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Breaking news: Michael Jackson Dead at 50

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  1. HolliFinFan

    HolliFinFan Not a Face Painter Luxury Box

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    I am not upset and I have not reacted or commented on his depravity or merit. This is a news event and worthy of discussion.
     
  2. my 2 cents

    my 2 cents Well-Known Member

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    Do you think that you will include the kids he chose to molest in that prayer?
     
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  3. HolliFinFan

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    Understood. The first time ;)
     
  4. slickj101

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    Ok.
     
  5. Ronnie Bass

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    Sorry man, when it comes to children getting molested there is nothing bad enough that can be said about a pedophile that can ever be considered pathetic.

    I have NO sympathy for this people and sooner they are off the face of this earth the better.
     
  6. BuckeyeKing

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    Great performer just a child molester. I just can't forget that.
     
  7. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    For real. Can you really think of many worse things that a person could do?

    I don't care how big of an icon he was or what he did in music. If he did those things, then people are out of their minds to be so upset about him dying.
     
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  8. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    well theres a possibility he slept with kids but not sexually. its not out of the realm of possibility he just wanted to stay a kid forever. he was messed up in the head for sure either way.

    and it was never proven. believe what you want but both cases did seem like the families just wanted his money.
     
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  9. my 2 cents

    my 2 cents Well-Known Member

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    Does it rain Snickers bars there in Fantasyland?
     
  10. Dolphin1184

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    RIP King of Pop.

    I am still stunned. 50 is way to young to die these days.
     
  11. HolliFinFan

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    I am working to confirm another celebrity death that is actively coming over Twitter...if I can, I will start a new thread.
     
  12. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    lol im not michael jackson apologist or even a fan. ive always thought he was messed up. but there has yet to be any proof he did those things to kids. i hope its not true in any case. thats a horrible thing to accuse someone of.
     
  13. Ronnie Bass

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    Whoa....BIG name or just big? We already have had two BIG ones die today.
     
  14. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    youre kidding me, right?
     
  15. Celtkin

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    The guy was strange but there was no solid evidence to convict him of inappropriate acts with children and he was acquitted by a jury -- and I don't mean "OJ"-acquitted. From the evidence I heard, the case was weak and the charges probably motivated by money.

    Let's try to keep the facts straight and give him the benefit of the doubt.
     
  16. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    The guy was wacked,end of story.He had everything+(the whole world) in his hands.He blew it big time.That is my opinion,pure and simple.
    That being said,the man passed away and I am very sorry to hear this news.He had millions of fans around the globe,and also left behind family and friends.For this I will say God Bless.I will say my prayers for him and his loved ones.
     
  17. HolliFinFan

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    No, I would not do that. It's all chatter at this point. I have found some links, but they're not working.
     
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  18. Ronnie Bass

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    It is and I know from experience, my brother-in-law got accused of this falsely, but with Jackson there is just TOO much smoke for there not to be fire.

    So when I call him a pedophile I do it with full knowledge of what that stigima brings.
     
  19. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    heh i wouldnt accuse you of that. im just saying, its been a heck of a day...no...week...any more bad news and im convinced the apocalypse is near.
     
  20. slickj101

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    Idk. I remember hearing that he gave those kids wine. That whole "Jesus juice" thing.

    If that's true then you would have to believe the guy had some more motives there.


    Plus there's the fact that he never admitted to any surgery. I think that pretty much throws his word for anything else right out the window. If you're going to lie and continue to deny something as blatantly obvious as that, what else do you think you can get away with?
     
  21. Ronnie Bass

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    Your right, no matter what I think of the man this discussion should be a respectful one towards his fans.

    We can always save if he did or didn't for a rainy day.
     
  22. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    i think the 92 LA Riots led to OJ's aquittal. I think people in power didnt want to see yet another one.
     
  23. Celtkin

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    That's reaching brother :lol:
     
  24. FinSane

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    not really when you consider how times were back then. race relations werent all that rosy back then. he had the full support of the black community until after the trial
     
  25. HolliFinFan

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    Okay, rumors are FALSE on Twitter. Actor Jeff Goldblum did NOT die in New Zealand. If you read this, according to BNO, the rumor is FALSE.
     
  26. TJamesW_Phinfan

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    No body but the kids know the truth about the molesting. Thats too much money along with the way today's media sensationalizes everything to know for sure. It is possible he was innocent. It is also possible he was guilty but none of us here can know for sure unless they find a suicide note in his belongings saying he did it. As said how could any parent take money after something like that happened? Maybe to give to the child that suffered? On the other hand Michael would be a very easy target for greedy people. It would not be hard to convince a child to lie for that kind of money. If it worked for one kid what would keep others from trying?

    If what I've read of his childhood is true he basically never had one. I think, maybe, he never grew up. Never matured mentally which may have made him more comfortable around kids than adults. As said earlier he quite possibly was one of the loneliest people on earth. What ever the truth, if what they say about his childhood is true, some of the blame for his behavior can be placed on his father.
     
  27. my 2 cents

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    I agree to a certain extent, but it irritates me that there is a post and a thanked post at that, regarding saying a prayer for this guy as a person and does not mention at all any prayer, prayer requests, acknowledgment or blown nose about the kids that were molested and have to actually live their life with that experience (and no prayers from FinHeaven)...oh yeah forgot....that "may" or may not" have been molested.....oh look ........a snickers bar from the sky...........
     
  28. dolphan117

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    I find that very hard to buy, very. I saw a piece someone did on the first trial about how he hired a hired a PI who specializes in making cases go away, who then stole evidence from a parked car that severely hurt the case. Wish I could remember all the details.

    Just watching an interview with the guy it was pretty clear he was nuts and having been very close to several cases where young children were abused I have gotten a little bit of a feel for the types of people who do stuff like that and Jackson is pretty much a poster child for that profile. Given the repeated cases I find it very, very hard to believe it was just a case of him being a celebrity and people being after his money.

    That being said I feel bad for the guy, not so much because he's dead but because for whatever reason the life that he did have was way off the deep end. Apparently his childhood was a mess, and I do mean a mess, and that can severely screw a person up. No one knows how bad it was other then him, and for that he has my sympathy...... But its hard for me to look past the thing with kids. There are a lot of people who have had horrible things happen to them and didn't being highly suspected of inappropriate things with children.

    At the end of the day though it doesn't really matter what I think, I wont be picking out where he spends eternity and the guy who does that has a better view of it then any of us.
     
  29. FinSane

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    because uhhh....nothing was ever proven? you cant say you feel sorry about something that might not have happened.
     
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    Well, two things come to mind my.02, one he was a human being, and two, I like the Biblical custom of waiting one day before saying anything about the recently deceased.
     
  31. my 2 cents

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    Your right he was a normal, conservative, socially adept, well adjusted, young man, with a normal upbringing and support system...you win....those constant accusations of perversion and pedophilia, the infatuation with children, strange behavior, drug accusations, hanging a child from a balcony were all a dream or a misrepresentation of the man.

    All those issues all somehow are not true or misrepresented.......all those kids lied...all of them......He is not worth the "argument"...continue the worship of this high character young man lost to the world.
     
  32. Celtkin

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    Ok, fair enough. Let's throw out the jury system and just assume that accusers are always right. It's easier that way but, boy is it is a dangerous path to walk down. :wink2:
     
  33. my 2 cents

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    Fair enough, but I did not want the kids forgotten...his own or his victims, excuse me..."alleged" victims.
     
  34. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    i dont disagree he was definately mentally ill in some way or another. but youre about as right about him molesting kids and i am about his innocence. I guess we'll never know.
     
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    We are not in a court of law and the requirements of an opinion are different here. I also do not think we should be required to check our common sense opinions at the door in order to be participate here....but I could be wrong:)
     
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  36. SICK

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    why do i not hear you blamming the parents that "supposedly" took money to not convict someone of molesting their child.....IF he did do it.....those parents are just as guilty as MJ
     
  37. my 2 cents

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    Your right of course, but as I said in another post everyone has a right to their opinion but I sort of think their is enough evidence here for me to form my opinion, and we do not need proof beyond any doubt in order to form our opinions.
     
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  38. Celtkin

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    First alleged "victim" got a nice settlement. It is understandable why Jackson might have paid to have an allegation to go away just to save the misery of going to court. For the second alleged "victim", Jackson probably decided to not let precedent of the first case dictate the rest of his life. He went to court and won.

    Folks, say what you will and make assumptions that are not based in facts, and feel at peace where it leaves you but remember, but for the grace of God, you or someone you care about might share the same fate in the future.

    Peace :)
     
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  39. my 2 cents

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    Because I was not asked my opinion on that matter.
     
  40. Celtkin

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    It seems that many have but you are all family and I love ya all. :hi5:
     
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