COACHES CORNER: PAT WHITE is the NEXT phase of the WILDCAT

The ol' Shoot is an extreme example of a spread-to-pass offense. It involves motions and complex option routes. The philosophy basically boils down to pass first, pass last, pass only.

 

We took White because Ronnie is a poor thrower, or so it has been said. That's another reason why we may have taken Hartline.

 

I'd rather the team dominate with a base offense than try 5 or 10 special package plays a game to make something happen. Its nice to have the option when you need to shake things up a bit but Shula managed to do that just fine without all the fancy stuff. Unless the WC usage percentage goes up appreciably the White pick will be a luxury and at 44 it will remain a reach. Now if someone says we drafted this kid because he's going to be a heck of a QB and we ranked him higher than Mark Sanchez well then its an excellent value pick.

 

i think he might end up beating Henne for the full time QB job. i have no problem with that, as long as he wins the job fair and square. But even if he doesn't, he will definitely be used specifically in the wildcat.

Pat White is Mike Vick on steroids, without the dog fighting controversy. By the way after teams see how successful we are with Pat White at the helm of the wildcat, i believe more teams will take a chance on signing Vick.

I wish Pat White was taller, but from what i've gathered he hasn't had a problem getting his passes batted down b/c he throws with a good arch and he's accurate!

After watching that video, i'm surprised he was available when we picked him!

 

I don't see any of our Chads on the field with Pat and Ronnie at the same time. I think the point of this is to make the QB a useful player. Not the chad as a dummy wide out.

 

If the Pats seriously planned on taking White, then we really blindsided them when we did, because after all their trades involving 2nd round picks, they had those two right before us at 40 and 41, then didn't pick again until 58. If they wanted White, they must have not considered any teams in between 41 and 58 to be likely to draft him before them. If so, it seems to me they would have used one of the picks, 40 or 41, on White. Or else their interest in White was less a priority than in Butler or Brace.

 

And the SOB probably acts like he thought it up himself.

 

Yup. Gimmicks are things like the Statue of Liberty play, or the Fumblerooskie.

 

if pat white can be a starting qb in the nfl i will feel better about the pick. i think he is an excellent athlete and hope he can. but getting a guy who will be on the field for 5 or 8 plays a game with that pick is tough for me with other folks availble. don't even get me started on hartline with #108.

 

Mike, I am bookmarking this thread and showing everyone this link that is against this pick. Awesome post once again and represents everything I believe about White since I watched him play for WVU!

 

You must have gotten that from what I posted on here Sunday:

"Reach or not, I love the pick. Do I like the fact we have taken a "QB" 3 years in a row in the 2nd round? NO! However, this one is different. He will be able to be a Randell-El type at WR. He won't be a game changer, but you will have to account for him on the field. Especially with reverses and the quick slants. However, the wrinkle he brings to the Wildcat is where the true value in the pick is held. Now he can come in and run, hand it off, or pass the ball from the Wildcat formation. Last year we threw the ball 2 times, maybe 3, out of the formation. 1 was for a TD, but that was it. The threat to throw with Ronnie never existed. Aggressive D's, like the Ravens, could load up to stop the run because they knew we would not pass the ball from that formation. Now that all changes. Pat White can not only throw the ball...but he can throw the deep ball well. Is he our future at QB? Who knows. Can he be very productive right off the bat getting 10 touches a game in the Wildcat formation? You better believe it and that is what you expect from a 2nd round pick....production!"

Thanks for just taking what I said and adding more words to it. I guess we can say it was your own work. LMAO!!!

 

We aren't the first. The Ravens did this last year, and that may be where we got the idea for White.

 

using two completely different offenses?

 

I agree with your thread Mike, I think the Wildcat is the beginning of a much larger innovation in this league than the run and shoot though.

I see this as the most versatile of all offenses with the quarterback running the ball as often as he throws it.

What I really like is also having the conventional QB (Henne), because it gives the opposition fits having to prepare for two schemes.

 

White's QB rating and other stats the past 4 yrs:

 

Career QB Rating: 147.37. This is calculated differently for NFL and NCAA too btw
If one calculates his QB rating with the NFL formula it is 99.83

Matt Stafford Career QB Rating NCAA formula: 133.3 and NFL formula: 85.6
Mark Sanchez: NCAA 153.87 and NFL 103.93
Josh Freeman: NCAA 124.73 and NFL 80.99

 

He compares quite well with the other top QBs too in ratings.

At the combine, they measured ball velocity and White was lower on this though at 52 mph. Sanchez and Freeman were both 57 mph. Graham Harrell was also 52. Mike Reilly who many say has the best arm in this draft was at 58 mph and Stafford did not throw. 58 was the best of any there and 52 the lowest. This surprises me because White's passes down field look stronger than Harrell's do to me.

 

Pat White has "the vision thing".

 

I agree, and also at times he shows impeccable accuracy, fitting some passes downfield into very small windows.

 

6002 and 197 were his combine measurements. I think that is what they are using. If we can add about 10 lbs of lean muscle over the next year or so, I think he will be just fine. That would make him exactly the same size as Brees.

 

exactly...hes a smarter Mike Vick

 

saw this coming a long time ago
PatWhite the WildCat Man

 

Whilst I appreciate that most people can be made to look good in a 5 minute compilation clip on Youtube, I have to say that this guy does look something special and I can't wait to see how we utilise him. I have to admit I didn't see a QB being an early pick here, but if it annoys the P(r)ats it's even more of a sweet deal!

I wonder if Chad Henne is feeling nervous now? My guess is that he was hoping to see this season as his break through year rather than 2010/11, but suddenly he finds he has gained more competition for a starting slot. My guess is that Pat White won't be pushing for a starting slot this year, but does anyone think next year he'll be pushing to start every play, not just the wildcat?

 

WildCatPat won't threaten Henne (at least in the short run) but make him work harder.
he'll be too busy actually playing football to be concerned with who the #2 to Pennington is going to be.
I'll share with you two thoughts:
1) may be that we actually wind up with a Co-Offense, virtually utilizing two QB's (TandemQB's). This will depend on how well the WildCat develops as a legitimate attack instrument in the hands of Pat White.
2) Pennington is the starting QB. trust me, he won't go quietly into the night. Someone will have to win the position from him. What happens if he comes back in great shape with an injury free shoulder, protected by the Orca-5 & passing to an improved WR corp & running game in place. He can consistently connect with a deep pass if he has time to set up & is uninjured. I honestly think he may surprise a lot of people this year. Chad Pennington is already one of the top QB's in the NFL, a ProBowler & Franchise QB selected by Mr. Bill Parcells himself. Don't be too quick to write him off.

 

Hi the 23rd,

Thanks for your reply. My post was not intended to write off Pennington - I think he's a quality QB - it was more to say that Henne is probably better than a lot of people give him credit for and I think he'll be pushing for a starting slot this coming season rather than the following one.

But now, not only does he have to barge his way through Pennington, he also has the new kid in town making sure he still has to look over his shoulder. Competition for places is good for the team, but it's not always good for the individuals involved as someone will be missing out!

 

Orca 5? Wouldn't it make more sense for our team to at least make it to the AFC Championship game before anointing any unit on our team with catchy nicknames? This OL has a lot of potential, but at this point they have not earned any cool nicknames.

I do agree about Penny. He is our starter until someone else proves on the field they deserve it more

 

i honestly cant understand anyone who isnt excited about the pick..i think its less then you say.

This is our offense, we are the true innovators, we just picked the master ninja of the wildcat, if you have a pulse and a love for the dolphins, then imo, you should be doin backflips. If there are people who are negative about this pick, then i just wouldnt trust their eye anymore.

This cat is special..To watch him operate this offense is amazing, all of the little things he does, the slight hesitations to let the play develope, the proper hand technique with the ball, his deception fakes, his fundamentals are off the charts. its ridiculous how much value he brings to our team, hes gonna be a star..

 

not even smart NFL people have a clue as to what were doing.

IMO, this regime did not in any way take white to compete with henne, the plan is to use two different qb's, operating two different offenses in the same game..why is this so hard for people to grasp, the wildcat is a weapon and we just signed the master...however, you 100 percent want to keep your traditional offense with the other weapon, which is henne, its the combination working together about an 80 to 20 ratio thats so damn facinating..hennes got skills that pat white can only dream of and vise versa.

 

Wassup fin fans, wel plain and simple i didnt like the pick when it was made i thought it was too early. But after warming up to it for 5 days i LOVE THE PICK. The kid is electric with the ball in his hands. hes a good character kid. who in his heart wants to be an NFL quarterback. I say give him his shot . and its about time we get a premiere offensive weapon in miami.
and 2 big physical future SHUTDOWN corners in Vontae and Sean Smith.
say it with me every one
WELCOME 2 DADE COUNTY!

 

If you like Pat White listen to his WVU head coach Bill Stewart rave about him here: http://www.wqam.com/index.php?page=347&sid=mge8c8ei828s9sae10o7k0pdgq4v1fc2

It has to be taken with a grain of salt but he says, if you count the senior bowl, he has won 5 Bowl games, MVP for 4 of those 5. He thinks Pat can be a receiver and track the ball in the air as he was a center fielder in baseball. Pat can throw against cover 2 and quarters. Pat can throw and read defenses. He also says he isn't worried about Pat running the football. As I said...grain of salt.

 

I knew when I saw this bump that you got some juicy tidbit. I interested in seeing how the Wildcat plays this season.