Best Qb in the AFC east

Thanks.

And yes, I know, there are a lot of a$$holes at JN, but that is my home right there. It's great if you're a Jets fan. If you are an opposing fan, it can be very abusive, as I'm sure you know from first hand experience. I'm actually surprised you keep coming back. It's just annoying when you always talk about Chad. Other than that, you're all good in my book.
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Two words for you guys poo pooing Bradys injury Carson Palmer.

 

Doesn't matter who has the better QB, what matters is who will win the division

 

...The Patriots.

 

dude mark i didnt know you were in fort myers......thats where i was born

 

We are not ultra-homers. We've been Jets fans too long. First of all, he Pats are head and shoulders better than every other team in this division. Second of all, 124 and I are Jets fans, so our expectations aren't so high -- naturally. From what I've seen here, many of you are setting yourself up for heartbreak.
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you must not have been watching the nfl long.....because one season someone can go 1-15.....the next 11-5.....and im using this as an example but it has happened before, look at the nfc south.....there are no guarentees.....so for any jet fan or a fan of any team in june doesnt give its own team a shot.....then imho its pretty pathetic

 

there's a difference between not being homers and completely abandoning all hope.

there are others here who i think are closet pats fans as well they're on brady and the pats so much..

 

I think it's funny how you mentioned this,Jets fan. How long did "you" and your fans talk about Penny when he really did nothing for your franchise,and was a member of your team?
Well,you let him go and he's doing well in his new environment.Why can't a fan talk about his QB when he is doing well? LMAO

Glad to have you aboard.....

 

It was evident for the first couple of starts that it wasn't the same. once cassel got comfortable playing though, there was little difference between the two. the second pats game against us might as well have been brady throwing the ball with how much we were getting carved up with the pass. I'm pretty sure cassel had at least 2 500 yard passing games(some one please correct me if i'm wrong). They may not be splitting images of each other, but once cassel got comfortable, they were both equally as successful as the patriots qb.

 

If you didn't vote for Brady, I hope you were joking.

 

It said that forever...shows how much attention you pay me to me...

But srsly, where were you born?

 

I wouldn't say that. It's more like making a sacrifice now so things could be better in the future. You know what I mean?

 

Nonsense, it's called being objective. Being objective shouldn't be looked upon as that person being less of a fan or a closet fan of another team. There is nothing wrong with pointing out flaws on the Phins or tipping your hat to the Patriots.

I happen to agree with the Jets fan on this one, this is the time of year when optimism runs wild and I think alot of folks are setting themselves up for a letdown.

 

I know. It's just the Patriots are the best team in the NFL. I am hoping/expecting a wildcard berth. I really don't think there is anything wrong with that when you are in the same division as Tom Brady and New England.

Don't get me wrong...I hate the Pats more than any other NFL team...by far. I might even hate them more than the RED SOX!! I hardly think I am abandoning hope. I am VERY hopeful this season. I think we can legitimately be a 9-10 win team and contend, and I think our future is brighter than ever.

I wasn't directing this comment at all Phins fans. Aqua is a member at JetNation and he CONSTANTLY talks about Chad Pennington. Really, would you wanna hear that **** if you're a Jets fan on a message board for your own team?

I say you're chances at winning the division are between 10-15% MAX. Unless, Brady really isn't his old self. (You're kidding yourself if you don't think Brady will be back)

Maybe. I still think he won't have nearly the amount of success this year. It's an odd # year. Take it from a true Jets fan.

 

You are a very good poster from what I've seen. Keep it up.

 

Or maybe it had something to do with our poor pass D?

Cassel had a very good year and I don't want to take anything away from him, but his performance was due in part to his great supporting cast. Brady on the other hand makes his teammates better, which is something that Cassel can't do because he just doesn't have the talent or leadership to do so.

 

Yeah...I think Cassel is about to get a rude awakening.
He may be a good QB, but shoot, when you can lob it up to Moss when you feeling the heat, or dump it to Welker or Faulk, your life is a bit easier than most QBs.

 

The people who put Pennington must think Brady's knee is shot forever. I can't think of any other rationale.

 

What is with Jets fans in love with Tom Brady?

Manning is clearly better. Montana won a lot of Super Bowls. More than Elway [who lost several] and Marino. He wasn't better than either of those guys.

 

Lots of kool-aid and the new and improved Oakleys homer shades.

 

Playoffs are more important than the regular season. That is the consensus, no? Brady & Montana will be regarded as two of the best of all time, and higher than Elway & Marino, because they played their absolute best when the most was on the line. That is what greatness is. Elway, Marino, and Manning are a notch below Brady and Montana in my book.

No need for the "Jets fans in love with Tom Brady" comment. I hate the guy. I think he is truly one of the greatest QB's of all time.

 

Marino didn't play POORLY in the playoffs. Football is a team game, one player alone does not win any game regardless of what position that is.

As for the poll, no doubt if he is healthy Brady is the best. However we don't know how he will respond in a game situation. It isnt just whether he can move the same, it's whether he is still unafraid to step into the pass rush. Does he try to shield the knee? What if he takes another hit to it?

He has to prove he is the same post injury, for that reason I didnt vote. But if healthy here is my list

1) Brady
2) Pennington
3) Edwards
4) Sanchez

 

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Montana played on one of the most complete teams the game will ever see. They had hall of famers all over that team. Elway didn't pull off a win until he got a 2000 yard back. The Pats units that won were also well balanced teams. They definitely had very strong defenses. Something Marino and Elway seemed to lack early on. Elway used to get killed in the big games. Those same 49ers dropped 52 points on the Broncos in the Super Bowl. Elway and Marino generally performed well in the playoffs, I'm sure the stats will back that up.

As for the Brady love I only said that because 124 has went on and on about how nobody in the East or the league has a chance with Brady back. And then you with the best in the game comment. Sorry, no offense, I call it like I see it. It's not an insult, you two just seem to admire him a lot more than most around here. I give him props, he's certainly up there, no doubt. But he's not better then Peyton.

 

Yes he was better than both of those guys (Montana) and Brady is better than Manning. Elway and Marino might have been better long distance passers, but when it comes down to the better player and Quarterback, its Montana. If you cannot get it done you are not as good as the guys who can get it done. Just because you are given more MVP awards doesn't mean you are the better Quarterback. Having Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Edgerrian James, Brandon Stokely, Joseph Addai and Ben Utect over your career is a lot easier than David Patten, Deion Branch, Antowain Smith and Jabar Gaffney for the majority of your career, as well.

 

I'm not doubting that. Brady & Montana were just always better in the postseason than them, and yes they did have the players, but they did perform better.

 

You use the same argument that Montana had all the talent around him, but what about Peyton? He had much better talent than Brady.

Brady is far superior.

 

I'm sure those 49ers and Pats teams will be happy to know that Joe Montana and Tom Brady, not them, won those Super Bowls.

 

Thats a pretty contradicting statement.
Maybe they preformed better because they had the players?

 

Manning's defenses have generally been a joke. Tell me I'm wrong. They have been built to hold leads, not win games.

Defense is what matters most and Peyton has absolutely not had more of that than Brady. Notice the Pats haven't won since their D started declining. Note that when Brady had one of the best seasons of any quarterback ever they did not win the Super Bowl.

 

How is he not? Tell me how.

 

So then what is the point of debating who is the better Quarterback if we're not going to single out players?

You're going to tell me those Patriot offenses were anything close to the talent level of Indianapolis?

 

Take a look at who New England won with on offense and who Indianapolis continued to lose with.

Then check back with us on defending Manning.

 

look, i wasnt talking smack, i was merely pointing out that the Jets havent had very many successful drafts, especially since the departure of Parcells. Im not sure about Rex Ryan yet. But history tells us that the Jets have a poor history of drafting and evaluating players, until that changes they wont be as successful as the damn Patriots or our beloved Dolphins(who have finally learned how to use the draft correctly).

 

Actually in the last 4 years or so the Jets have drafted very well, but mostly in the early rounds. We have had a couple of outstanding 4th round selections recently though as well.