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Xbox 360, Playstation, Nintendo's, High End PC's About to be obsolete?

Discussion in 'Gaming Forum' started by vt_dolfan, Jun 17, 2009.

  1. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Not sure if anyone has seen this...but...if this works as described....watch the "f" out. Never have to upgrade console again...no need for high end GPU's....(Nvidia, can you hear the footsteps?)...

    Introducing OnLive..a new service starting in fall 2009.

    Heres a link to the Game Spot video...

    [ame="http://www.gamespot.com/video/6206677"]GameSpot Video: GDC 2009: OnLive Announcement[/ame]

    From wikipedia...

    "The service is a gaming equivalent of cloud computing: the game is synchronized, rendered, and stored on a remote server and delivered online"

    "The service was announced to be compatible with any Windows PC running Windows XP or Windows Vista, or any Intel-based Mac running OS X.[2] A low-end computer, as long as it can play video, may be used to play any kind of game since the game is computed on the OnLive server. For that reason, the service is being seen as a strong competitor for the console market.[3][4] Thus, Engadget states that "Broadband connections of 1.5 Mbps dials the image quality down to Wii levels while 4-5 Mbps pipes are required for HD resolution." The average broadband connection speed in the US at the end of 2008 was 3.9 Mbps, while 25% of US broadband connections were rated faster than 5 Mbps"

    And most importantly......the games. A system is nothing without the games...and OnLive has signed the big boys....

    "It was announced that Electronic Arts, Take-Two, Ubisoft, Epic Games, Atari, Codemasters, THQ, Warner Bros., 2D Boy and Eidos Interactive have signed up to have their PC games available on the service.[6] Sixteen game titles are currently available from the OnLive service.[7] The service is currently in closed beta with plans to have an open beta during the summer of 2009. The service is planned for release in the winter of 2009"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OnLive


    For anyone interested in some good reading behind Cloud and the OnLive service...OnLive Blog has some great info....

    http://blog.onlive.com/
     
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  2. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    My connection says 54mbps, but I am not sure about that. :lol:

    Anyway, it's been going around that we see a new batch of consoles much sooner than expected if this service really takes off. I'm a bit skeptical myself, especially if caps start getting put in around the country on broadband connections like is to be expected.
     
  3. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    I'm skeptical as well just because this has been tried before with services like Gametap and remember I think gamers are creatures of habit and they tend to stick with what they know (like you have a PC and console division). I'm just not sure gamers will jump on this and parents that know nothing about games will probably be all confused by this and avoid. Just my predictions but OnLive does look nice.
     
  4. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    im completely skeptical. I have enough problems with xbox live. A service like this would probably infuriate me so much id die from anger.
     
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  5. TrueDolFan

    TrueDolFan Minion of Satan

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    Interesting, but I don't think that being able to play various PC games over the internet is in any way a threat to consoles. Especially when there are ZERO first party titles.

    Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony would NEVER make a game available on other hardware, let alone some online service. Why bother making hardware to begin with?

    If they could manage to get 3rd party exclusives onto this service, that might help, but I don't see that happening.
     
  6. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    I had read something about this before, but didn't pay attention tbh. This is very interesting stuff. There are a few obvious drawbacks, and this company will have to claw it's way into the fight between the big 3. The wiki link does talk about Sony getting a patent on PS cloud. Seems like they're covering their bases. I would imagine Sony or MS could capitalize on this technology and service, but of course they have no reason to unless this service was successful. A catch 22...

    I'll def. keep an eye out for this, but I'm not going to take this to seriously until some time after it launches and reviews are sent in.

    eta:

    GDC press conference. http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6210128/onlive-snubbing-e3 This seems really cool... Imagine what MS can do with Xboxlive if this becomes huge?
     
  7. dolphan117

    dolphan117 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    It will be great if it works but I dont see it. Current games have lag issues even though minimal amounts of info are being sent back and forth and now we are going to stream HD video to all the people in the game and expect it not to lag?
     
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  8. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    There does seem to be alot of skepticism all around....I think alot of that has to do with the "tried that before" .... but this is what has me interested...look at the game developers that have signed on to provide games for this....EA, UBISoft, Atari, THQ...these are huge name game development companies....and they wouldnt have signed on if this didnt have at least some degree of traction....

    Cloud computing is definatley the way of the future..so really...what they are saying isnt far fetched....alot of the DSL speeds....and way our computers handle graphics really is software driven....so..if they have the software...this is entirely possible.

    Another plus is the CEO. I generally look at whos captaining the ship when I try and predict how a company will do...Steve Perlman started WebTV which was moderatley succesful as well as QuickTime....Apples core video player...

    MOVA is also a subsidiary....and what they can do with CGI is unreal...so...their is certainly some incredible possibilities....

    This one is definatley worth keeping an I on.....if it works...it only means great things for gamers....

    Edit:

    After more readin...here is one review of the service....

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/conferences/e3_2009/6153-OnLive-at-E3-It-Works
     
  9. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    You can never say never especially when two of the major gaming consoles out now were originally electronic giants that got into the gaming industry...who would have thought that back when the Genesis and SNES was battling it out.
     
  10. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    My hunch is that either one of two companies will buy OnLive if it works....

    MicroSoft...which I dont think will be the one...

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    Apple. This is where Apple makes its foray into gaming...but thats my prediction.

    I also see IBM getting involved in some way...I work for IBM and we have been touting cloud computing for a long time...as well as eBusiness On Demand...basically IBM thinks youll pay for your IT just like you do for your utilities...more you use...more it costs...but its instantaneous...

    Keep an eye on this one guys....this could be the Killer Ap that has been missing for quite awhile....the possibilities with this service is huge. HUGE.
     
  11. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Like SP said. It's about games. If everything works as planned, awesome. But it needs games. They have some very good developers signed up and that's encouraging. It doesn't necessarily need a ton of exclusives (A few would be cool) but it needs some of the better IPs.

    Also, I think you're right about apple. This is a perfect way for apple to get involved. Considering the money to be made in the market, apple has long been speculated to join in. This is revolutionary ****, and perfect for them.

    Great thread VT. I honestly wouldn't have known about this if you hadn't posted it. I'm pretty excited to see what happens with this stuff.
     
  12. vt_dolfan

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  13. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Thanks....its been completely stealthed for 7 years while in development...which is why many insiders say they have been able to sneak up on the console market....

    It couldnt have stayed secret for THAT long unless you have some serious leverage...

    If I understand what they are doing correctly...

    Basically it works like this....all of the calculations....your moves..etc...happen on one of their HUGE servers....its like they have the XBox 360 in their warehouse....you play it and see it on your screen....its the video compression where they have made the biggest gains....and this is where the lag will happen...but from what it looks like...their algo's have solved that.....
     
  14. TrueDolFan

    TrueDolFan Minion of Satan

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    Just because those comanies will produce some content for this service, don't assume that they will put very much money into it and create A-list exclusives...

    Here's the problem with this whole idea- What's to stop every game company from making their own cloud? Why let some middle-man make money off of them with this service? Why not go direct to the customer, ESPECIALLY when it's all online, and all you have to do is collect money from them and let them on your service?

    If the concept does catch on, and it well might, look for everybody under the sun to start their own cloud service, and THEN consoles would be in serious trouble.
     
  15. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

     
  16. mor911

    mor911 pooping

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    i personally think it's the future. However, I don't think OnLive is the future. It's a little ahead of it's time. Remember the Diomond Rio line of MP3 players? They were the first MP3 players the achieve commercial success in the late 90's early 2000's. It brought MP3 players to the forefront, but Apple perfected it with the iPod. And no iPod is BY FAR the number one name in MP3 players. Lots of people don't even know who Diamond (or the Rio) is.

    OnLive = Diamond Rio
     
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  17. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I might be interested in this, assuming it works, because of how many PC games out there can be run in 3D. Conveniently my tv is 3D compatible for such games, though I don't know if you'd be able to take advantage with this service. Currently you need a PC with dual core duo processor, and some other strict requirements, which makes me wish I was a PC gamer at times.
     
  18. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Until Apple buys it....
     
  19. TrueDolFan

    TrueDolFan Minion of Satan

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    MP3 files and video games are apples and oranges, but I agree with the logic.

    I think eventually, all game developers will release their games online like this, but like I said, do it themselves on their own cloud, rather than through some middle-man.
     
  20. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I'm not a PC gamer, so I am not 100% sure how it work, but I know Steam is HUGE right now.
     
  21. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Problem is they can't. How is a developer going to front the type of money required to set this up? And how will they make the money back? A dev. can only put out a certain amount of games per year. Maybe 1 or 2 is a AAA title. There's no money in it for a dev. to do this.

    read pg. 28 TDF http://issuu.com/develop/docs/develop_issue95. This guy explains why you won't be seeing onlive anywhere else.

    I was reading around, and some MS executive said they have nothing to announce as far as buying onlive. Interesting answer. Onlive seems right up MS ally. Combine this with their netflix deal... No more RRoD, no more disc scratching. Hook it up with Natal or something and bam... MS has the exclusives, and the ability to dominate the market for years down the road. With Xbox live being what it is, why not evolve it?

    I'm hoping a big company picks this up and runs with it to give it credibility and strength.
     
  22. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    Well MS is going this direction themselves as they're starting to release their games through Live. So I agree on this is the wave of the future, actually I agree with Mor on how this will work.
     
  23. Ultra

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    I would like it more if it was like Steam. I don't think I'd want to spend $50 - $60 bucks to stream and play a game online. I've had too many situations where I've lost internet service to be tied to it to play games. I like having the ability to play offline.
     
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  24. Get Up And Go

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    I like purchasing new consoles every few years. What can I say, I like new gadgets.
     
  25. Outtawack311

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    I have read up on this a little since the announcement at the GDC. I am hoping this works like they say, but i have serious doubts about it. With problems of lag in online gaming as it is I can't see a service like this surviving. How do they compensate for people with slower connections? What about when your internet just goes out? What happens if this is as big as they hope, do they really have the computing power for thousands of gamers to play on each regional server lag free in peak time? Who would want to play a lag filled Assassins Creed?

    I really can't see how they can offer lag free gaming. At first the problem will be minimal, but as more people start to play, the worse it gets. I don't think there is the computing power available at this time to offer that lag free experience to all of those people on one server per region.

    If this system fails, it will be because of two things; outrageous download/subscription costs and lag.
     
  26. Sethdaddy8

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    i dont think this will dent the way the gaming industry is, but these guys should find a market and make a few bucks.
     
  27. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    There's a **** load of links throughout the thread. I suggest reading them to answer some questions. I will point out there is no DL involved... It's all instantaneous.

    I said earlier and I'll say it again. I want to monitor the service (and obviously see their price points) before I decide to buy it. I got ****ed with the dreamcast and I don't want that to happen again.

    What interests me is never having to buy another pos console again. No more red rings, no more $600 consoles, just games. I'm surprised more people aren't excited tbh. I really hope it will be as advertised and takes off.

    How many people would buy it, assuming it works as directed?
     
  28. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    If it could do 3D gaming (with my tv), and had "fair" prices I'd probably buy it.
     
  29. Outtawack311

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    I have read the info on it. I still don't think it can work lag free with thousands on it at once transferring you from server to server. It is still run over the internet and when you are on the internet you are at the whim of your connection speed. How do they compensate for that?

    I have a great connection, but it still goes bad every now and then. If mean I can't enjoy a smooth gaming experience when the connection is acting up then I am going to be pissed.

    I never mentioned anything about downloading in concerns about the lag/speed. When I said download I meant the cost to play the games.

    Next time calm down a bit, I want this to work since I love gaming. I just have some massive reservations about Onlive.

    Edit: How did you get ****ed with the dreamcast? That system had/has some of the best games on it, plus its easy as hell to download them for free.
     
  30. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Im going to see the games lineup first and foremost.....thats most important. I have a 360 and my CPU is more than powerful enough to run most if not all games on better than average settings....

    That being said...the networking part has me interested...and the possibility to play Madden and Such....we'll just have to wait and see...Im certainly more than interested...and we wont have to wait long.
     
  31. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    I bought a system that died in two years. Kind of a waste of money.
     
  32. Outtawack311

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    It still had a ton of badass games.
     

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