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Steve Slaton for Ronnie Brown

Discussion in 'Fantasy Football' started by slickj101, May 3, 2009.

  1. slickj101

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    Ok, so I'm faced with a major offseason decision this year. I'm in a keeper league and my keepers are:

    Fitzgerald
    Marshall (unless he gets a huge suspension, which I doubt)
    Slaton

    It's PPR and a 2RB league. Last season I finished in 3rd, so I pick 10th in the 1st round. I have someone interested and right now, Slaton for his 1st (2nd pick overall) is the starting point. I think I'll be able to work this trade out if I want it. I'm almost positive that Ronnie isn't kept this year. I don't think the guy drafting first will select him either. So my trade would basically be Slaton for Ronnie.

    I like what Slaton does, but he's probably lost goal-line carries for good. He doesn't get very many TDs. I'd love to have him as my #2 RB, but obviously I don't have a #1 right now so it won't happen.

    So do you think Ronnie Brown is a definite upgrade over Slaton? I'm leaning towards yes right now.
     
  2. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    It's a good trade for you if the pick is involved. You can get a stud RB likely with that spot.
     
  3. slickj101

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    The trade would be Slaton for a 1st (2nd overall pick).

    I just have to hope that Ronnie isn't kept (I don't think he will be as of right now). If he is kept, I don't think I'll do the trade.
     
  4. azfinfanmang

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    Well then Slick.

    I would say that straight up, Ronnie for Slaton is a HUGE deal..but the fact that the gamble card is thrown in makes it tough.


    OF course my homer glasses make Elton John's "Gay-shades" look like slimlines...so that just adds to the gamble I guess :lol:
     
  5. PeaTearGriffin

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    I would wait and see who is going to be kept before i do anything. But I think I would rather have Slaton in a PPR league week to week.
     
  6. slickj101

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    I'm definitely waiting till after the keepers are submitted.

    lol I try to keep my homer glasses out of it. I like Slaton bc of the passes, but he doesn't get goal-line carries. Ronnie should be able to catch a decent number of passes and should have almost all the goal-line carries.

    The fact that it's the 2nd pick is a killer. Simply bc the guy who has the 1st pick is completely unpredictable. He took Brady 3rd overall last year with Westbrook, Addai, SJ, and AP still out there.
     
  7. PeaTearGriffin

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    I would only trade for Ronnie if you really feel as though he will have a huge year because of his contract and/or he should be back to 100% health. If you throw out his first game against the Pats he really wasn't a good RB to own. Otherwise, I'd keep Slaton, who has no one else taking carries from him and should get 25 touches a game. Plus the passing game to take people out of the box.
     
  8. azfinfanmang

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    Dont know how the points work in your league, but I am thinking that with the huge OLINE Ronnie is going to get an incredible amount of carries this year. I really think he is gonna be the cash cow and the staff is gonna see exactly what he can do.
    Does that mean he scores you tons of points? That depends on if he is carrying from our own 20 or the opposition 20 IMO.
     
  9. slickj101

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    They didn't draft a replacement, but someone will still be there to spell Slaton. They've already said many times they need a bigger back for short yardage and that kills Slaton's goal-line value.

    I think Ronnie will be good bc of the reasons AZ stated below.

    1 point per reception, TDs are 6, and 1 point every ten yards rushing.

    The reasons you stated are why I'm thinking he'll have a nice year. I don't think he'll last till my pick (10th of 12 in the 1st round). So, if I want him, I need to move Slaton.

    The ideal move would be to trade Slaton, draft Ronnie, and then pray that Derrick Ward is there at my other 1st round pick.
     
  10. Clark Kent

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    Keep Slaton. He may not get the goal line carries, but he gets everything else and is a threat to score from anywhere on the field. He offers more potential receiving then Ronnie does anyway. Also, if Ronnie isn't running the Wildcat this year, that's a loss of his production. Not to mention he's going to share carries with Ricky anyway. Last year with Ronnie was hit and miss for my fantasy team.
     
  11. bg34

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    I'd rather have Slaton over Brown.
     
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  12. slickj101

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    Damn, I'm really torn on this one.

    There is a chance that Ronnie falls into the end of round 1 and I end up with him anyways. I might just keep Slaton and try to catch Ronnie or Derrick Ward with my 1st.
     
  13. Boik14

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    Im not sure how good Ward will be without the Giants great run blocking OL so Id forget him for now. Too risky for a first rounder and he'll still time share with Cadillac and Ernest Graham.

    The problem with your swap is that its going to leave you need two RB's since you wouldnt have kept any. So do you think you can get two good ones?

    I think I would rather have Ronnie over Slaton even in a PPR league. Our OL should be significantly better next season and could be one of the top 2 or 3 in all of the NFL. Plus he doesnt lose those goalline carries like Slaton.
     
  14. slickj101

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    I really think Ward will have a good year.

    He catches a ton of passes, has speed, and isn't by any means a small guy at 225. Don't forget that Tampa has a very nice OL as well.

    I duno about two good RBs. I'm really going to have to see what's available and who's being kept. Like I said, there is a chance that Ronnie could fall all the way to the end of round 1. It probly depends how much the draft sites talk him up.
     
  15. Boik14

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    Ward may do ok but I try and stay away from those guys who could be in a serious timeshare and while Ward got some big bucks in the offseason keep in mind that NYG OL was the best in the league last year. About 225 of his yards came in one game vs Carolina and he collected about half his yards in 3 games.

    As far as your team I'm assuming you will need two good RB's since you dont have one as a keeper if you deal Slaton. If the first guy takes Brown youre probably screwed as far as that goes but I like the deal. I dont think Slaton will repeat that and will end up in some kind of timeshare.
     
  16. slickj101

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    Basically, I'd be dealing Slaton and taking a RB with the 2nd and 10th overall picks.

    Now that I think about it, I would be getting Ronnie Brown or LT with that 2nd overall pick. So in a sense, I'd just be trading Slaton for one of those guys and then I would still have to make sure I hit on my #10 pick.

    My strategy might be to go best RB or WR available at 10, and then pick up Moreno or Wells with my 2nd rounder (15 overall). :yes:
     
  17. Skeet84

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    Depending on points for TD's and who will be available but I would tell you to keep Slaton. However if I knew who wouldbe available it would be a easier choice. Ronnie Brown will share carries with Polite, Cobbs, and Ricky. Also his wildcat carries will be trimmed and teams prepared with a whole off-season
     
  18. Boik14

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    That makes it kind of a no brainer knowing you can get either LT or Ronnie @ 2. And knowing you may have the option for the other one at 10 or get a young back like Wells or Moreno, though id be more inclined to take Wells I think. :up:
     
  19. slickj101

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    Definitely.

    You'd take Wells over Moreno?

    I think Moreno is the superior talent and has a few better scenarios. (better line, easier schedule, etc.)
     
  20. Boik14

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    Moreno may be more talented but Denver just signed like 7 FA running backs and still has Ryan Torrain who is pretty talented.

    Wells on the other hand only has Tim Hightower to compete with who I feel is only a change of pace back, a true 5-7 carry a game backup where as Wells could very easily be good for 20-25 touches. I also wouldnt be so quick to jump to the conclusion that Denver has a better OL. Lastly, I expect Denver to be picking in the top 3 next year even in that division so they may not even get a chance to give Moreno a lot of carries if they're playing from behind as often as I expect them to be losing. :wink2:
     
  21. phunwin

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    I want to make sure I understand this right, because the rules will definitely impact how you should go forward. In trading a keeper, you're allowed to keep a different player with that spot, right? Because if that's the case, you aren't really trading Slaton for Brown (or Tomlinson, or whoever). You're trading Slaton for Brown AND the guy you'd be keeping instead of Slaton. And that's a no-brainer for you.

    However, if you lose a keeper slot by dealing Slaton, then I wouldn't do it. Slaton is a better fantasy RB than Brown, and I'd take him over Tomlinson, too.
     
  22. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    No, I'm trading a keeper for a pick. I don't get to pick a new keeper.

    I'd be going into the draft with my 2 keepers and the pick I got for my other keeper.
     
  23. phunwin

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    Then you shouldn't make the trade. Slaton will be a better fantasy player than Brown this year.
     
  24. slickj101

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    Even without getting goal-line carries?

    Rushing/Receiving TDs are 6 points in our league.
     
  25. PeaTearGriffin

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    point per catch?

    EDIT: Oops nevermind i see it.
     
  26. phunwin

    phunwin Happy kids are Dolfans. Luxury Box

    Even without getting goalline carries. But you're really going to buy Chris Brown as a major impediment to Slaton's value? The dude gets a hangnail and misses a month. Slaton got 9 TD last year, just one less than Ronnie did. And for what it's worth, he didn't have a 1 game explosion that inflated his stats.

    Look, I love Ronnie as much as anyone, but giving up Slaton for him is a move that only a serious homer would make. And homerism has no place on your fantasy team.
     
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  27. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Very true.

    After gauging the rest of my league (not directly), I think I still might be able to catch Ronnie with my 1st round pick.

    That settles it, Slaton is a keeper.
     
  28. phunwin

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    Good job! Always try to get a feel for your fellow owners. I'm in a league with a bunch of Bills fans, and I've learned to read them like books.
     
  29. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Thats how my league is too (about 5 Bills fans).

    The prob is that they know I'm a dolphins fan and they always try to use that against me by offering Miami players at a ****ty price. Thankfully, I can restrain my homerism.
     
  30. codizzle

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    i'd take slaton any day.. i had him last year as a rookie... i took major crap for it ....

    they had the same amount of td's last year 10... slaton is only a 2nd year back .. ronnie will have a good year but slaton beat him in every possible category last year except td's which they tied
     
  31. slickj101

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    Yea I agree. I take crap for my rookies every year. I've had AP and Slaton so I don't mind too much. This year will be Moreno :up:

    I've def made my decision on him as a keeper.
     
  32. GISH

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    Most people dont realize this, but Steve Slaton produced more rushing yards, more receptions, more receiving yards, and equal TDs to Chris Johnson last year.

    Id take Slaton over Ronnie in FFB.
     

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