Jets Sanchez-the next Namath?

I hate the figging JEST with a passion, but I have to say that 124 seems pretty cool though. He is the 1st NY fan that I've ever said that about.

 

He doesn't really count, because hes a patriots fan

 

[whistles] some ownage going on in here.. reppin' brother Mark !

 

If Mark Sanchez doesn't deliver, it won't be the end of the world. The Jets and their fans didn't really give up much, unless you own an Abram Elam jersey, then you'd be pissed. Is his ceiling any higher or lower than Chad Pennington? I don't think so.

 

We used to have some fun back in the day on another board that had a smack forum. (Remember Opie? Sigh...)

 

Really?

I completely disagree.

They also passed on Tons of other talent that was still there at pick 17, and their second round pick
The latter, in essence forced them to also trade away the rest of the draft for Shonn Greene (A kid that I think is really gonna be good BTW)

So, when the Dirty one fails (Cmon folks, he wasn't that great last year with the freakin USC arsenal at his beckoning) they will have traded away the entire 09 draft (Aside from Greene) and STILL not have a QB

I LOVE it

 

I don't give a flip who plays or doesn't play for the jests or any other team. I just want us to win.


By the way--------Who's this joe namath you speak of?

 

He was that drunk on MNF trying to kiss Suzy

 

Oh. Didn't know about this. Do tell!

Who's suzy?

 

I know.
I was part of the BBTD wagon...;(

 

Here you go
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQqIQyT-RuM"]YouTube - Joe Namath Drunk[/ame]

 

Thanks. What a sight to see and listen to slur.

 

I don't know about becoming Joe Namath but I could see him having a McNabb-like career in terms of statistics. He's very similar to McNabb and could have success if the team lets him develop his game, has patience and puts him in the WCO, where he belongs IMO.

 

I don't know about him being likee Mcnabb. Mcnabb was a starter all 4 years in college, while Sanchez started one year.
Obviously, they have to sit him down and let him learn the game and the playbook. They also have to surround him with more weapons if they want him to succeed. The current state of the Jets is not suitable for Sanchez, so starting him would be a mistake. A mistake I certainly want them to make.

 

That's why I stated for them to be patient with him and develop. Sanchez was a sixteen game starter in college I believe and history is not in his favor at all. Very few QB's who have under two years of starting experience pan out in the NFL. However, they can if the team they go to is patient with them and lets them develop. The reason I compared Mark Sanchez to Donovan McNabb is the skillset. Coming out, I felt that Sanchez had great feet in the pocket and had good quickness as well as the ability to flush the pocket or make throws rolling out on either side of the field, remisicent of McNabb. I also felt that Sanchez was a very good West Coast Offense quarterback, as he is very accurate on the short to intermediate throws. However, he did struggle with down field throws as he got erratic and often over-threw his receiver - very reminiscent of McNabb in my eyes.

 

With all this being said, keep in mind Sanchez played exactly one year, he couldnt get past John David freakin Bootey to start year before last.
His stats are good overall, but only 12th best in most categories in regards to USC all-time QB's.

I never really understood how he instantly sky-rocketed up the charts, and he was above average in a very very defensively week PAC-10.

Of course, once again, history as it always does will teach us what will happen.

 

Well could he have gotten past Booty? I recall reading an article a while ago that said Carroll wanted to start Sanchez but went with Booty. And remember, while that may seem odd to many, its not the first time Carroll's done it. After Carson Palmer left USC for the NFL, Matt Cassel was in a heated battle with Matt Leinart for the top job and actually beat Leinart out but Carroll picked Leinart to start because he felt that Leinart made more smarter decisions than Cassel. Now look where the two are in the pros.

I think its a bit unfair to compare his statistics with other USC quarterbacks because of how few games he actually started.

Weak QB class. Stafford went first overall and he had many mental breakdowns in college. He also made a lot of boneheaded decisions.

 

For the record, still not sure Matt Cassel is going to be any better than Leinart when all is said and done.

Well, the 16 games is only as fair as it is to rate him as being a good QB imo. He did have a very very good offense around him, perhaps not like Leinart did..but cmon, 12th best?

The last one I certainly agree with. I am also not sold on Stafford at all as I think the mental part, which is SOOOO incredibly important at the NFL level isnt parrt of his repetoire.

 

And we kicked your asses in your own house with the Division Title on the line. Ballgame, Scoreboard, end of argument.

 

Agreed. Just discussing what's going on right now and I think its safe to say that Cassel is having far more success than Leinart is.

Sixteen games is fair to rate him based off of his skillset, not a statistical outlook IMO.

Agreed.

 

Dude, really...bring your "A" game instead of this lame excuse.

So what made all the great QBs of that era great? Were they playing under different circumstances than that one-year wonder, overrated, slurring, pantyhose-wearing lamer Namath? They sure as **** did better than ol' Joe Willy did.

Joe Namath, the Jimmy Buffet of pro football...and entire career built upon one hit and a boatload of crappy other accomplishments. And even that win wasn't his doing. Matt Snell and the Jet defense won that game. Amazing Joe was 17 of 28 for 206 yards, no TDs and an interception.

Wow...tore 'em up, huh Joe?

Keep showing that video of you waving your "#1" finger after that Superbowl win Joe...it marks exactly how many times you made a difference on the football field.

One.

 

last i checked the object of the game was to always throw touchdowns and never an interception. namath got the message backwards.

 

Yea really...Namath in his "super" year: 15 TDs, 17 INTs, 49% completion percentage, 72.1 passer rating.

By way of comparison, Len Dawson in the same year: 17 TDs, 9 INTs, 58% completion percentage, 98.6 passer rating.

Hmmmm....I guess Lenny was playing against high schools, huh 124?

Namath = Mediocre.

 

he's also the same QB taht doesnt even have 1/64th of Marino's talent, in fact Cleo ****ing Lemon could give Broadway Joe a run for his pantyhose-errr money.

You mean our 14 titles as opposed to your 2?

 

FF...he's a Jet fan. Don't confuse his false reality with facts.

 

Yeah, Division Titles are awesome.

Hey guys, if you are happy with Division Championships, I'm not going to stand in the way and let you celebrate them. Whatever makes you happy. If just being in the Top 8 14 times makes you happy, go for it, rock on with your socks on.

I for one could care less unless SUPER BOWL is on the hat/tshirt before Champions.

Winning is the ONLY thing that matters.

And Pagan, you can TRY and knock Joe Namath all you'd like. Fact is he changed the game forever by leading the team to the Super Bowl and winning the game. He had an amazing pass to Don Maynard in the AFC Championship Game (AFL Championship) against the Oakland Raiders that without his bomb, none of this would never happen. He game managed the team to the title because that is all he needed to do and his stats that game arn't bad at all. We've seen worse stats by a QB whose won the Super Bowl before. He Game Managed us to victory, because that is what he was asked to do. He did it. He won it. And he changed the history of the AFL/NFL forever. The Jets did as a whole, but Namath played the biggest part in it.

So please, keep on knocking him down. I really could give two ****s less what you, a fan of a rival team, thinks about him. He played his *** off for us and played with injuries that nobody in today's game would dare play with. He was expected to last four years in professional football, that is what the doctors told him before the draft. He lasted over a decade. At the end of the day you can pull out all the meaningless statistics that you want and you can enjoy every single second of it. At the end of the day, the only statistic that truly matters, Namath has a ring and he played his part in getting it. He stepped up when it mattered most, even if the entire season/career wasn't pretty. A famous QB on a rival team of the Jets, doesn't.

/End rant. End of me in this thread. Keep bashing Namath, I really could care less.

Hall of Famer. Super Bowl Champion. Legend.

 

If you didn't care you wouldn't be responding. Not to mention you get upset about people bashing namath, yet its ok to you continually trivialize the dolphins winning the division.

 

Plus the fact, none of our qb's had to put on panty hose and become a drunk on the side lines to get attention. They just played football..

 

When you go from 1-15, the season before, then going 2-4 and everybody writing you off as another lost season (including you and fellow jets fans) And coming back beating our archrival in their house, with their QB for the division title, yeah, it is awesome.

Pretty sure you were braging about the division championship that you thought you had locked up in mid November.

Now you just contrdicting yourself.
So WINNING is the only thing that matters, but WINNING the division, doesn't?

There is no trying.
The guy was a bum. His best season the threw more INTS than TDs and completed less than half of his passes. Google anywhere "most overrated QB ever" "worst QB in hall of fame" Namath, unanimous decision.

One pass?
You kidding me? One pass? That is all you can come up with?
You write off Peyton Manning's great seasons, you write off Big Bens season, but Joe Namath's pass is everything football meant to be?

What "this"? We wouldn't be watching modern day NFL because Namath completed a pass?

Ill answer this with your own quote.

Way to stick a foot in your mouth

The Jets won it. He got the credit.

No, he got the most credit for it.

Were not knocking him down. He showed you real stats. The fact that they are garbage has nothing to do with Pagan's, mine, or any other Dolphins fan opinion about Namath.

You wrote a pretty good sized article defending him.
Again...shoving the food deeper in your mouth.

Orly? Id like to look at that.

Good for him. Durable guy.

Meaningless statistics?
Those are career numbers.
They SHOW how he played as a quarterback.

So did the long snapper.

What?
Knock on Danny?
There was a guy by name of Griese who won TWO superbowls for Miami
And Danny was the greatest pure QB in the game.
Better than Chin "I benefit from stolen signals, and still choke in the superbowl) Brady, better than Namath.
Im not even sure what you mean by choking?
Dan threw for 32 TDs in the playoffs, with 56% completion.
Thats better than Namath's career stats.

So what was the point of this post then?

You keep repeating that to yoruself bud.
Whatever helps you sleep at night

So is Trent Dilfer...
Wait nvm, gotta think of somebody else.
Dilfer scored a touchdown in the superbowl.

 

Ah...I get it. So we must all kneel at the shrines of such wonderful QBs as Jeff Hostetler and Mark Rypian also. Well hell, they won a superbowl by "managing the team" too!

Ridiculous logic.

You wanna clarify the bold part? He threw one INT and NO TDs in the superbowl. Snell ground out over 100 yards and the Jet defense intercepted Colt QBs FIVE times. What - exactly - did Namath do to "step up" besides being JUST as mediocre as he was the entire season?

First it was "it was a different game back then", now it's his injuries. What's the next excuse?

And as for meaningless stats....173 career TDs and 220 career INTs is far from meaningless, my friend.

MANY QBs in the same time period had better passing stats, and Len Dawson, as I mentioned before, had FAR superior stats than Namath and also won a super bowl.

How come he doesn't get the same hype?

The answer is simple....because Dawson had class and kept his big friggin mouth shut instead of "guaranteeing" a win. He just went out and did it.

All based upon hype. He was a legend only to Jet fans. To everyone else, a braggart and a drunk in pantyhose.

Bingo....

Always said, those who say they don't care....really, really do.

Truth hurts. ONE season that he meant something....a whole bunch where he sucked. And even the one year he meant something was - as I've said before - mediocre.

An entire career built on hype.

 

He is a legend because he said that the jets were going to win and they did. People don't remember Namath for his ability to play QB they remember him for calling his shot and succeeding at it. Jets fans may or may not remember his passes, as they should, but I would wager that this is not the reason why most people remember Namath. The reason calling his shot is so huge is because the previous two SBs were won by the NFL side and the Jets were 18 point underdogs. No one thought they would win.

Yes, he and the Jets did win a super bowl. I don't know that it largely rests on Namath's shoulders, though. I think people in general put too much of an emphasis on the importance of a quarterback in the game. I think they are one of the most important positions on the team but when something goes well or something goes horribly wrong who gets blamed or praised?

Quarterback
Coach

and usually in that order unless it is a continual thing.. in which case the FO probably starts to get the blame for poor drafting, etc. however, it is usually not the TEAM that gets the credit or the blame.

As far as Marino is concerned he is a Legend and a HOF'er as well. The only thing he didn't do that Namath did do is win a SB. And I REALLY don't think that was due to Marino's inability to throw the ball.. OR the WR'ers ability to catch the ball for that matter. Those teams as a whole couldn't pull it together. They lost. It is not one players fault that they didn't win.

 

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Well this thread has proved 2 things I think:

1)Namath was a mediocre QB that was durable and had a lot of panache

2) Mark is the freakin MAN

 

Just stating facts my friend, just stating facts

 

you go Scholar!

 

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