totally agree with everything you say, especially the disrespect of Brown. Yeah he had some ugly games last year, but it was the first of a rebuild. Wait, with the line better in place now, him understanding the 3rd offense in 4 years, still being spelled by Ricky....Ronnie is going back to the pro bowl and has a chance to lead the league in rushing.

 

What about Porter, Ricky and our #44 pick. That would be an interesting thought.

 

I swear madden is the bane of bulletin boards and Lombardi is an ***. All this stupid talk of dime a dozen means short memories or are just too young to remember us floundering around for twenty years without a decent running back... and now just for the sport of it, you want to trade one of the premier running backs in all of football today.. just like you were playing madden arrrrgggg

 

Im sorry but this is simply NOT a winning situation for our team. Makes no sense on so many levels.

 

i think the majority agree that they want Boldin on this team, we just disagree on how to do it. The Cardinals are also in desperate need for a TE. what if we deal fasano and a pick or 2 for Boldin

 

wow i didnt think my "scenario" would actually be taken seriously lol

 

I laugh in your general direction. You are too young to have remember the absolute drought of running backs between 1980 and when the team: first got Ricky and then ran him right into the ground with Wanny Wad Ball; then got Ronnie. For the first time in 25 years I saw a Dolphin running back run OVER a defender even without the benefit of a healthy and effective offensive line. Good running backs do not drop off of the gum ball tree. When you get one, you keep him, and preferably a very good backup/alternate. You don't trade him for a wide receiver. Wide receivers are also rare, but when a team is building itself up as a power running team, you don't throw away the best runner on the team. Cobbs cannot handle that load. Ricky can't as well as he could. And this is Brown's second year back from ACL surgery. With a rebuilding O line, the power game ought to take off. And contrary to what Lombardi wrote, Brown gets stronger at the end of the game, does get a good YAC (remember, a lot of his YAC yardage for at least two years started 2 yards of so in our own backfield), and with Ricky and Patrick as relief/back up/change of pace, this should be a good year for Miami Dolphin Running, as long as we don't have to rely on Knowshon Moreno to be a power back.