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Merged: Darren Mcfadden is a must....

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by minus, Dec 7, 2007.

  1. DeDolfan

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    Since the jury is still out on Beck, IMO, DT is our most glaring need. With that said then Dorsey would be the obvious pick. However, the only thing about him that frightens me are the knee and back problems he is supposed to have. At this point, the only other player worthy of the first pick is McFadden and if Dorsey's durability is still an issue on draft day then I go for mcFadden. Not that I lack faith in Ronnie but because I have complete fsaith in him and don't want to waste the pick. yes, we'd have 2 top paid RBs and whoever our oC is next year, would just have to get the most bang for our buck. We'd have to play them both together much like we did Ricky and Ronnie. McFadden may be the better pure runner but Ronnie is no slouch either. Ronnie may be the better pass catcher but mcFadden could be good as well. mcFadden has pretty good QBing skills as well. This dual talented backfield could take immense pressure off beck perhaps. With both RBs back there, the D will be guessing. Who gets the ball? Imagine a pitchout to McFadden on the strong side with Ronnie out in front. McFadden could run the option or just an outright sweep or even a type of screen to Ronnie. Sorry to get carried away a bit, but that's basically why I'd take mcFadden even tho we "don't need him".
     
  2. Shifty187

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    If you think Dorsey is the next Reggie White your in for a rude f'n awakening!

    Its funny how pretty much everyone on these boards wants to de-emphasize McFaddens otherworldly ability just because we already have Brown on the roster. The last time I checked it takes RB's a full calendar year (at the very least) to recover from a blown ACL. Im not talking about the ligament healing but strength in the joint and the ability to cut.

    Lets pass on a once in a generation type player for a 300+ pounder with (possibly degenerative) back and knee problems.
     
  3. RevRick

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    Methinks he has the necessary gonads to realize the real needs of the team as opposed to those who think only with that biological portion of the body instead of their brains, as we have seen witnessed on the board a lot of late. McFadden right now is not the economic choice. We need to build the middle of the defense right now, DT, MLB, CB, and find another WR who can actually manage to hold onto the ball when it hits his hands and another OL who can be molded into a replacment for whoever wears down this year. RB we do not need that high.
     
  4. thedolphinsmakemecry

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    Good post.

    I'll preface this by saying I'm not a college football fan, so I've only watched a handful of games this year, BUT:

    I want McFadden, although my opinion might change between now and before the draft. How many more years do we have to watch a boring Dolphins offense? 5 yards here, 3 yards there, a big play for 28 yards there, etc...We need playmakers on offense more desperately than the 40 year old virgin needs to get laid. McFadden would give us 3 players and 2 starters on offense who can score from anywhere on the field at any given time (Ginn, L. Booker are the other 2). Yes, I know, you don't want to tie up $100 billion dollars in two running backs, but all you have to do is remember how things were earlier in the season when Ronnie Brown wasn't favored by the coaching staff. I love Ronnie and his toughness, but it's also been consistently evident throughout Ronnie Brown's career that he does not have breakaway speed. Who knows? The plan could be to trade Ronnie next year if we get McFadden.

    Here's a snippet from a Randy Mueller interview back in April a few weeks before the draft:

    http://www.miamidolphins.com/newsite/news/top_story.asp?contentID=5107&lid=5107

    Here's a quote from Cam Cameron at his introductory press conference back on 1/19/07:

    http://www.miamidolphins.com/newsite/news/top_story.asp?contentID=5013&lid=5013
    A few weeks before the draft, Mueller also made a comment (and I'm paraphrasing; can't find the quote) that what you're looking for on film and what you always look for is speed on either side of the ball. A guy that jumps out at you on film. He went on to say that alot of players he drafted in the past weren't on the radar and he was actually scouting different players on a particular team, and the play from the "dynamite" player spoke so loudly that he ended up getting drafted instead.

    Really, I can see the arguments for both sides. There are very strong arguments either way. Our defense is swiss cheese and desperately needs a DL overhaul. I would normally object to taking a DT at #1 but from what I hear, Dorsey is a hell of a pass rusher, which is different from the typical DT you can get in later rounds who are more run stuffers than pass rushers.

    A DT who can not only clog the middle of the line but ALSO get after the QB on a consistent basis is huge for any team. That means double and triple teams. That means the oppositions' offense needs to keep an extra TE or RB in to block, which in turn limits the opposing teams' offensive weapons significantly.

    How many times have we seen our former matador like OL get beat so badly to the point that we were keeping extra players in to block, and then the QB is looking downfield at 2 WRs running routes against 5 DBs? You don't have to know math well to know that matchup advantage goes to the defense. Having a beast of a DT who can rush the passer means he's forced into making quicker throws (if he isn't knocked on his butt first) which are more likely to be thrown out of bounds, incomplete, or intercepted.

    I wouldn't mind trading down and taking the best DE on the board, either. Anyone who's watched the games this year can see that we are aching for another pass rusher besides JT. No pass rush get the LBs beat up by the OL, and makes the DBs more susceptible to get beat since the QB has more time to read the field.

    Taking Jake Long would be fine with me too, that is, if he truly is an elite LT prospect. There's a reason why you don't see great LTs switch teams in free agency. They're too hard to come by. Protecting the QBs blindside cannot be underestimated. Taking Long would allow us to move Vernon back to RT, helping to further solidify our OL.

    Anyway you slice it, our first round pick is going to contribute in a major way, and I'm excited about it! Yea, I said it...EXCITED! Remember the days of not having a first round pick, or not remembering who the first round pick was? Here's another interesting thing to look at.

    http://www.fftoday.com/nfl/drafttracker.php?o=by_team&TeamID=9002

    Since 2004, all of our first round picks are starters. Wow...how refreshing (Thanks alot '94-'95 Shula, Jimmy, Wannstache). Take a look at our drafts pre 2004 and you can see the main contributing factor to why we're 0-12.
     
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  5. SuperMarksBros.

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    drafting mcfadden would be silly. that said, the best that can happen is he have a magnificent combine. i see dallas as a logical trade partner, they are very close to being patriot-esque, have 2 1st rounders(a late mid and a late 1st), and jerry jones(arkansas alum) must be frothing at the idea of a razorback being the heir apperent to #22. oh, and knows mcfadden doesnt get past NE at 2 or jets at 3.

    #1 overall for #23-ish and #31? i can get with that.
     
  6. thedolphinsmakemecry

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    I assume you're a Canes fan based on the screen name. What do you think of trading down and getting Calais Campbell? He sounds like a beast:

    http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/calais_campbell.html
     
  7. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    Yeah, I'm a truck driver. Thanks for your interest..

    We do? Who? Has he won a game? If he has not won a game, what you makes you say so definatively "We have a QB." You are a scout aren't you? :glare:

    O' Okay... So you are a GM. Or is it a scout? I've got you pegged for one though. You seem to know your stuff.

    I thought our current left tackle started at right tackle in college. Now, in the world according to 24/7, a left tackle in college is a right tackle in the NFL. It must be your scouting prowess to pick that out so astutely.

    What was your scouting grade on Chris Long? What games did you go to? Did he perform well? Was he injured during the Clemson game or something? Cause I never saw him...

    You must be an east coast scout knowing so much about Chris Long. How did you get to scout Michigan AND Virginia? You lucky dog. You must have some frequent flyer miles through the roof.

    Wow! You are scouting Louisiana too! Racking up the frequent flyer miles!

    I told you why. You told me that this was the exact reason why I'm not a GM. All that is left to me is to bow to your scouting prowess.

    Wow! You see only ONE weakness in this team? Could you explain the strengths? I'm having trouble seeing the Dolphins strengths. It must be my lack of ability to scout.

    Uh, I don't think I put it quite that way but anyway....

    Could you tell me what GMs might be interested in Dorsey? You think they might be willing to trade up to get him. I mean you have him rated so highly and all. Who do you think would trade up to get him..

    That is weird. I've seen him pegged for a 3 technique. I've seen him pegged for a "Warren Sapp".

    Now don't misunderstand me here as I don't want to question your almighty authority but did we not just draft a nose tackle in the third round. I mean Paul Solail is a nose tackle is he not? And since we drafted a nose tackle with a "first day pick" would that not signify that a two gapping nose tackle is a priority for this team. I was thinking that Keith Traylor's contract was for two years. I thought that would give the Miami Dolphins two years to bring this kid up to snuff in the NFL. I thought the Dolphins might have plans to ease him into the rotation in 2008. You have us pegged for a possibility of a Glenn Dorsey pick? You say that is a position of need for the Dolphins? WOW!

    So let me get this straight in my head. The Dolphins have the first pick in the draft. They just drafted a 344lb man with a first day pick. You say they might draft Glenn Dorsey. That would mean Glenn Dorsey is going to put on an extra 40-50 to play in front of the center or guard. Or are you saying that at 288lbs he is going to take up two blockers through his shear strength? Or are you saying that we are going to take him and place him in a DE role? Or are you saying that we are going to draft a DT and turn him into a DE project with the first pick in the draft? Or are you saying that the Paul Solail pick was a waste? I'm confused. Could you help me out here. You seem to know what you are talking about. I mean you know for a fact that Glenn Dorsey fits a position of need. So much so that the Dolphins need to pick him at -

    THE FIRST OVERALL PICK IN THE DRAFT
     
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  8. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    RevRick, When I saw your post it confirmed that my post just read wrong. You had a little more tact in your approach so let me explain.

    Look at all the positions I listed on that post.

    Look at the past five drafts.

    Look at the first five picks of the past five drafts.

    Do you think there is a chance in hell that he will not pick one of those positions?

    The statement as it pertained to Mueller was made with fecitious intent. I know he is picking one of those positions if we pick at NUMBER 1. Has there ever been a defensive tackle picked number 1 overall? I think we would be the laughing stock of the entire league if he made that pick. Uh, then again we are the laughing stock of the league. Let me just say that I have a higher opinion of Randy Mueller than to think he would pick a DT at number 1......especially considering we don't even need a prototypical 3 technique.
     
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  9. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    dolphinsmakemecry, Your post was so long that all I concentrated on was the Cam Cameron interview. I want you to consider this. Cam Cameron was talking offense. On the other side of the ball, the three level concept defenses outside/in.
     
  10. thedolphinsmakemecry

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    I realize that my post was ckparrothead esque, (where is he by the way? we all miss his analysis) but the main point of the Cameron interview is:

    "But you got to score. That's the oldest principle in this game. Before there was a way to keep score, you try to score. You got to score. That's the way it works."

    Would I love a dominant defensive lineman? Sure! We've had that before, but what has that gotten us? Remember Tim Bowens, Daryl Gardner, Jason Taylor, Trace Armstrong? And on and on and on...we've had beasts on our DL in the past, had plenty off pass rush, and how did that work out for us? Early exits in the playoffs because we had no running game and not enought explosion on offense. We're in a unique position in the '08 draft to draft a gamechanger on offense.

    The Vikings have one of the best defensive lines in the league. They're 6-6. Why? No offense, and if it weren't for Adrian Peterson, they'd no doubt be a sub .500 team.

    We've already seen the impact simply having Ted Ginn on the field does to defenses. They have to respect his speed, and the defensive coverage for the opponent changes. How apt is any defense going to be to overcommit to either the run or the pass when you have a gamebreaker at RB and WR? More speed on offense forces the defense to play less aggressive.

    And if we can acquire a TE with some serious skill, along with Beck, Ginn, and Lorenzo Booker continuing to develop of course, teams will have headaches trying to stop us.
     
  11. Zod

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    I talked to him on phinchat the other day. He was being blocked by "drunken" I think. I don't know what is causing it. I just know his issue was blocked. I think he is on a business network.



    ......and I got your point. I just wanted to throw in a little clarification about defensive priority being outside/in.
     
  12. thedolphinsmakemecry

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    Point taken. I saw your list of priorities for a top 5 pick; sound reasoning there. What would you do with the #1 overall pick if you were the GM? I would say QB if there was an elite QB prospect on the board. QB is the most important position in sports.
     
  13. Celtkin

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  14. Zod

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    If I'm GM it's because I have an eye for talent (and I'm not GM so I don't have that eye). Anyway......

    Unemployed GMs and whatnot on TV/Radio/Print have always said that their isn't much difference in the top ten on the draft board. The number can be lower than that. The number can be higher than that. The mean number is 10. They are the top ten athletes in college football. They stand out from the pack.

    Given that number I would say that we have our choice in the pick.

    The same unemployed GMs, scouts, and whatnot say that if you are in position to take the passer, you take the passer. It doesn't matter if you have one already.

    We are sitting here with four games left. Nobody knows what to think of John Beck. So we don't even know if we have ONE passer. I have heard from Steve Young, Solomon Wilcots, Randy Cross, and Jim Miller on the topic of John Beck. Young was the most public comments on ESPN. You have already heard about those. The rest of that group is on Sirius NFL radio. I listen to about seven hours per night. I would like to hear Pat Kirwans opinion but they don't replay his show too often anymore for some reason. To the point, every one of those listed said they liked what John Beck offers the Miami Dolphins. Myself, I've been worried about him picking up bad habits for being thrown in the fire too soon.

    Did you notice something? You asked about MY pick. I went straight to the question mark. I think Randy Mueller and Cam Cameron will go straight to the question mark too. If they don't pick another QB in this draft, they are married to John Beck. We are married to John Beck. It will probably take another two years of football to know if the marriage will work. That is the safe estimate but enough about them. I'm talking ME here.

    Me, I'm taking offense in this draft. I'm taking another QB with the first pick. You don't find yourself in this position often and the competition for a position doesn't hurt anybody. Just look at the situation in Cleveland. If someone offers me enough for the pick, I'm taking the trade. Otherwise, I'm taking the quarterback. Notice that I didn't name one of them. I'm taking the best one. I don't have a favorite. I'm not a scout. I'm just taking the best top ten rated QB out there.

    If I trade down, that means I'm still in the top ten. I'm taking the best off MY BOARD. I don't care which side of the ball that he is on. The tiebreaker goes to the offense. The top ten is the top ten. I've already established what I think about the top ten. I think that because of what I have been told. There is nothing else to it.

    The second pick of the draft should still be in the first round or it's the first pick in the second round. It's essentially a mid to late first round pick. I'm taking whichever receiver or cornerback is nearest my board. I'm taking that because my O-line coach doesn't want high draft picks. I trust my O-line coach. We are out of the top ten so now we are in a clump of 20 players that are all the same. It doesn't matter whether I get the pick through trade or not. I'm in the pick range to say the same things.

    With all that said, I will say that I have never been right about a draft. I have never been right because I don't put much effort in it. There are too many intangibles for a novice to be guessing. I've never been right because I realize very few are correct in their assumptions. I've looked for patterns in picks though. I have reviewed Randy Muellers hits and misses. I love his history. It's better than most.

    I think picking up veteran defensive players in free agency works better than picking up veteran offensive players. I think you want a young offense and a veteran defense. That is why I'm focused upon offense in this draft. I'm in hopes that between Cameron (Chargers) and Capers (Texans) someone worth a crap is coming around cheap to fill a hole on defense. It doesn't neccessarily have to be from the two teams listed neither. Coaching circles are really smaller than you think.

    Did that make any sense? :confused2:
     
  15. DOLFAN91

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    for all those dolphins fans who are dreaming that ronnie brown will be 100% next season... are "JUST DREAMING"!!! ACL tears even with the advancement in medicine today are a 2 year injury before athletes return to 100%... those people who believe other wise are in for a RUDE awakening!!! so please tell me who will run the football for the miami dolphins in 2008... those who think chatman is going to be worth the F/A money he could possibly command on the open market!!!! are not thinking clearly... if ronnie brown does come back in 2008... i will bet the house it WON'T be at 100%... leaving brown 1 year on his origional contract when he does return in 2009 at 30 years old!!! IMO mcfadden DOES make sense as the #1 overall pick for the miami dolphins... don't get me wrong i was jumping for joy watching brown before his injury... BUT unfortunately he got HURT!!! leaving the fins in a pickle at the RB spot!!! the history of the nfl draft points to the RB being more successful than any other position picked as the #1 overall!!! i for one would hate to see miami NOT pick mcfadden and he becomes the focal point on another team that wins and gets into the playoffs... while miami still sputters on offense!!! i think mueller knows that mcfadden can change maimi's fortunes alot faster than any other available player at #1
     
  16. Fla Phin

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    If the Pats select McFadden then we better pick someone who can stop the run...or it'll be an even longer decade until the ship gets righted.
     
  17. JMHPhin

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    LOL yeah really stupid thing to take Dorsey, because even tho he is a special talent and was mentioned for teh heisman even while injured and constantly beat double teams and triple teams injured and has teh exact mind set you love in a player, he is a DT and DT cannot be impact players. Sarcasm over.

    Dorsey has to be the pick, you dont overload a position of strength and do nothing for teh weaknesses. Dorsey is teh BPA along with MCfadden and when you have 2 guys worthy go with need.
     
  18. JMHPhin

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    Ok DR DOLPAHN91,LOL The REAL doctors said this was just a straight ACL injury and not the one that effects the tissue and cartlidge or whatever, I am not a doctor, but when Ronnie went down, teh Doctors said specifically he will heal 100% and would be ready by camp thereabouts. So you tell me your opinion, I will wait to see if teh Doctors are right. Factor in that we can resign Chatman and Ricky will be back, we have that position in good hands.
     
  19. padre31

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    As I recall about Ronnie, in 2006 he had a bad hammy that he tried to play on anyway, then he broke his hand?

    Anywho, whether we take Dorsey or not, we should bluff that we are going to take McFadden, "if" we make Dorsey "our guy" 6 months before the draft, that is like not having the #1 in the first place.

    If we are going to hijack some team's draft in a trade, we will have to appear to be prepared to use it ourselves on the guy the other team (Dallas) wants.

    To put it another way, who else but us is lining up to draft Glenn Dorsey?

    Now McFadden on the other hand....:up:
     
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    We haven't scored a TD in three games, our Offense is as bad as defense, we have no "position" of strength on either side of the ball.
     
  21. sweeper

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    what scares with me dorsey is the back n knee issues epsecially due to the position he plays. Isn't taht why bowens went down into retirement? :(

    I rem hearing a lot about dorsey last year before the draft and if he were to declare this and that bla bla bla was being said.

    I dono maybe we can use dorsey like Ravens are using Ngata? isn't Ngata playign End for them? Personally i dont see Dorrsey putting on much more weight. he is def. not a NT. Look at Solai, so powerful, so quick, great movement but last week tehy said the problem wiht him is his technique. He doesnt have that down yet and the hand positioning. He is a 344 DT moving like a HOlliday. I think if he gets the technique down we will get that hole fixed but who knows. I wouldnt mind a Dorsey either but if u look at GM, he goes for who can break a big one at any time. Booker was that, Ginn, and now Mcfad. RB is not a home run hitter like those 2 and now like Mcfad. dont be surprised if miami takes Mcfad n trades RB.
     
  22. unifiedtheory

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    You say drafting Dorsey "is not the logical move" and if he does you want Mueller "fired". But then you follow that up with a list of positions that you do want to use the pick on, all of which have NO PROSPECTS that are rated as top 5 players.

    So, instead of drafting a top 5 talent you'd rather see Mueller REACH for a player at a specific position? That is a reason to fire Mueller.

    We just invested a 2nd rounder in Beck and there are no "sure fire" franchise type passers coming out in this draft to use the #1 pick on. If there was a Manning/Palmer type prospect I'd agree but there is not so we'd have to reach.

    Who?! Any receiver taken at #1 would be reach of the century

    I'm not a big Jake Long fan, he's more suited to play right tackle. You don't draft right tackles with the #1 pick in the draft.

    We need a corner but none are worthy of being taken #1, not even close. Besides, there has not been a corner taken with the #1 pick that I can find (I looked back to 1967).

    This is the only thing that you've said that makes sense to be honest. Chris Long makes sense at #1 but I like Dorsey more.

    Stopping the run is THE most important aspect to winning football games, always has been, always will be. when you can stop the run it makes teams one dimensional and easier to defense their passing game.

    How does Dorsey not help our pass defense BTW? Him getting double teamed, freeing up blitzers and edge defenders does not help? Him penetrating the middle, collapsing the pocket and getting after the passer does not help? Ask the Steelers if Joe Greene helped their pass defense, or if Warren Sapp helped the Bucs pass defense.

    I think taking Dorsey #1 shows Randy Mueller has a lot of sack to be honest. He'd have to take attacks from people who look at football from a skilled perspective.

    You win UP FRONT. You stop the run, run the football and protect your passer. No matter what new wrinkles come into the sport it will always be the same. If you stop the run, you win football games...period.
     
  23. thedolphinsmakemecry

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    What about the injury concerns with Dorsey? What's the diagnosis on his injuries? That worries me. And how much of a pass rusher can he be playing NT or DT in the NFL? He's listed at 299. He'll be outweighed every week by at least 20 pounds.
     
  24. thedolphinsmakemecry

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    I agree with what yoiu said about Mueller. I have confidence in his knowledge and experience. He's big on speed and quickness on both sides of the ball. And we're not married to John Beck, although the coaching staffs loves him. Mueller had an interview awhile back and he said his philosophy is to draft a quarterback every year. His track record shows it.

    Here's something else. If we sign Haynesworth in free agency, trade down and grab a DE, that will significantly improve the DL. Trading down with any team of course means that we'll have at least 3 extra pics and maybe an extra one for next years draft.

    Anyway you roll the dice, the future looks very bright. We're stockpiling picks, and for the first time in a long time, the Dolphins have GM who knows what he's doing. Shula's final years, Jimmy's, and Wannstache's drafts are what ruined this team.

    As much I despise that guy who now coaches in Alabama, he's the one who started this team back on the right track with his drafting. Now if we can finally find that legit gamebreaker #1 WR, you know, someone who doesn't slip and fall all the time and actually catches the ball...
     
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  25. sweeper

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    FInally a Booker hater besides me. :)

    as for the rest, Haynes isnt worht the money hyell demand nor is he consistent. QB moto for Mueller is that as u stated but not with the 1st pick, then a 2nd rounder the year before, a 2 the following year buddy. All teh guys he found were i believe( correct me if im wrong) 4th round prospects and up if not 3rd.
     
  26. thedolphinsmakemecry

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    Yes, they were late round picks. I wouldn't want an early round QB in this draft though. That's for Day 2. I believe Mueller will trade down at least once so we'll have plenty of picks to fill holes and draft another prospect at QB.

    Oh yeah...Booker hater? Put it this way, I'll drive Mr. Booker personally to Fort Lauderdale airport after he gets cut. I'm tired of the other team's rejects for all these years. No more James McDrops, Gary Clark, Bret Perriman, and so many others I can't even remember.
     
  27. sweeper

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    oo let me refresh ur memory a bit...McKnight, Jeno James, shelton, Fanoti, Anderson, Seth, I dont even wna ntalk about the QBs yet...

    BTW according to many ppl on this forum, they believe booker is good WR. They also thought James ne veryone else we released last year were good players but yet majority especially off our o line haven't even gotten a letter of interest at the least. Majority of our starters are 3rd stringers and 2nd stringers on many teams but we over pay them n have em on our team cuz we dont wna cough up an extra mill or two for someone heads n shoulders above another player. Also at the time it was pointless cuz we had NTN to build around so I understand why.
     
  28. thedolphinsmakemecry

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    Oh believe me, I know. I was just mentioning the WRs...I don't know how long you've been apart of FinHeaven, but McKnight was unaffectionately called McDrops. It's good to finally feel confidence in a GM who doesn't trade 2nd rounders for A.J. Feely, you know the rest...
     
  29. TimeGap

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    I would love the QB from Delaware in the 4th or 6th round.
     
  30. Zod

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    And I will repeat what I have said before. Where are you getting your information? All of the websites that people are using as resources have had our pick changed within the past month. We were pegged for Brian Brohm on one of them just last month. To be frank, I don't believe any of the stuff we are currently reading regarding who is a "top ten".

    I never said "reach". Your comment has the talent as a reach. How do you know that any one of those positions will be a reach? The top ten is usually filled by many different positions. Are they not? Are the positions that I listed not usually in the top ten? Why would you now describe those people as a reach? They are in the TOP FREAKING TEN.

    and we just invested a third rounder in Paul Solail - see post number 47 in this thread.

    Says who? Don't throw me a bunch of website links neither. I looked at all of them just last month. They all had Brohm and Ryan in the top ten. I don't like a QB pick with the information out there neither. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of any source used right now.

    Again, according to who? And since you said the word "reach" yet again, I'm going to have to pull up my comments from post #47 in this thread. You seem to have missed every post after the one you quoted here. So this is what I said as it pertains to the Dolphins and Glenn Dorsey. I believe that if you take ALL the sarcasm out of this post, you will find the Dolphins drafting Glenn Dorsey would make him a PROJECT at DE.

    I'll have to refer you to post number 47 again..

    Sounds logical. The purpose of including all of those positions was to relay the thought of ALL the positions (choices) directly effecting the passing game. Thereby including all the choices available to this type of pick.

    You say there is not a corner rated in the top ten. I can go along with that. I mean afterall, the hypocrites that run the draft websites haven't even had a corner rated so highly.

    Well I'm glad we could agree on something but even that is not on firm footing. Again I will refer you to post number 47.

    Thank you admitting that Randy Mueller would be clowned if he picked a DT at number 1. What makes that pick worse for the Dolphins is the fact that the two players you have listed (Joe Green, Warren Sapp) were two very different type of players. At this point, I am going to say this again from post number 47 because nobody seems to want to address the obvious when they mention the name Glenn Dorsey.


    Did you happen to see Keith Traylor's comment today. He said playing 40 snaps on defense tires you out. He prefers playing 25-30 snaps on defense as he did last year. Are we going to put the first overall pick in the draft in a "rotation" as opposed to taking a player for 60-70 snaps? The Dolphins would be taking a Project DE at the number one overall if they took Glenn Dorsey. He would have to two gap at the position. According to everything I have read, that ain't what he has been doing in college. You say "we don't reach" with the pick. On that note, I say we don't draft a project with the pick.
     
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  31. Vendigo

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    Maybe you should get your facts straight, Zod. We didn't draft Paul Soliai in the 3rd round. We drafted him in the fourth round. Which makes quite a difference as there's a significant drop off in LOI between first and 2nd day draftpicks.

    In addition, the jury is still out whether or not Soliai actually can play NT on the next level. So far, he hasn't exactly shown that he can although he was expected to push Traylor for major playing time. The truth of the matter is that we currently have no quality NT behind Traylor and Traylor is likely to retire after this season. Which leads directly to the problem of us having no starting caliber NT for the 3-4. If you don't want to switch back to the 4-3 again, you have a big gaping hole right there.
     
  32. PaPhinz

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    I was actually thinking the same thing while reading this. Did you see the Delaware/So. Illinois game? The one guy graded him as the 5th best QB coming out I believe, unless it was only senior QB's. He had Brennan as the 10th and Ryan as the 1st.
     
  33. Zod

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    You are correct. I was wrong about the third rounder. He is in fact a fourth rounder. What you are ignoring is the fact that he was the 9th pick in the fourth round. So he is 9 picks out of the third round.

    Are you telling me that the drop off from pick number 96 to pick number 105 is so significant that we must now determine that we have no solid nose tackle? Okay. :confused2:

    Right.... So with all that said in your post, you never made claim as to what you would do with the number one overall as it pertains to Glenn Dorsey.

    I mean are you suggesting that the Dolphins switch their entire scheme on the pick of Glenn Dorsey?

    Or are you suggesting that Glenn Dorsey will put on 40-50 pounds and play a role that he has never played?

    Or are you suggesting that Glenn Dorsey will play DE? Another role that he has never played.

    Or did you say nothing at all as it pertains to Glenn Dorsey and the number one overall?

    I would say you said the latter but that's just me.
     
  34. dolphins26

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    mcfadden makes sense. my thoughts...

    Ronnie Brown is stud. That said, Darren McFadden is the type of player, like Ad. peterson, that doesn't come around too often. A hard, fast, fearless, explosive, bona fide stud who will make life much easier for the offense that surrounds him. Cam is an offensive guy, and you know he is drooling.

    Glenn Dorsey is a stud as well. We are blessed to have these two guys as our options. The thing is, there are a plethora of d-lineman, STUD dlineman in this draft. With some creative GM'ing, we could lnd mcfadden AND sedrick elllis, chris long, or glenn dorsey (probablly not dorsey, but i digress). I for one wouldn't mind having ron brown AND mcfadden on my team. They'll probablly push each other in a positive way.

    Also, if we don't land a DT, Haynesworth and Rucker are available.

    I guess you have to extract the positives from this dismal season....but i guess im just a positive person. Its just sports, people.

    BTW i love john beck's throwing motion. i for one believe in him.....

    NOW LETS BEAT BUFFALO!
     
  35. Carabinieri44

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    what is every team's goal?? to win the super bowl. thats what they play for.


    that said...Adrian Peterson is a BEAST, darn good. but Minnesota is barely making the playoffs WITH him.

    if u have 10 seconds left, ball on the 50 and ur down by a TD....is a handoff to Adrian Peterson gonna work??? nope.

    the patriots have no running game, but they have a pass game...and a darn good one. yet they are undefeated.

    and again, Ronnie's contract PLUS McFadden's contract wouldnt make sense...



    THATS why, we DONT pick McFadden.
     
  36. ShaBam

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    That has to be the worst arguement I have EVER ever EVER seen....

    So we should completely draft based on one possible situation in a game? Why don't we just practice that play every practice, the entire time?
     
  37. Carabinieri44

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    people are saying draft mcFadden this and that, he will make our offense explode....im just saying, IF u are in that position, that 1st pick McFadden who u gave a 60 million contract to, is gonna be worthless in the position that...u have the ball on the 50 with 10 seconds left.

    now Arizona on the other hand, COULD do it...Fitzgerald, Boldin, and whoever else they have thats good...they could easily get a last second TD.
     
  38. dolphins26

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    you have got to be able to put together a better argument than that. the problem the dolphins have long had, drafting for need instead of talent, haunts us to this day. mcfadden is the most talented player in this draft, and i find it hard to even FATHOM an argument against that.
     
  39. ShaBam

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    So why did we draft Ted Ginn then....

    I see what you are saying and I agree with it to a point....our passing game as a whole needs to be overhauled....not to mention our entire offence.

    Obviously McFadden wouldn't help in the described situation...that's why you take him to try and NOT get in a situation where you are down at the end of the game.

    McFadden upgrades our offence right away. You're suggesting we need a passing game....well for that we will need a good QB....receivers....etc. Pretty hard to address all of those positions in one draft/offseason and have it pan out the way we want.
     
  40. MiamiMan147

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    Our problem isn't drafting need over BPA, it's being completely unable to judge who wont be a complete bust.
     

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