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How good was chad pennington for us last season?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, May 9, 2009.

  1. alen1

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    The only time Henning had a offense that used a single back in Washington was in '82 and the offense struggled heavily the whole season to get a run game going. In '81, '87', and '88, there run game featured two or even three 'backs.
     
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  2. padre31

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    Henning was the Redskins OC during the SB run when they beat us like drums in the Super Bowl, then he went to Atlanta and ran Gerald Riggs 300+ times a season.

    He coached the Chargers when they were terrible as well.

    As for Penny v Henne, to me Sparano said it best when he said CP was his guy this season, it makes little sense to sit a Qb who can win football games and fits the offense for a guy who has made maybe 10 throws in the NFL.

    And that really intrigues me L2G, in Dallas Bledsoe pretty much had to have the wheels fall off before Tuna replaced him, Tuna even was willing to give Q Carter a whole bunch of chances, so it would seem a stretch to simply replace Pennington with Henne until Pennington proves he just cannot do the job anymore.

    As for the negative Ginn threads...we both know how that song goes, just last year "Matt Roth is a BUST" or "Ronnie Brown is a BUST" threads were common..

    I don't miss those old Ronnie Brown is a bust threads...not a bit.:no:
     
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    Very well said, Marty!!
     
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  4. padre31

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    They won the SB in 1982 and Henning went to Atlanta after the season.

    Gerald Riggs was a terror for a really bad team.
     
  5. alen1

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    Correct but in '82, John Riggins was the feature back I believe and he struggled to provide a run game. I could be wrong though.
     
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  6. like2god

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    I agree with the bold text 110%, but I don't agree with Hartline and Turner, at least not yet. Neither one was able to really put up big performances in college, I'm going to reserve judgment on how they'll do until I see them on the field.

    I think you're giving Penny too much credit. Even when he has played the majority of the season his numbers aren't going to come close to that of Manning or Brady. He just doesn't have the talent that those QB's do.

    Again, we have to remember what we told the Jets fans about Chad when he was in NY, he didn't suddenly become a better player overnight. He was healthy last year, he was in a favorable position on a team that needed him, and he excelled. Last season was his career year, lets not expect that to be the norm. :wink2:

    IDK brother, the OL still has me awfully worried. Thomas is a total unknown, people pencil him in as a 16 game starter and regard him almost the same way they do a polished vet. The Thomas hype came from players talking about how strong he was during camp, until he shows us what he can do out on the field and prove that he's healthy, he's a big questionmark IMO. Smiley is coming back from an injury, he has to prove that he's healthy enough to endure a full season. Grove might have more questions about his health that Smiley or Thomas, Grove is always injured. I'm still not sold that he is a big upgrade at C either, I'll need to see it out on the field.

    Then there is the LB position. We need people who can rush the passer, not just fill a roster spot. Outside of Porter, we have little else and Joey had a career year, so he more than likely isn't going to match his performance. Wake is a total unknown, there is a huge gap between the NFL and the CFL. Crowder doesn't make plays, he reacts to them. I'd love to see him become more aggressive and take better angles to the ball carrier, but it's been how many years now? Roth does a good job against the run game, but he isn't getting to the QB and he isn't what you want in the passing game. The other ILB spot is being filled by players who really aren't effective starters IMO and they aren't getting to the QB.

    I sure hope that the FO was right not to improve the NT spot through FA or the draft, otherwise we're in for a long year if Fergy goes down. Soliai improved as the year went on, but he still has alot to prove as well.

    I may be Mr. Negative, but I see alot of places for improvement. :up:
     
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  7. like2god

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  8. padre31

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    I don't think you're being excessively negative L2G, not at all, your not summoning up hysterical scenarios or being completely defeatist.

    As for this:

    Penny's "career year" was 2002, the only career high he set last season was in passing yardage, and this year he is coming back 100% healthy for the first time since well...since ever..

    Most seasons Pennington was either coming back from his shoulder, or in 07 he got his ankle injured in a preseason game and never really recovered, if Penny makes it through this preseason period uninjured and not coming back from offseason surgery it will be the first time since ...2002...

    Wow, that is a long time without either being injured or coming back from an injury...I'm surprised, but if he plays 13 games or more, his numbers will be similar to last season, say 15+ tds, 3,000+ yds and less then 10 interceptions on average.

    Upper level NFL qb numbers...no?
     
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  9. padre31

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    They went 8-1, and averaged over 125 ypg rushing the football, is that ineffective? Riggins was more of a ball control player then one who was meant to be explosive...his longest run was 19yds..

    As I recall, the NFL MVP that season was...Mark Mosely, the Redskin's Kicker.
     
  10. like2god

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    I'm sure someone will disagree with you :pointlol:

    Upper level, but not top tier. I have no problem with Chad being put in the 2nd tier of QB's, but he isn't in the same class as Manning and Brady.

    As far as 2002, you're right, his numbers were slightly better, but still more than comparable to last year and his career in general. Penny excelled above what he's normally shown, we shouldn't just expect him to do it again this year. :wink2:
     
  11. adamprez2003

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    Not writing him off but I do think he's on the outside looking in
     
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  12. like2god

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    I was 4, I'll have to take your word for it old timer. :lol:
     
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  13. padre31

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    At least I can recall the Dolphins being in the Super Bowl there youngin'...:tongue2:
     
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    I could see london being gone. We may just keep 5 "WRs" now that we have Pat White. But untimatley, it will all depend on how the new rooks shape up.
     
  15. padre31

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    One of the things that is clouding the picture is London and Greg C both signed extensions last season and for Turner and Hartline to play, one or both will have to step aside, with new contracts it makes no sense for them to do that...but I can't think of any other way those two see the field.
     
  16. padre31

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    In fairness though, Brady and Manning have much better components then we have, and they play more of a pass happy style of offense then we do.

    The thing with Pennington is this, "if" he is healthy, he is a very consistent Qb, and two preseasons with no injuries would only improve his game to me, that should not be overlooked, two rotator cuff surgeries and a serious ankle sprain would sink anyone's numbers.

    For us, the Td to Int ratio and completion percentage are more important then just the raw numbers, I do think a healthy Penny with a good Wr corps could make it into the uppper tier conversation.
     
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    Actually, The Skins ran a lot of 1 back sets back then. That's what screwed up a lot od Ds back then until LT asserted himself. Gibbs would send in the "posse", leaving Don Warren in as TE, leaving only 1 RB. the skins gained many yds on the ground that way. D's had to play it honest with the posse, with Monk, one of the surest handed WRs of all time, Clark, who had a penchant for getting open nearly anytime and then their bonfide deep threat in Sanders. Warren was an exceptional blockers as well as sure hands and those 4 guys right there commanded a lot of attention. So much that Riggins would pound the rock up the middle with little effort.
     
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    There's alot of projecting going on to get to that point though. Even Penny's best seasons aren't Manning or Brady-like, those players are above and beyond everyone else. Penny is good, but he isn't that good.....he lacks the arm strength. :up:
     
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  19. adamprez2003

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    The OL could be poor if people don't play up to potential but I think we'll have a pretty dominant line. I have faith in Thomas,Grove, and Smiley. Plus I think we have decent depth. The linebackers are certainly not dominating but I believe they are serviceable . I don't believe they are a poor unit however
     
  20. adamprez2003

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    Agreed. Completely forgot about pat white lol
     
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  21. Xeticus

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    The LB situation is one I thought we really could have improved this draft one I was sure we were going to address. Next draft I really hope we draft a couple OLB and ILB prospects. You can't run a 3-4 defense without good linebackers.
     
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  22. padre31

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    Well, alot depends on how the rookies develop, his arm needn't be a canon if they can perform, Brady has Welker and Moss Manning has Wayne, Gonzalez and Clark, a Qb can't do it alone.
     
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    Once Porter's production slips from last year, I think you'll see just how poor they really are. If Wake can come in and provide some pressure, maybe they aren't as bad as we think, but that's a big "if".

    Agreed

    I was so sure that they were going to improve the LB position, with the FO saying that you can never have enough passrushers to the fact that we have noone other than Porter getting to the QB. Watching us waste a pick on White and then seeing Sintim go to the Giants with the next pick gave me a severe case of the dry heaves.
     
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    True, but physical ability is just as important. You can have 4 Randy Moss's and a weak armed QB and he isn't going to be able to make the long throws.

    "the circle is complete" :wink2:
     
  25. padre31

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    Long throws are not neccessary when the Wr can take a short pass to the house .:wink2:

    That is what Ted Ginn was supposed to be doing for us.
     
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  26. adamprez2003

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    Yeah. I really thought we were going to get Everette Brown. Still think we'll pick up an LB off the FA list
     
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    I don't think we will adamp, to me not taking a LB in the draft sort of speaks to what they think of our current unit, we may have reached the point where Ireland doesn't have to sift the ashes for a cut player.
     
  28. adamprez2003

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    Porter is good for another year.if he's injured then we may be in trouble but if he's healthy we're serviceable. We'll probably pick up an extra body maybe even JT
    Sintim would've been nice but I thought we were going to get Everett brown
     
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    I was shocked to see in the Pennington video after Ginns amazing TD catch Penny walks over and says "Way to make a play Teddy Ginn" then Ginn screams to him "keep throwing me the ball"!!!

    That is the most emotion I have seen out of Ginn in 8 years of watching him play football.

    All Wr's should want the ball at all times.
     
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    We'll see. I think ayodele, torbor or anderson may be let go if an upgrade is available. I also think next year we draft two or three LBs
     
  31. padre31

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    Anderson and Moses are definetely on the bubble, torbor is our only experienced ILB backup.
     
  32. Xeticus

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    When we picked Pat White and then Sintim and Barwin went right after I was crushed. I've come around on the Pat White pick but I'd REALLY have loved one of those 2 prospects on this team. I think both of them will end up being very good linebackers in the future. Sintim in particular could have pushed for a starting slot.
     
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    The more I think about it next year could be the year for the LB corps. JT is signed for only one year and Joey Porter is getting up there. We could easily part ways with those guys and draft a young stud or two.
     
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    Honestly I thought we would get a CB or WR in the first round. Darius Butler, Vontae Davis, Hakeem Nicks or Kenny Britt. I was sure it would be one of those guys and we got Vontae. In the 2nd round I thought Clint Sintim was a strong possibility. And I thought we would get Ramses Barden in the late 2nd or 3rd round. And we missed out on him by 2 picks.

    I really like our draft. Especially the first day picks. I think next year it's time to draft LB, NT and RB.
     
  35. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    got to wait & see what Pennington brings toi the table this year.
    if it is anything like 2008 he will be starting in 2010, it will be the continuation
    of the Pennington Renaissance that has been accompanying the Miami Project
    & a trip to the big enchilada for the incredible new Miami Dolphins Football team:yes:

    Go Fish!:up:
     

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