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Top 50 MLB Players according to Sporting News

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by King Felix, May 21, 2009.

  1. King Felix

    King Felix Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    1. Albert Pujols
    1B, Cardinals

    2. Alex Rodriguez
    3B, Yankees

    3. Johan Santana
    SP, Mets

    4. Manny Ramirez
    LF, Dodgers

    5. Hanley Ramirez
    SS, Marlins

    6. Chase Utley
    2B, Phillies

    7. Roy Halladay
    SP, Blue Jays

    8. Derek Jeter
    SS, Yankees

    9. Mariano Rivera
    RP, Yankees

    10. Chipper Jones
    3B, Braves

    11. Ryan Howard
    1B, Phillies

    12. Grady Sizemore
    CF, Indians

    13. David Wright
    3B, Mets

    14. Justin Morneau
    1B, Twins

    15. Jimmy Rollins
    SS, Phillies

    16. Josh Beckett
    SP, Red Sox

    17. Mark Teixeira
    1B, Yankees

    18. Dustin Pedroia
    2B, Red Sox

    19. Tim Lincecum
    SP, Giants

    20. Evan Longoria
    3B, Rays

    21. Lance Berkman
    1B, Astros

    22. Jose Reyes
    SS, Mets

    23. Carlos Beltran
    CF, Mets

    24. Ian Kinsler
    2B, Rangers

    25. Zack Greinke
    SP, Royals

    26. Josh Hamilton
    CF, Rangers

    27. Alfonso Soriano
    LF, Cubs

    28. Miguel Cabrera
    1B, Tigers

    29. CC Sabathia
    SP, Yankees

    30. Ichiro Suzuki
    RF, Mariners

    31. Brandon Webb
    SP, Diamondbacks

    32. Ryan Braun
    LF, Brewers

    33. Dan Haren
    SP, Diamondbacks

    34. Francisco Rodriguez
    RP, Mets

    35. Matt Holliday
    LF, A's

    36. Kevin Youkilis
    1B, Red Sox

    37. Vladimir Guerrero
    RF, Angels

    38. Jake Peavy
    SP, Padres

    39. Joe Mauer
    C, Twins

    40. Carlos Quentin
    LF, White Sox

    41. Jason Bay
    LF, Red Sox

    42. Chad Billingsley
    SP, Dodgers

    43. Cliff Lee
    SP, Indians

    44. Torii Hunter
    CF, Angels

    45. Victor Martinez
    C/1B, Indians

    46. Roy Oswalt
    SP, Astros

    47. Carlos Delgado
    1B, Mets

    48. Carlos Zambrano
    SP, Cubs

    49. Cole Hamels
    SP, Phillies

    50. Brian McCann
    C, Braves

    http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=550872

    thoughts? i think rivera is to high, and longoria to low
     
  2. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    i stopped reading the list after Jeter was in the top 10, much less higher then Evan freakin Longoria....


    edit: this list is pathetic...but to point out one other one...Ian Kinsler that high and ahead of the likes of Miguel Cabrera? LMFAO!!
     
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  3. Ray Finkle

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    Umm the list sucks.

    Just looking at it quickly I just don't know where to start. No way Jeter in the top 10, I'm really not sure he'd be in the top 30 or 40. There's Rivera at 9 (which is insane) and also K-Rod but no Joe Nathan or Papelbon. Beckett at 16, really? Manny at 4 over guys like Hanley and Utley? I wouldn't even have put guys like Guerrero, Delgado, McCann, Zambrano, you know what I'm just going to stop, the list makes zero sense and is just terrible.
     
  4. Boik14

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    At this stage Rivera is too high but not by much. I hate the closer position in general but if there is a player with value there its Rivera and Papelbon. They've got nerves of steel in the big spots and dominate the opponent. I suppose we could drop Rivera some but it would be because of his age not necessarily because of his performance.

    The guys I think are too low: David Wright, Ryan Braun, Jason Bay
    Too high: Rivera, Josh Beckett, Ian Kinsler, Ichiro, Holliday, Cliff Lee, Roy Oswalt

    Cases for/Cases against:
    David Wright
    Rated too low based on: Still young, 4 straight 100 rbi seasons, restored previously putrid franchise for the 3 years prior to his arrival back to relevance. 1st full season the team jumped 17 wins. Consistent 30-30 threat...100 runs and rbi usually a given. Id probably switch him and Rivera

    Ryan Braun
    Rated too low based on: Tons of power, high average hitter who like Wright has not entered his prime yet. Would move him in to the 20-25 range

    Jason Bay
    Rated too low based on: Clutch hitter in his prime has done an outstanding job replacing Manny's production. Underrated defender with a knack for the clutch hit. Would probably switch him with Ichiro

    Josh Beckett:
    Rated too high based on: Rarely healthy, inconsistent from year to year. Great postseason performer but regular season is iffy. Should really be somewhere in the 36-44 range.

    Ian Kinsler
    Rated too high based on: Has never played a full season. Rating seems to be based on position scarcity but then why isn't a guy like Brandon Phillips on the list when hes regularly a 25hr/25SB guy just like Kinsler? I would probably drop him 10-15 spots.

    Ichiro Suzuki
    Rated too high based on: Age, not the same player. Doesnt hit for quite as high an average as he used too. Id probably drop him about 10-12 spots.

    Matt Holliday
    Rated too high based on: Home/Away OPS splits. Last 3 years outside of Coors hes experienced a difference of at least 125 OPS points each year peaking last year at nearly a 200 point difference. Good player but stats are certainly coors inflated.

    Cliff Lee
    Rated too high based on: Good pitcher but really a #3 starter, maybe a 2 in a good year. Year to year consistency is a major issue. Except for last year, peripherals are very average. If the ratings are based entirely off of last year then hes not ranked nearly high enough. On a year to year basis, dropped out of top 50

    Roy Oswalt
    Rated too high based on: K/9 has decreased each of past few years, seems to be a second half pitcher. Would drop him just outside top 50.

    Substitutions I would make:
    Out: Carlos Zambrano
    In: Chris Carpenter

    Out: Roy Oswalt
    In: James Shields

    Out: Cliff Lee
    In: Carl Crawford
     
  5. King Felix

    King Felix Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    boik wouldnt you disagree with quentin too for same reason as kinsler?
     
  6. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ya I probably would. :up:
     
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  7. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    I don't mind seeing Manny at #4. I don't think many people would doubt how important he is and was to the Dodger offense not only in runs produced and OBP but giving the youngsters a much needed esteem boost. Just look at Ethier's production pre and post-suspension.
     
  8. Jt0323

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    Roy Halladay imo is the best picture in baseball, and could be making so much money somewhere else if it was not for the fact, he likes playing in Canada...
     
  9. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    I didn't know he was up for an Academy Award. :wink2:
     
  10. Jt0323

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    i dont understand the logic of some of these steroid allegation with Jeter and Rivera...
     
  11. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Nah they got that one right. Johan > Halladay :up:
     
  12. King Felix

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    i agree with most of the objections of this list. but the biggest travesty is that the GOAT pitcher King Felix is not number 1 on the list. automatically discredits the list
     
  13. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    Chipper on steroids? bwahahahaha. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.
     
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  14. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    yeah they should have just numbered the red sox roster............ :pointlol:
     
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  15. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    ok dude, what makes you think chipper is on roids, his awesome power or his constantly getting injured. Maybe you should actually watch baseball before you comment on this list.
     
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  16. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    You're in a league of your own. :shifty:
     
  17. High Definition

    High Definition No Smoke / No Drink 2011+

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    Entire league is a joke to me now. I can't say how good a player really is, because it's extremely questionable whether or not that player would be clean.
     
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  18. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    :cry:
     
  19. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    But who would be the other 25 guys? This was a good comment, well played sir.
     
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  20. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    like I said stop watching the wnba, watch some baseball, maybe read a book or two about it, sign up for a softball league, then you and I can talk.
     
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  21. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If you're going to throw random garbage out there have some proof. Otherwise do us all a favor and stop going for the cheap thrill just to antagonize people. Thanks.

    And for the record Chipper is on the top 5 players I would be most shocked if he was caught on steroids along with Wright, Jeter, Johan Santana, and Evan Longoria. And Im a Mets fan who has watched his team be burnt more by chipper then I care to recollect.
     
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  22. King Felix

    King Felix Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    back on topic guys.

    kthx
     
  23. muscle979

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    :lol: Sorry, I'll try to stop laughing long enough to type this. Chipper is going to the Hall of Fame.
     
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  24. muscle979

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    Good to see McCann pop up at the end of the list and get some recognition. I'd probably put Wright higher on the list than Hanley Ramirez, though they play different positions. Just my opinion.
     
  25. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Strongly disagree.

    Hanley has more tools than Wright, and has improved his defense to where he's slightly above average. That makes him a better player, especially when he hasn't had nearly the protection in the lineup Wright has had.

    EDIT: Not to say Wright isn't a great player because he is.
     
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  26. Fin Fan In Cali

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    If you have an opinion in this thread please add more insight then he sucks.
     
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  27. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    I dont know how you can put Manny that high after the whole steroid thing. Unless you just dont care about that.

    Granted, many players were/are juicing, but to actually get caught?
     
  28. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    Considering he'd been clean after numerous tests for years earlier, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Hell, A-Rod's #2 on there yet no gripe about him?
     
  29. King Felix

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    i dont agree with hanley. he might have the talent but he hasn't had any success in the league team-wise. not much of a leader or hasn't had the chance to be one yet.....just my opinion
     
  30. Alex44

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    He's one hitter out of 8 man. A-Rod didn't have a lot of success team wise in Texas for a while. It didn't mean he wasnt a top player in the league. One player can't win a baseball game.

    In fact its more impressive, because it means he doesnt have any protection in the lineup.
     
  31. muscle979

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    I think you're overblowing this protection in the lineup thing a little bit. I just think Wright is a top notch player. It gives me no pleasure talking up a Met, believe me. I wanted to believe he was overrated but he's not. He hasn't caught up to Chipper yet among 3rd baseman but he's got a shot.
     
  32. King Felix

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    well ichiro was pretty good on the 2001 team but besides that he hasn't been on very many good teams. dude is not a leader either but i think were he is okay. maybe a little lower. im just saying a lot of those guys have proven themselves in the playoffs and on legit world series contender teams and hanley hasn't yet(key word:yet). not trying to discredit him i said in the other post he has top 5 talent.
     
  33. Ray Finkle

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    That's unfair. This is the top 50 players, not top 50 teams, team success should have no bearing on the list. It's not Hanley's fault he's on a bad team. If you want to say Hanley shouldn't be that high because he's defense is a little shakey that's fine but then guys like Manny would be lower.
     
  34. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I never said Wright was overrated. I think he belongs on the top ten of that list.

    The only thing Wright did have over Hanley was defense, and while he is still better in that aspect Hanley has closed the gap by a lot.
     
  35. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    you sure that the only thing Wright does better is defense?

    Last I checked Hanley didnt have:
    4 100+ rbi seasons, actually he has 0.
    Hanley for his career is 309BA/381obp/912ops vs Wright being 312BA/393/926....slight edge wright
    Wright gets more extra basehits

    Hanley steals more but everything else is pretty even. Id say you could make a case either way. :wink2:
     
  36. muscle979

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    Looking it over a little more closely I can't really get behind Carlos Delgado being higher on the list than McCann.
     
  37. Roman529

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    Jeter 8th??? Maybe 5 years ago. I would put him around #20.

    Also, Raul Ibanez of the Phillies is having an MVP season, and I don't see him anywhere on the list.
     
  38. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    I don't doubt Ibanez is having a tremendously great half of a season, I don't think he's had the kind of production consistently to warrant top 50. Not to mention his numbers could whittle down in the 2nd half.
     
  39. Boik14

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    Based on position scarcity and age you would be correct. Going by pure stats you would be wrong. Delgado is capable of carrying a team for weeks at a time.
     
  40. Boik14

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    Not to mention he had the worst zone rating in the league last year.
     

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