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Priest or Maiden?

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Priest or Maiden?

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  2. Iron Maiden

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  1. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    Bro, this isn't rap. Who gives a Chinaman's *** about "street cred"?

    Priest may be a 68 Charger with a hemi...but Maiden, being more polished, is like a 2006 Mustang with a Roush blower and 600 horsepower. It might look sleeker, but it'll blow the doors off that Charger. :wink2:

    Yea...you're right, they should have stuck with D'Anno and remained an opening act instead of become the biggest metal band the world has ever seen, putting out albums for over 25 years and still selling out arenas and playing to crowds of over 300,000 people in Rio every year. :rolleyes:

    Had they stuck with D'Anno their songwriting would have stagnated and died eventually due to his limited ability. Bruce hits notes and melodies that D'Anno couldn't reach if he used a stepladder. Could you possibly imagine Paul trying to sing "Seventh Son" or "To Tame a Land" or "Number of the Beast"? What a joke that would have been!

    It's only the "Too Cool for the Room" crowd that thinks for even a millisecond that Maiden could have hit the level of musical quality with Paul that they've achieved with Bruce. Stunning evidence to that fact is D'Anno's abysmal solo career.

    If he was that ****ing good he'd have risen above being a club act now, wouldn't he? Bruce on the other hand became a HUGE solo act, and his solo albums are BRILLIANT. One listen to "Accident of Birth" will affirm that.

    As for my vote, while I love the Priest, their music has always been quite simplistic and as someone else put - "cheesy". For every amazing song like "The Sentinal" there's a "Parental Guidance" to counter it.

    Lyrically there's no comparison. Maiden writes rings around Priest. When you read Priest lyrics, for the most part they're one tier above Manowar lyrics.

    Maiden, on the other hand, has only a couple of cheeseball tunes, few and far between. They've established themselves as the hardest working, most respected band ever to hit the metal scene.

    Just watch the movie "Iron Maiden Flight 666" and you'll understand. What other band you know buys their own 757 and flies to play shows for fans in India and Costa Rica? There was no money to be made there, they did it for the fans.

    Their music has only gotten better, which one listen to "A Matter of Life and Death" shows. Intriguing time changes, heavier guitars, intelligent lyrics, and the balls to actually go out and tour playing the album in it's entirety. Maiden never stop evolving....and never stop getting better.

    "Nostradamus" on the other hand, was a failed attempt at "art". The songs are plodding, weighted down by their own attempts at "experimenting".

    Live there's even MORE of a chasm. All in their 50's now, Maiden still put on a show for the ages, with more energy and enthusiasm than bands half their age.

    Priest on their last tour were a wounded dinosaur. Halford barely moved, using his mic stand almost like a crutch. He used to be so dynamic onstage, now he's a shadow of his former self.

    It's no contest...not in the least. Maiden WASTES Priest.
     
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  2. adamprez2003

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    no doubt that bringing in dickinson helped make them more money. and the jonas brothers made more than maiden. money doesnt prove anything. the polished corporization of metal killed the genre. sorry but the first two albums blew away anything maiden produced with dickinson. maiden got softer, more polished and more melodic under dickinson. yes he's technically a better singer but who would you rather have beers with
     
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  3. TrueDolFan

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    Maiden has NEVER followed trends, NEVER sold out and gone "corporate" like Megadeth and Metallica.

    Softer? You obviously haven't heard "A Matter Of Life And Death". More polished and melodic? What's wrong with that? That's the band getting BETTER, tighter. They are masters of their craft.

    I'd WAY rather have a beer with Dickinson than Di'Anno. Dickinson could tell you all the stories that come with being the frontman for the biggest and best metal band in history. All Di'Anno could tell you are stories of what might have been.
     
  4. opfinistic

    opfinistic Braaaaains!

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    Note to Pagan!

    Please never mention 'Parental Guidance' again. Now it's in my head and it's making me want to jump off a bridge.
     
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  5. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    Who said anything about money? I'm talking about respect.

    The Jonas Brothers make a ton of money, but no one will have a clue who they were in 5 years.

    Maiden have been at the top of their game for more than 25. No way in hell are they "corporate metal". Not ONE radio hit, so that argument is pretty silly.

    And their last album is probably the heaviest one they ever recorded.

    And as a musician, I don't give a flying **** who I'd rather have beers with. I'd rather be with the best possible musicians. Sorry...that ain't Paul.

    Hell, I'd rather have beers with Roseanne Barr than Kate Beckinsale, cause Roseanne will make me laugh my *** off...but who do you think I'm taking home to bang?
     
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  6. opfinistic

    opfinistic Braaaaains!

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    Probably Roseanne if you had too many beers.
     
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  7. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    Bro...not with YOUR dick.
     
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  8. DevilFin13

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    I was watching the Flight 666 documentary on VH1 classic this weekend and I realized that I have never heard a Maiden song on the radio. I'm sure it's the same everywhere else in the world. Yet they still sell out everywhere they go and they were being mobbed at every airport and hotel they went to. It was like they were the Beatles. And their energy and execution live is amazing given their age. I'm not sure any band from any genre can match what they do given how old they are.
     
  9. opfinistic

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    'Little Opie' and I thank you.
     
  10. ScottishFin

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    Comare Maiden with Dickinson with Maiden and Blaze Bayley (or however you spell his name) and you get a valid comparison. 90% of people will never have heard Maiden live with Di' Anno , but most fans I know saw them with Blaze and to be honest he sucked as a frontman and was only when Bruce returned did they hit the big time again.

    For a band that gets little or no play time on any radio station in the UK it amazes me how difficult it is to get tickets for any of their gigs , looking forward to the rumoured UK tour at Christmas though :D :D
     
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  12. adamprez2003

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    run to the hills and number of the beast got radio time and that album was more polished but still heavy but not as heavy as Killers or Iron Maiden. You cant tell me this new stuff is heavier than Killers and Iron Maiden. Anyway I just prefer the heavier stuff. Motorhead over Motley Crue
     
  13. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    Bro...please. Neither of those songs got regular radio airplay when they first came out. They get some now on satellite, and that's it.

    And yes, the new Maiden is JUST as heavy or heavier than the first two albums. Fast does not equal heavy. Listen to "Brighter Than 1,000 Suns" and tell me the main riff isn't heavy.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvGilcbsYjM"]YouTube - Iron Maiden Brighter Than A Thousand Suns[/ame]

    I prefer the heavier stuff too, believe me, FAR heavier **** than Motorhead. Comparing Maiden to the Crue is ridiculous, and using Motorhead is a bad example. Not exactly the heaviest thing out there, but it did give me insight as to where you're coming from.

    You prefer the dirty, unpolished side of metal. That's all well and good, but you're not going to convince anyone that Maiden with D'Anno was better.
     
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    Maiden with Dianno sometimes was better, the feel was less polished and Dianno's voice was more suited to songs like Wraithchild, Murders in the Rue Morgue, were more suited to the screech of Dianno then Dickinson's pipes.

    I used to like Charlotte the Harlot as well...Dianno did not so much sing as he screeched like the punk bands used to back in the day.

    But there is no way Dianno could have been vocals on stuff like Hollowed be thy name or Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner, he just did not have the goods for that, :no:

    To me, Maiden dropped off with somewhere in time, sheesh...to much..synthesizer...ditto JP...
     
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    there's a whole bunch of us that think maiden was better with Di'anno, dont think im the only one. ACDC was better with Bon Scott/ Metallica was better on their first two or three albums. Its simply a matter of preference.

    Thats a nice tune btw but do you think its as heavy as Phantom of the Opera, Killers, Genghis Khan, Transylvania (i realize its instrumental but it just goes to show they had a heavier attitude with dianno imho), Wrathchild. Here's another thing to consider. Is there one bad song that maiden did under dianno? they had a perfect batting average under dianno. under dickinson it was hit or miss

    to me this song sums up my view of dickinson's maiden

    [​IMG]

    i'll say it agin, i like maiden with dickinson. i loved maiden with dianno
     
  16. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    padre has said it better in one post than i did in many. :up: i have nothing to add to this post
     
  17. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    Then you need to pick up "Fear of the Dark", "Brave New World" and the latest one. :wink2:

    Yes it is, but to call Bruce a poser when he could sing D'Anno under the table is insane.

    Bro, another ridiculous coment. D'Anno - 2 albums, Dickinson - 10 albums. That's like saying a hitter who pinch hits twice and gets two singles is better than a full time batter hitting .300.

    And even sillier, hit or miss? Show me the bad songs on "NOTB", "Piece of Mind" or "Powerlsave"? PLEASE bro...

    Since historically bands first two albums are weaned from YEARS of songwriting, and all the best songs from those years picked out to record, they stand a FAR better chance of being perfect. After that, the band is on a timetable and has to write while in the midst of touring. MUCH easier to have clunkers.

    Now you're just being goofy...and using a POOR example. First of all, that entire song was written by Adrian Smith, so Bruce had nothing to do with it. Second, choosing that song to represent Bruce's Maiden over songs like "Hallowed Be Thy Name", "Number of the Beast", "Flight of Icarus", "Ace's High" or any MULTITUDE of amazing songs he's sung just goes to show that you just have it out for Bruce.

    That would be like picking "I Was Made For Lovin' You" or "Beth" to represent KISS.

    And there's nothing wrong with that. However, most of the world disagrees with you...proof positive by Maiden still being the biggest metal band in the world.

    And since they were instructed to jettison D'Anno by the label or stay as a club act, it would seem that pretty much everyone knew that D'Anno was - as he still is now - just a club singer who got lucky.

    Don't get me wrong, I love the D'Anno Maiden also. But the point is that D'Anno had NOTHING to do with the songwriting. It was all Steve. So it was Steve who changed the direction of the band, a direction that gave them more depth, more maturity, and led them to the position they're in now.

    A position that - no matter what your personal feelings are - they NEVER would have achieved with D'Anno.
     
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    watch these two vids of the same song and tell me dickinson isnt the poser lol


    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7UoXt9W5mw&feature=PlayList&p=DF6E2602B13AFE1E&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1"]YouTube - Phantom of The Opera - Iron Maiden, 1980, Live at The Rainbo[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmFobREx7CE&feature=related"]YouTube - Iron Maiden - Phantom Of The Opera (Live)[/ame]

    and at least dianno has the decency to shut the hell up when the guitars are doing their thing
     
  20. padre31

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    Wow Adamp...D'anno was good for what he was, but the guy really couldn't carry a tune, he was what he was, no better a front man then Gaby Hauke.

    Put it this way, with D'anno, Maiden would have been lucky to open for Ozzy, let alone headline an event...

    Reality is a cruel cruel mistress.
     
  21. adamprez2003

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    hey i like tom waits and lemmy :lol: still if metallica could make it with hetfield just proves that singers are overrated. guitarists rule the metal world!:shifty: (halford being the exception)
     
  22. padre31

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    Nothing wrong with Lemmy, Motorhead is Motorhead, they will not make any moves with their sound or style though..

    And Metallica turned in their metal card when Pagan posted those pics of the band with wives carrying Saks 5th avenue bags.

    There are just some lines a metal band cannot cross AdamP.:no:
     
  23. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    :lol: i blame lars

    or was it when metallica went country lol (mama said)
     
  24. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    Hetfield FIT Metallica's music. When Maiden changed their style to be more melodic and progressive, their needs changed vocally.

    I mean really, could you picture Hetfield singing in Kamelot? Dream Theater? It just wouldn't fly.

    As for AC/DC, it had nothing to do with Bon's vocals. Bon was a TERRIBLE singer, but his personality and delivery was what made him the perfect fit. Same thing with DLR. The guy couldn't carry a tune if it had handles, but his personality overrode that.

    And my friend...you truly need to look up exactly what a "poser" is.

    I'm sorry bro...but Bruce walks the walk. He can outsing, outwrite, and outperform D'Anno.

    Bottom line is this...I've seen Maiden live with Bruce, and I've seen them with Paul. There was no comparison. Have you seen both singers live with Maiden? If you had you wouldn't even be trying this argument.

    With Bruce, Maiden is a well-tuned, firing on all cylinders machine...delivering the goods every night. With Paul, they were an overachieving bar band.

    It's as simple as that. :D
     
  25. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    Oh yea...and Lemmy is GOD. [​IMG]
     
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    opfinistic Braaaaains!

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    :jt0323: I love this age old argument. In 2000 years philosophers will still be debating the merits of both singers.
     
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  27. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    In 2,000 years, no one will know D'Anno existed. :tongue2:
     
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    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    sure they will. In 2000 years the only two albums they'll remember from Maiden are Iron Maiden, Killers and Number of the Beast. :tongue2:
     
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  29. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    Yup...that's why this year's tour is based on the "Powerslave" era. :wink2:
     
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  30. unifiedtheory

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    I wasn't trying to be an *** (I think you are being sarcastic). I justy HATE it when people come into a thread like this and say "neither" or take the chance to piss off as many people as possible by blasting the subject matter. It's like me going into the NBA thread to talk trash. I HATE the NBA with every fiber of my being but I would never go into the NBA thread to say anything because I have no interest in the subject matter.

    On topic: For me it's Maiden by a VERY wide margin.

    I like Priest quite a bit but for me they have not really done anything worst a damn since Defenders of the Faith (my favorite Priest album). Before anyone jumps on me, YES I have listened to basically everything they have done since and none of it did it for me at all. They could not come close to what they had achieved. Sad Wings, British Steel, Vengeance, Defenders, those were classic records.

    I think the issue I started to have with them was the structure of the music. They are too guitar driven for me. When I was younger it was great but as I started to know music a little I started to like my music rhythm section driven. I don't think I've heard Ian Hill for 20 years, why even have a bass player?

    Maiden is still relevant. Look at what they have done since Killers (I'm a Dickenson guy, always have been). Number of the Beast, Piece of Mind, Powerslave (POWER ****ING SLAVE!), Somewhere in Time (to a lesser extent) and Seventh Son are stellar records. Like Pagan said, find a weakness in Piece of Mind or Powerslave. You put them on and listen from end to end, Number of the Beast is the same for me.

    Sure there were some lean years but they came out the other end with 2 AWESOME records (Dance of Death kind of sucked IMO). Honestly, the first time I put on Brave New World the first thing that crossed my mind was "this sounds like the record that should have followed Powerslave". I was stunned when I heard "A Matter of Life and Death". It was SO Maiden yet so modern. It was raw yet refined with subject matter and a style that was perfect. It was their best record since Powerslave. How many bands can say that they released a record over 20 years after their best record and it lives up to those lofty standards?
     
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    i saw maiden on the killers tour opening for priest and ive seen bruce bruce probably five times. no way you can see both and say bruce bruce was better. dianno blew him away. by the way, how can you possibly say someone who called himself "bruce bruce" (in his samson days) isnt a poser:sidelol:
     
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    2nd from left mid row) yeah thats metal hahahahahahahhaha
     
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    opfinistic Braaaaains!

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    Bruce and Woody Allen went to the same school?
     
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    :lol: yeah. little known fact woody is a huge Slayer fan!
     
  35. Fin Fan In Cali

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    The bottom line from a teenager in the 80's, both bands have represented Metal like no other. Both are very good.:up:
     
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  36. anlgp

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    That's a cop out if I ever heard one :lol: :D
     
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  37. Fin Fan In Cali

    Fin Fan In Cali Dolphin fan since 1970 Luxury Box

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    Bro if you observe me I am all about music. Some days I get in trouble for taking my IPod player in the bathroom and jamming while I take a shower from the misses.:lol: read my earlier post and I said the same thing then.
     
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=354MU3l-25M"]YouTube - Iron Maiden The Trooper 2001[/ame]
     
  39. PrepDogg

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    I absolutely love both but I gotta take Maiden. Their music is more complex and although that by itself doesn't make it better it appeals alot more to me. They both rock hard though!
     

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