What about Ronnie Brown and Ted Ginn? I personally hold them no ill will, yet they do get their fair share of grief around here.
Toss up between Wes Welker & Bryan Cox. Welker is too much like Doug Flutie to me. I could tolerate Cox, but once he left it was even worse.
Sorry but I don't dislike any player that made positive contributions to the Dolphins. EDITED TO ADD: I take that back. I looked above my post and saw the name Wes Welker. I hate that prick.
Olindo Mare- the least clutch kicker of al time and a total douche by all accounts. Ricky Williams-it took awhile before alot of people could forgive him. Ronnie Brown - People(especially on the other site) just seemed to hate to watch him suceed. Derrick Rodgers - the poster boy for keeping the D on the field because of a boneheaded play, and then he would laugh about it. He was a flop, dont give me that "he won games" bull****, He put us in more bad situations than good ones, he(along with Wannstache) wasted Zach and JT's oppurtunities to get to the big dance. Our Defense and Ricky(before he retired) were the reasons for any sucess we had during the Wanstache era. Didnt Surtain, Madison, JT and Zach all make the probowl at once? Their chances: wasted. /end rant
I wasn't crazy about Sam Madison. Obviously an excellent player but I just didn't like him. I don't tend to like loud mouths. Accordingly I'm not crazy about Porter now. Surprisingly though Crowder doesn't bug me. I don't see him as a guy who is a jerk or losing focus.
As for Thurman Thomas, who I always called "THE ANTICHRIST", he is among my top four players that I have hated the most during my lifetime (Carl Eller, and the Dallas safeties in the late 1970's, Charlie Watters and Cliff Harris are the other ones). I had wished for him to blow out his ACL from like 1989 onward. Unfortunately, it happened when he was with us at a game I was at in San Diego Surprisingly a great Dolphin player that I did not like was Jim Langer. For some reason I thought he was wierd. I did not like the fact that as a center he wore #62, instead of a number in the 50's. I also found it strange when he claimed that he was so concentrated on his own play, that he was unaware of what actually happened in the game until he saw the game films. Since I am a big picture guy, I find that strange. Also the fact that late in his carrer, he abandoned the Dolphins to go to Minnesota Considering that the Vikings were the team I hated the most as a kid, I found that to be treasonous.
Tony Nathan was one I couldn't stand. I really don't know what is was about him. I do remember he fumbled of something more than once at the goal line. And Jim McMahon, I honestly forget where he played. but he was a first class jerk. Joe Namath, nothing but a showboat. Sorry, I didn't stick to the Dolphins.
At least IMHO the most disliked and flop has to be directed at Dave Wannstedt even though he wasn't a player. He led the Dolphins into the darkest period in their history. It seemed though he was forced down our throats by JJ. Wannstedt won initially with Jimmy Johnson's roster and staff, but under his control the roster degraded and the Dolphins slipped to the bottom of the league.
bumrush -- nice idea for a thread! jetssuck--looks like you got some perspective on Feidler, which isn't so easy. I was a defender in those days, and I could see (or thought I could see) that the attackers were going too far in their attacks, but I couldn't see that I and other defenders were equally guilty of going too far in sticking up for him. Man, I am glad those days are over! Whoever brought up Langer -- man, what a memory! But I think he was a Minnesota native, so I couldn't blame him for going back. One guy fans ought to dislike is Ricky. Objectively speaking, he did enormous damage to the franchise. But I can't help but like him, and it seems like most fans feel the same way. Back in the day I really hated Csonka, Kiick and Warfield for going to the WFL. Now that I am older and I realize how short NFL careers are, I can never blame anyone for making all the money he can. And salaries in the 70s were a fraction of what they are now, of course. I also hated Henry Stuckey for getting beat by Cliff Branch in the '74 playoff game -- I didn't realize then that Stuckey was a third-stringer. I have a hard time coming up with anyone to dislike. I think more of the guys who, for one reason or another (usually injury) didn't have the careers they deserved: Andra Franklin, Dwight Stephenson, Don McNeal, Joe Carter, David Overstreet, Yatil Green...I am sure the rest of you could think of many more.
I hated what RW did. I don't think there was any excuse (wannstead, illness, whatever), he was just selfish. He betrayed his team mates and presumably his friends. And he probably did more damage to this franchise than anybody in the history of the Dolphins. That being said I don't hate him. I believe he realized how selfish he was (more so than those fans that continue to defend his actions) and is a better person now.
Cris Carter is good (or bad, as it were) one and cnc66, I still dislike Garo for that stupid blunder of a play, that's really a good one. My vote goes to...(drum roll please because I'll probably take heat for this)....Ricky Williams. I still can't excuse him for lying about quitting the team because Wanny used him too much when he really quit because he had gotten caught cheating with drugs. I love what the guys now brings to the table and it appears he's gotten his life and issues straightened out, but I still can't dismiss the crap he put us thru a week before TC....I just can't bring myself to trust him any longer or excuse him for his past discretions....besides that, I hate guys that don't live up to their potential...he could have been one of the better backs of all time...but he threw it away... Ok, sorry for the rant, but you asked ??
Hate is reseved for traitors in my book and I cant think of any right now except for the WannySpeil combo who setback this team for many years . I will name a couple of overated players who were fan favorites but never did anything on the field . David Boston---fans drooled over his physique but he was injury prone and a dud. Rob Konrad...so much ink written about so little on field performance.
Konrad is a perfect example of why Wannspeil failed.. Year after year we kept players on the team because of their potential, not play...
Seriously. Now he has inflated stats by playing in that offense which makes him look much better than he is. It pisses me off.
Thats a pretty hefty statement. Now I might understand why you not like some loudmouths players, prefering silet, lead by example type like Zach, which is fine. im assuming you dont like Ray Lewis either? but always in middle of trouble? In a ten year career, he has been in trouble once. He got in to a fight outside a Casino. Thats his only "official' trouble. And he didin't even get punished for it. sure, he got shot, but how the hell is that legal trouble? The man got shot. you might say 'well, he shouldn't be around that kinda evniroment' And you might be right. All im saying that saying that "he is always in the middle of trouble" is a bit of a strech, no?
Lets not forget about his dogs getting loose and killing a mini horse, getting shot in the *** isn't something to overlook (players need to be aware of who they hang with and where they go). Also the disparaging comments that earned him a fine with the Steelers, the fact that he was one of the main characters that helped to undermine Cameron when he was here, etc, etc, etc. Porter isn't a choir boy, he's had his share of run-ins, more than any player should IMO.
For me, it was Sammy Knight... Dude wasn't overall a bad player, but in space his feet might as well have been cemented into the ground. He was slower than molasses running uphill in the winter.
I guess we have a different definition of trouble. I have NO problem with him speaking, because frankly, he can talk the talk, and his production is unquestionable. He gets the team fired up on Sundays. THe man plays football, every player in every intreview insist the same thing "Joey has a motor that doesn't stop, he is relentless" I tryed to look around, but haven't found any details on the horse thing. THey got loose, and killed a minihorse on the farm about a mile away. Joeys house has a 6 foot fence. So the only thing he might be guilty of, if it was in fact him, not making sure that the door is locked. And since when getting fined is considered trouble? Joey is a flamable guy, but I won't go as far as "always being on trouble" what was the last trouble he was? Fining for critiquing refs? For the productions he has, I can live with that. But i guess we can just agree to disagree on the issue)
For me it was Keith Jackson. He came to Miami after producing huge for GB..and he was mediocre for us IMO. I mean he had big plays...but just wasn't what I expected I guess.
His production prior to last year was absolutely in question and part of the reason the Steelers let him go. If you are going to own dogs that are known for being mean (which led me to question Porter's defense of Michael Vick), you have to make sure that they are secure at all times so they don't menace the neighborhood. No offense bro, but getting fined is the result of acting up. We'll have to because I don't overlook bad behavior just because a player puts up a productive season.
That, and the fact that they had James Harrison, while Joey demanded money. I agree with you. And it was his fault. But after the incident he appeared very disappointed, did, and said all the right things. To me he came off as somebody who was sincerely sorry after the incident. I don't write it off, but it just doesn't strike me as a DUI. Joey's fines in the league cam from speaking his mind about poor refereeing. Neither do I. But like i said, I guess we have different definition's of "bad behavior"
I couldn't stand McMichael, mostly for the wife beating but just as much for how he never really played up to match his mouth. And as much a hero Bob Griese is, I agree he is the most arrogant and boring broadcaster I have ever had the displeasure of watching.
I think it had more to do with injury and production than it did Harrison. Having someone there to take his place surely helped, but the Steelers didn't feel that Porter was worth a large contract because of those factors. I'm sure he was, but that doesn't make the incident disappear. It's still on the list. Also for his comments about Winslow and last year for verbally abusing Patriot players and refusing to leave the field last year, he was ordered off the field by Sparano after 2 back to back penalties and Joey ignored him and sent Anderson back to the bench. Joey is no stranger to NFL fines or taking advantage of rookie coaches. I guess, I don't like players who run their yaps to draw attention to themselves or undermine their coaches.
