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Chris Williams the good and the bad

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  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sport...s-lil-chris-williams-has-some-wild-night.html

    Back to back butt chewings by HC Sparano and when you are an UDFA out of New Mexico State University you know the margin for error is very small to begin with..

    Mike Berardion makes a good point when he said most Rooks would hide under a rock after screwing up twice...unless they are Vontae Davis...:shifty:
     
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  2. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Williams could be a big surprise in a little package
    the delimma in both the WR & RB corps increase w/ the performance of Chis Williams & Hilliard

    let them compete.
     
  3. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    This guy has a chance to break one every time he drops back. You could tell he was nervous at first, but he is electric.
     
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  4. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Getting tackled at the one really shook my confidence in him on punt returns. Sure he made a great one after that, but even if he's electric you cant put him back there if he's doing that.

    Kick returns were amazing.
     
  5. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    What happens alot of times with young players is they taste a small amount of success, then disappear and end up being cut, Williams has to play at the same "consistent" high level to remain even in contention for the Roster.

    To me, if we want our ST unit to be competitive guys like Williams have to make the team.
     
  6. Samphin

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    Well, you hope that him getting tackled at the one, is a lesson he learns in preseason and not an error he continues to make going forward. I was tough on the kid when he caught the ball because the odds were, it was going to be a touchback.

    However he was simply amazing on the kick returns and had he cut in instead of out, he would have had himself a TD on one in particular.

    His punt return duties may need some refining, but I like him as a kick returner. And we can always put Bess back there as a punt returner if the kid simply can't do it. Color me impressed with him.
     
  7. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Yep, apparently our philosophy is within the ten yd line you let it bounce and the only returners who can run east and west and get away with it we Prime Time and Dante Hall

    Mike B. mentions that Sparano will keep feeding him the ball on returns and it sounded like Sparano really likes him as a returner.
     
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  8. Rhody Phins Fan

    Rhody Phins Fan Well-Known Member

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    If he got the full time job this season he would definitely take atleast one back for a td.
     
  9. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    The good thing is learning to let the ball bounce and/or not running backwards when you catch it isnt TOO hard to teach. So he could improve pretty quickly.
     
  10. padre31

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    Problem with Bess the returner is he averages 11 yards per attempt, which is kind of poor the truth be told.

    I do know the kicker face masked him (the Jags were face masking all over the place last night..:angry:) or he may have taken it to the house, but it still gave us great field position.
     
  11. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Yeah and to be honest the whole "let the ball bounce" stuff is sort of a general rule, the returner has to judge how close the gunners are to the ball, if they are close he is better off catching it to save the 5 or 6 yds and to keep the ball off of the 1 or 2 yd line.
     
  12. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    That is true.

    The other general rule is that you plant your feet at the 10 yard line, and if you have to backpedal to get it you generally let it bounce.
     
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    That is another way a good returner can help the team, if they have solid fielding ability and good field vision, they can save the offense from being pinned inside the 3yd line, the "let it bounce" rule is sort for the C Williams of the world who haven't really shown they can field or judge how close the kick coverage is.
     
  14. Samphin

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    With Bess we get sure hands and someone who knows when and when not to take the ball and run with it. He isn't the flashy option and I would prefer that our starting wideout not have gunners flying at him with gusto, but if we need stability, he is our guy. Just a fall back option more than anything else.

    I am willing to give Chris Williams another chance and chalk the fumble and bobble up to first game jitters and bad weather.
     
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  15. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    I was upset with his mistakes but the kid has a lot of potential, had he cut inside like Sam said taht would have been a TD.
     
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    With the tougher schedule though, we have to find places to gain additional yards, Bess is "safer" but he doesn't offer much in the way of positive yardage.

    We had a 150 yd gap in ST last season in lost return yards and especially in field position, we gave our oppenents great field position game in and game due to a combination poor kick coverage and Carpenter's short kick offs, and poor return yardage.. touchbacks from Carpenter are rare birds.


    He's got three more games to make himself indispensible young guys such as him will sometimes flash with a great game then just disappear.
     
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    I applaud Sparano for keeping him in there after his first 2 returns and with the fans calling for his head. The other negative I saw with him is that he had a lot of trouble with his route to the ball on returns. He looked lost and made it harder than it had to be. Hopefully those things can be corrected by next Saturday
     
  18. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I was always taught that you put your heels on the 10 yard line and if it goes over your head you let it go.
     
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  19. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Yep thats what I posted too. Thats the general rule. Obviously there are certain circumstances where you might take a shot at it, but usually you let it bounce.
     
  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I think he wanted to make an impression. This is his chance to shine and show the coaches what he can do with the ball in his hands.

    Plus you do not know if that was what he was instructed to do by the coaches, since it is preseason.
     
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  21. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Thats true but I somehow doubt they told him to field the ball inside his 7 yard line and run backwards.


    I agree with the first part though.
     
  22. the 23rd

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    should let him compete more @ WR
     
  23. padre31

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    Just watched the first half replay and the return where Vontae Davis bumped the Jags returner...the guy was at his own 7yd line when he caught the ball.

    He recognized the kick coverage would beat the ball landing so he called for the fair catch to avoid a ball at the one yd line...that is what professionals do raffie.

    Drawing the illegal contact penalty was a bonus, so in essence, the Jags returner gained 20yds 5 that would have been lost in field position, and 15 for the flag..

    Smart player.
     
  24. PhinsRock

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    Considering it was the kid's first time in an NFL game, albeit preseason, I would have to give him a pass for the 2 mistakes and want to see more of him on PR & KR, the kid is electric. He was nervous and wanting to impress, well once he got past the jitters, he certainly impressed me! :up:
     
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  25. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    Williams did very good for his first time on the real field.
     
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    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    If he gets his head on straight, he has the physical tools to be a great return man. Were I coaching, I would give him the whole preseason to work things out and try to keep him in an active roster spot for the regular season.
     
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  27. SargeZ33

    SargeZ33 Semperfi!

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    I really like this kid too. I cant believe that there might be 2 roster spots taken by UFA's. Its incredible what our scouts are doing out there. Makes the rebuilding process alot easier to do.
     
  28. padre31

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    check out how they discovered C Williams:

    That last part is a great example of Head Coach offical gibberish...a "one year program"? What is he talking about?

    Sparano went at length about Chris Williams during his interview:

    And:

    What has been talked about in this thread, Chris Williams has the door opened just a crack, he has to pry it all the way open by continued perormance.

    Funny thing is, the "bloggers" got that exactly wrong, playmakers can still make the roster.
     
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  29. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    I'd say after he settled down he looked real good.
     
  30. rafael

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    I think that's the key. "Play makers" are always coveted. That's why I'm optimistic about his chances to make the roster. He has to continue to prove that he's a play maker and he has to prove that he can be trusted, but just watching his play and improvement in that one game, I'm confident he will do that.
     
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  31. the 23rd

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    Freind rafeal:
    I agree & add that he has to do it now & spactcularly
    has to make it work every time he touches the ball
    I'd like to see him stick
     

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