1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Can Dolphins win big with Chad Pennington?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ATVZ400, Jul 6, 2009.

  1. ATVZ400

    ATVZ400 Senior Member

    5,254
    5,111
    0
    Mar 22, 2008
    parts unknown, NJ
    Can Dolphins win big with Chad Pennington?
    http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sport...an-dolphins-win-big-with-chad-pennington.html



     
    PhinsRock likes this.
  2. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

    99,377
    37,301
    0
    Nov 22, 2007
    inching to 100k posts
    Absolutely, history shows if Pennington plays a full season, his team wins and goes to the playoffs, and we have some great weapons this season.

    As for "win big" PhinFans should recall their situation just two seasons ago, "win big" is an appearance in the AFC Championship Game..
     
  3. azfinfanmang

    azfinfanmang Premium Member Luxury Box

    29,745
    11,512
    0
    Nov 23, 2007
    If he stays healthy, QB is far from being a concern
     
  4. NolePhin

    NolePhin Look out for D-Bess

    1,007
    651
    0
    Apr 27, 2009
    Davie, FL
    Of course, you don't need to have a monster arm to win games in the NFL. You need to be smart and accurate, 2 attributes that Pennington clearly has.
     
  5. dolphindebby

    dolphindebby Season Ticket Holder Luxury Box

    14,752
    4,873
    0
    Nov 26, 2007
    GA
    Why not?
    If he can stay healthy, I don't think there's anything we can't do.
    We have a good bunch of guys now.
     
    baboo72 likes this.
  6. azfinfanmang

    azfinfanmang Premium Member Luxury Box

    29,745
    11,512
    0
    Nov 23, 2007
    Yeah, not so sure about all that. I think there are still question marks at several positions (MLB, OG, DT, have to how the two Rook CB's pan out) but I love your enthusiasm

    Hope you're having a good evening there Miss Deb :hi5:
     
    dolphindebby likes this.
  7. dolfan7171

    dolfan7171 Well-Known Member

    18,065
    3,629
    113
    Jun 12, 2009
    Arizona
    Oh yeah there is no doubt in mind that the Dolphins could win big with Pennington. In fact, I have Miami going 12-4 this year and winning the Super Bowl.
     
    baboo72 likes this.
  8. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

    20,810
    8,965
    0
    Jan 7, 2008
    Hollywood, Florida
    If Trent Dilfer can win a superbowl so can Chad. Period.
     
    baboo72 and Anonymous like this.
  9. dolphindebby

    dolphindebby Season Ticket Holder Luxury Box

    14,752
    4,873
    0
    Nov 26, 2007
    GA
    Me have enthusiasm for the Miami Dolphins?? Now who would have ever guessed that about me? :wink2:

    I'm doing great Kenny. How are you and your family doing?
     
  10. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,652
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    After seeing what i saw in last years superbowl, incredible plays from the qb position, i do have some reservations, however i think the scheme, the misdirection, the motion, the unrhythmic patterns of situational offense, helps him tremendously in winning the game. He uses the wildcat and what it does to a defense to his advantage.
     
    baboo72 likes this.
  11. DevilFin13

    DevilFin13 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    9,713
    6,282
    113
    Mar 22, 2008
    I think it depends just as much on how well we can run the ball and play defense as it does how well Pennington plays. If we do those two things well I definitely think we can win big with him.
     
  12. Rhody Phins Fan

    Rhody Phins Fan Well-Known Member

    4,348
    1,436
    113
    Jan 14, 2009
    Dilfer did happen to benefit from a defense that arguably was the greatest of all time.
     
  13. 124

    124 Banned

    5,014
    2,160
    0
    May 12, 2008
    Oh boy here we go again...
     
  14. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

    4,052
    2,347
    113
    Dec 9, 2007
    You also need to be healthy and that something else he never has been able to do! I hope it works out!
     
  15. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    13,969
    3,367
    113
    Jul 5, 2009
    You stole my example. Damn you, lol.
    But like Rhody Phins Fan stated, Dilfer happened to have one of the greatest defenses of all time play with him. So, this proves that one player CANNOT win something by himself, and that it is a team effort.
     
    Alex44 likes this.
  16. Lab3003

    Lab3003 Golden era

    3,381
    1,106
    0
    Nov 23, 2007
    Bal Harbour, FL
    If Pennington was believed to be capable of winning the SB, the Jets wouldn't have signed Brett Favre. Call me a skeptic.
     
    adamprez2003 likes this.
  17. cnc66

    cnc66 wiley veteran, bad spelur Luxury Box

    31,582
    17,137
    0
    Nov 23, 2007
    I think using the jets as a barometer on how good anything is is a slippery slope.. :hi5:
     
  18. baboo72

    baboo72 Bleeding aqua & orange

    3,242
    782
    0
    Mar 23, 2008
    Watford, England
    When have the jets ever known what they're doing?! I think as long as we can protect him we'll be fine
     
  19. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    The thing is, not whether Penny can carry us to the championship, but whether the talent on the rest of the team has caught up yet ??? On paper, we're a better team right now than last season...barring unforeseen things like injuries, we should be as good or better...on paper...the game isn't played on paper though...we still have to see if Davis and Smith can project to this level. We still have to see if the OL will finally gel and Thomas comes back to where we thought he'd be last season and will Groves be an upgrade to Satele and etc, etc....these questions are still out there. IF some of these things happen, and Penny stays healthy we can duplicate last years' successes...but will all those things happen ?? Don't know yet... That all said, Penny's tenure here is predicated on two things...can he stay reasonably healthy enough at his age to move this team forward and second, is Henne the real thing. If Henne shows the staff that his time sitting behind Penny is over, they may let him ride off into the sunset somewhere else, but the answer to that question is more about Henne than Penny, imho...
     
  20. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

    99,377
    37,301
    0
    Nov 22, 2007
    inching to 100k posts
    Do the names Richard Todd or Ken O'Brien ring any bells?

    IMO, we are not a SB Caliber team as of yet, we can make the AFC Championship Game this season, also IMO, the Phins can accomplish that with two playoff wins.

    But my goodness, from 1-15 to "can the Dolphins win big with", that is crazy and it shows how quickly the Dark Years can be forgotten.
     
  21. PhinsRock

    PhinsRock Premium Member Luxury Box

    Of course we could, if we have the right team built around him. Not a doubt in my mind about Penny, my only doubts are ILB, CB, ST and is our WR position fully ready to break out? I think they are.
     
  22. DaFish

    DaFish Well-Known Member

    2,055
    732
    113
    Dec 18, 2007
    Myrtle Beach, SC
    I call that a very steep mountain.
     
  23. PHINANALYST

    PHINANALYST Well-Known Member

    1,834
    513
    113
    Jan 3, 2008
    North Carolina
    'could' we win big with CP ... sure -- did not the G-MEN and Parcells win with Simms.

    not directly comparing the 2 ... but there are some parallels ... what it will take is a dominant OL and a tough top 3 defense that can shut opponents down (not just statistically speaking - as it is what we have been accustomed to doing for the last decade +). We are making headway on both of those accounts ... will we be there by the end of this year -- time will tell. Right now - today, i think we need 1 more year of experience and maybe 1 or 2 players ... but we are close ... very, very close!
     
  24. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

    44,356
    22,480
    113
    Mar 22, 2008
    If Eli Manning can win a Super Bowl, so can Pennington.
     
  25. NolePhin

    NolePhin Look out for D-Bess

    1,007
    651
    0
    Apr 27, 2009
    Davie, FL
    Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the question is whether or not if Chad Pennington is capable of winning the big game. Not, what do we need around Chad Pennington to win the big game.

    Does he have what it takes mentally and physically to win big in the NFL? I think so.
     
    adamprez2003 likes this.
  26. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    39,159
    21,798
    113
    Nov 29, 2007
    San Diego
    I want nothing less than a SB each and every year. I can't help it. That's the type of fan I am.
     
    MonstBlitz and Stringer Bell like this.
  27. 124

    124 Banned

    5,014
    2,160
    0
    May 12, 2008
    Like I said in the Club Level, Chad Pennington does not have a receiver like Plaxico Burress, nor does he have the Running Game the Giants had that season down the stretch, nor does he have the Offensive Line the Giants had, nor does he have the best Pass Rush in the NFL.

    Not to mention the miracle of escaping from 4,5 men on top of you, throwing the ball in the middle of the field to the 6th string WR who catches the ball on his helmet.

    You need those other things before making such a statement.
     
    Disnardo likes this.
  28. Disnardo

    Disnardo Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    10,641
    2,121
    113
    Dec 8, 2007
    Hialeah, FL
    A logical Jets fan who would have thought...

    J/K 124...:lol:

    but your right,....:up: it is not what is in the frame of mind for a QB to perform effeciently, I think Chad can and he has shown that in his career in the Post Season...

    He has not been consistant, and that is for sure, but what can lead a calm attitude for a QB, is the performance of the supporting cast of those arround him...:up:
     
    124 likes this.
  29. felly smarts

    felly smarts New Member

    1,351
    257
    0
    Jun 24, 2008
    If Trent Dilfer can get a ring....Chad certainly can.
     
  30. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

    20,810
    8,965
    0
    Jan 7, 2008
    Hollywood, Florida
    124 I think we both know you know what he meant :lol:

    Its the same as the Trent Dilfer thing. He's just saying no QB wins the big game alone, they all need some help from their team.
     
  31. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

    8,605
    6,743
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    Slightly left of center
    covered in flying rat poop :knucks:
     
  32. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

    8,605
    6,743
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    Slightly left of center
    If the rest of the team does their job and gets us to the Super Bowl I have no doubt that #10 can win it. But it takes 22+ guys to do that, not 1.
     
    Anonymous likes this.
  33. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

    37,392
    14,745
    113
    Nov 27, 2007
    new york ciity
    i really dont think penny can win it. i dont think you can win with a SMALL, weak armed QB. I think its irrelevant though. though i think we improved but we are still at least one offseason away from having legitimate SB dreams. I think we have a shot at the afc championship though if our defense goes berserk and turner turns out to be good so i guess if we got lucky maybe we would have a shot. To me our hopes lie in henne not penny and i really hope henne unseats penny this year instead of taking over next year. i would like him to have some experience for the monster team we'll have next year
     
    like2god likes this.
  34. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

    13,501
    6,246
    113
    Oct 13, 2008
    New York
    Well, he helped lead us from a last place 1-16 team to AFC East Division Champs in one year, so I would say....yes.;)
     
    dolphindebby likes this.
  35. Kreissage

    Kreissage New Member

    11
    7
    0
    Jul 7, 2009
    Negative. Very good regular season QB, but not good enough to beat the elite defensive teams in the post-season. This has been proven throughout his career (2002 Raiders, 2004 Pittsburgh, 2006 New England, 2008 Baltimore).
     
  36. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    13,969
    3,367
    113
    Jul 5, 2009
    With a good run game, he can beat the elite defensives.
     
  37. StLouisFinFan

    StLouisFinFan New Member

    775
    603
    0
    Apr 28, 2008
    Exactly. You've just delineated why Eli Manning shouldn't get credit for winning anything. It was the New York Giants defensive front 7 that won that game; that and a miracle catch that usually gets picked. Eli didn't WIN a SB, he was part of a team that won the SB. Just like CP, if it ever happens, will be part of a team that won the SB. He'll most likely never be THE reason they won the SB (although anything's possible). So yes, he CAN win the big one, but not by himself. That QB class is a very very short list. Hell, even Elway "couldn't win the big one" until he was given the game's most dominant running attack. So how did he go from "can't" to "can" despite all of his talents decreasing with his age? Right place - right time.
     
    djphinfan, Disnardo and dolphindebby like this.
  38. StLouisFinFan

    StLouisFinFan New Member

    775
    603
    0
    Apr 28, 2008
    You could put John Elway/Dan Marino/Peyton Manning into the place of CPs name right there and you will have repeated a phrase that had been uttered far too many times over the years.
     
    djphinfan and Disnardo like this.
  39. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

    27,364
    31,261
    113
    Apr 6, 2008
    That's why Montana never won anything. Oh wait, never mind...
     
    Disnardo likes this.
  40. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

    27,364
    31,261
    113
    Apr 6, 2008
    I'm actually surprised this is a question. No QB can win it by himself, Marino proved that. What the QB must be able to do is make make enough plays to win. This is offset by the mistakes he or his team makes. So a QB who throws a ton of TDs or converts 3rd downs can afford more mistakes. There is no single stat that encompasses this, but a stat like TD/int ratio is telling. Generally a QB with a 2/1 ratio is producing enough (versus his mistakes). Last year CP easily accomplished that (19/7). He is clearly better than many QBs that have won SBs so obviously he is good enough given a good enough supporting cast. The better question is; is the team good enough to win big?

    The Giants provided a very recent blueprint for the kind of team we're trying to build. Here's a summary from earlier in the thread:

    Originally Posted by 124
    Like I said in the Club Level, Chad Pennington does not have a receiver like Plaxico Burress, nor does he have the Running Game the Giants had that season down the stretch, nor does he have the Offensive Line the Giants had, nor does he have the best Pass Rush in the NFL.


    This team has made improvements in those three areas. By the end of the year we may very well have the best pass rush in the league, a running game on par with what the Giants had, and a group of WRs as good or better than what the Giants had. If those goals are reached I have no doubt that CP is a good enough QB for the team to win big.
     
    Disnardo likes this.

Share This Page