I remember watching that, and thinking to myself, "holy crap, I hope the phins suspend him for a game" It didn't happen, but he did sort of disappear the last 4 games anyway.
I wanted to like McMichael so much. I'll never forgive him for that whiff "block" against Harrison ...
I think the thread starter meant guys that actually produced as phins, but weren't really liked and/or appreciated. Culpepper, Jamar Fletcher, and Eddie Moore did nothing
People get hurt. I can't judge him based on his time there, because I dont know the details. I know that the past season he dominated the first 12 games, and even with just 1 sack withing the last 3 games, he still finished second in the league. No. But I don't see this as "trouble" more of "unfortunate accident" I have no problem with trash talking. Whatever happened there, it was worked out between him and coach, which was later confirmed by both of em. To draw attention? T.O., Chad Johnson. They draw attention. Can't really say that about Joey.
I LOVED Tony Nathan..OMG..he was a modern back in the day when noone caught passes and ran out of the backfield. Between Griese and Nathan being on this list..I am going to have to look back and see what I was missing
But the NFL does, which means that they classify him as a troublemaker based on the actions taken. That doesn't dismiss his actions though, he still snubbed his nose at the coach by ignoring Sparano's substitution, that shows lack of respect for the rookie coach and could have rubbed off on younger players. There is a chemistry issue that needs to be remembered, when draft picks show up to camp they take their queues from the veterans. Bad habits are learned in the beginning and that is something that Porter doesn't get. I hear folks talk about him as a leader, but his mouth and past disrespect for coaches completely undermines any hard work he does out on the field IMO. Yeah, Joey is a loose cannon with his mouth, he likes to talk to the media to get attention. There is no other reason for it, he's a big mouth in the mold of TO or Johnson, just without the gold teeth and name changes.
Goes to show you how things change..When Dan Marino was Drafted..I saw an interview in Camp where he said he was there to challenge for the starting job. I said..WHAT A JERK!!!..I loved David Woodley and we were just coming off playoffs and a Super Bowl appearance. I felt that way until I saw Dan throw one pass..just one...the rest was History
This question is for Bumrush. Did you mean players that weren't flops for the Dolphins? That's the impression I had, but it seems that many people's lists are made up of players who were successful elsewhere but flopped here.
What exactly do you mean by that? League was aware of the horse accident, but there was no fees/suspsensions from their part. I guess they didn't see it as a big deal as you do? You know exactly what happened? I don't. He didin't come off the field, yes. But whatever it was, it was worked it. To US it seemed like he was a big bad jerk, and maybe he was. But he wasn't NOT coming off the field because he was being a deuch about it, rather because he wanted to be in the game. Should of he done that? No. Don't see as this being classified as trouble. And about Cam Cameron. Coach is supposed to be respected, he did not earn his player's respect, Joey is not the only one who "undermined coach Cameron" And thats your opinion. People who are around the team on daily basis feel otherwise. And im pretty sure they have a better take on what's going on from over there, rather than over here. So you are saying that Joey is no different from Ocho or T.O?
Thanks, Mari0k. You're right. It was Levi Jones. And, it was not a one-on-one fight. Porter and his friends jumped Jones. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7Mb-zF2ukY"]YouTube - Joey Porter and Levi Jones Fight[/ame]
These guys may not be what you were after if you consider them flops, but they started for more than a year together: Paul Lankford and William Judson. Of course, I may not have liked them, but Ken O'Brien did.
Not for the horse incident, for his comments and actions on the field. I don't think the NFL is capable of fining a player for something like that, or at least not under the past NFL commish. We all know what happened because it was widely reported. Porter took two stupid penalties and Sparano sent Anderson in to replace him, Porter was being a stubborn prick and waved Anderson back to the sidelines in spite of Sparano's wishes. So yes, he was being a douche and disregarding Sparano's authority. He wasn't the only one, but he was the most vocal (remember the team meeting). Whether you like a coach or not, respect a coach or not, you don't go out of your way to be disrespectful, he's still the man steering the ship and you have to respect that position or else you'll end up undermining the team. That sets a horrible example for the young players who witnessed it and it also causes tension betweeb the players and the coaching staff. Tell that to a team like the Bengals who have had vets acting up for years, their team is in disarray because the inmates are running the asylum and setting the tone for the rest of the team. When the vets don't respect the coaches, the young players are more than likely going to follow. It's just like dealing with children, it's commonsense and not something that should be overlooked. Not in his attitude and comments, no. When Joey spouts off he is every bit the distraction that those other players are when they do it, the reasoning of "he's on our team so it isn't an issue" doesn't work, Joey has created alot of newspaper fodder for our opponents and extra hassle for our FO having to comment and deflect comments that he makes to the media. Does Porter have a jersey that says "Cinco Cinco"? No, but that doesn't mean that his words aren't as bad as something Johnson or TO would say.
The only thing Joey Porter has been fined for is speaking up about what most of us are saying in the stands - poor refereeing. Obviously Sparano didn't take as much offense to his persona as you are taking it for him, because right after the game, both guys said it was settled between them, and both parties moved on. The tension was there long before that team meeting. You know that as well as I do. What exactly do you want me to tell them? Bengals have a long history of players having multiple run-ins with the law, and players who just don't care about the team. Joey Porter is a vocal guy, who has had a single incident with the law. He also has the coaching staff and the team behind him, insisting that he is a great leader and a great player. So I guess you can throw JT in the same category, no? He also made public comments, and every other player who spoke his mind, no? Johnson: racing horses, demanding trades, hiding nachos on the sidelines, wearing shoes with his picture on them... T.O. crying for the ball, slacking off, selfish. Joey Porter - refs suck. No, Joey has never said anything as bad as those two clowns ever had, or will.
That just isn't true, he was fined for the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty that he received in the Patriots game that caused Sparano to send Anderson in, and he was also fined for his comments about Winslow. Now unless you think everyone in the stands are calling Winslow a ******, you're wrong. So that's 3 fines in 2 years, not exactly what I would call a model citizen in the NFL community Do you think Sparano is going to turn a bad situation worse by starting a public war of words with a player? I don't, he's too smart for that. He knows that nothing is gained by airing dirty laundry and he also knows that is a good way to get in Parcells' doghouse. Of course, but that doesn't justify the way Porter decided to handle it. A coach needs to be respected even if you don't like him, obviously Porter doesn't feel that is the case. Well again, what do you expect them to say? Do you think that they are going to say "you know what, Joey is a distraction and we would be better off if he would just shut his mouth"? Even after years of underming of his coaches and distracting behavior, Chad Johnson still has players and coaches trying to put out the fires in the media by saying that he's a great teammate and "winner", and so does TO. If you're waiting to hear Sparano and the Dolphin players slam Porter in the press, you're going to be waiting a while. I've gone on record several times over the years to say that Taylor isn't a team player or the leader that people claim he is. Taylor was also seen on the sidelines in '07 yelling in Cam's direction and making comments that weren't what you would expect of a leader. Add to that offseason after offseason of hinting that he's thinking about retiring to start an acting career, that not only put his future in doubt with his teammates and FO, but it also did the same with potential FA's who didn't know how long he would be around. I don't have a high opinion of Taylor, so yes put him in the same category. You are ignoring a whole list of Porter's run-ins in an effort to be right. To say that his comments weren't as bad or worse than anything Johnson or Owens have said is silly. You could add to the list... 1. Attempting to undermine at least 2 coaches 2. The Vegas brawl 3. Jarring in the media with Belichick, the Pats, Brandon Marshall, Matt Jones, Levi Jones (prior to the Vegas fight), Kellen Winslow, etc, etc, etc. (distraction) 4. Multiple NFL fines 5. The pitbull incident 6. The shooting incident I'd also like to point out the hypocracy of Joey Porter. He complained back in '03 when Ray Lewis copied his signature sack dance (Porter called it disrespectful, negative and a slap in the face), yet Porter did the same type of thing to Culpepper a few years ago when he sacked him. That's Joey Porter, a bigmouth with little between the ears.
L2G, the only innapropriate thing JP did while he was in MIAMI, was disrespecting Cam Cameron. The incident with Sparano, IMO, was his emotions taking over. We all know JP plays with passion. The trash talking to Jones, Marshall, etc.. is fine with me. The Pitbull incident, the shooting incident, jumping Levi Jones, etc.. was all in Pittsburgh. Since coming to Miami, he hasn't done anything to get himself into trouble.
I only have a couple I can think of. Terrell Buckley: Yes, he was a high level corner. But he gambled way too much, and seemed good for at least one long completion a game. I absolutely despised him. David Boston: I was sad when we signed him, he was a player that could have done so much more, had he not ruined himself with HGH. Out of the two, I despise Buckley much, much more than Boston. Boston was an annoyance, Buckley caused me to chuck stuff at my TV.
If Jay Fielder and KAJ count, I pick them. Fielder couldn't throw an out pass, which totally reduced the amount he can do. KAJ was just a bad runningback, imo. Parmalee was better.
Correct. Players that were on the border... Or players that were accepted as contributors but that you didn't like.
I really can't think of a guy I didn't like that did okay here. As long as guys contribute I have no problem with them. I've never been a fan of Ricky since he left but I forgive him, and dont dislike him. Wes Welker was the only one as I said before.
Please...Fiedler was spared the distinction of being the WORST Dolphins' QB of all time by the Quarterbacking black hole that was Ray Lucas.
John Beck. Kept getting a pass for having gone on a mission and studying the playbook so hard with his wifey and having had his confidence shattered by having been thrown to the sharks too early by Cam Cameron, all of which masked the fact that he just couldn't play. Ray Lucas was indeed the nadir; absolute rock bottom of what it is to play for the Dolphins. Rutgers finds it hard to live on with the shame of it.
Now my fellow Fielder haters are coming out. Fiedler was horrible and horrible for too long. Heard he was an approachable, cool dude though.
I don't see how Beck or Lucas can be considered anything but flops here. This thread is about players who were not flops here.
The only thing he is guilty of in the Winslow accident, is his choice of words. The word he used, is used daily by alot of people I know who have nothing against gay people, hell, I've used the word and I have gay friends. But because it is Joey Porter, league had no choice but to fine him. If he would of called Winslow a *******, or a *****, the league wouldn't of fined him. But the "political correctness" of our society left the league no choice. I have no problem with Joey trash talking, especially to a rival's team player after a cheap shot. The penalty vs patriots? For talking smack. It was late in the game, and both players were talking, Joey got fined. He didin't get a DUI, or failed a drug test, he got fined, because his emotions took over him, and if his emotions help him play the way he did last year, I am willing to take a flag, or two on his behalf. As I wrote earlier, Joey's emotions took over, and he didn't want to come off the field, he later apologized and realized he was wrong. It was a one time thing, because I don't ever remember Porter questioning Coach. And what you are saying might be true, maybe it was a bigger issue than I think, or maybe I am right, that Sparano understood where Joey was coming from, and didn't take it as disrespect to his persona. Then you will have to write in 3/4ths of that roster in to "undermining the head coach" Funny you bring that up. When I was at TC, I remember asking Crowder if coach EVER had ANY issues with him and Joey talking. "Never" "Not once he told me or Joey to cut it down, he knows it is part of who we are and what we do" I guess coach knows that a little fire isn't bad for the team, and the fact that YOU wish Joey would quit talking, doesn't change the fact that Tony accepts Joey for who he is, and doesn't try to change him. You also forgot to mention that for every good thing somebody had said about those two, there was also a number of people who went on the record, calling those guys out on being distractive, and selfish. And im not talking about 1 or 2 times, it has happened ALOT. While Joey, being in Pitt or down here, has ALWAYS had nothing but praise from his players and teammates. Orly? You mean Joey wasn't the only one "undermining" Cameron? You still haven't pointed out one thing that HE has said that TO or Cinco would say. Those guys are selfish crybabies. You could add to the list... Gimme a break. He was not "undermining" Sparano. He was playing off his emotions and he wanted stay on the field. Once accident of him not coming of the field, erases all the praise he has received and everything he has accomplished last season? And In Cameron's case, you can write in the rest of the team for "undermining" him. Like I have stated earlier, his ONLY legal run-in with the law. You see as distraction. I don't. He can play, he can talk. Have you ever played football, mind me asking, and what position? For speaking out? He called out Bellicheck on cheating, he has been fined for calling out refs, he has been fined for the Winslow accident, because he used the word that he used. Incident. How in the world that is something Chad or TO will do? That was just an unfortunate event. You can't do much if you are in the club, you get get shot, can you? You really go out your way to find every possible thing you dont like him. Little between the ears? So now the man is stupid? Really? It doesn't take much to sit back here, and bash a guy, and blow things out of proportions, while he goes out and does everything he can for the team, im not so sure that he is the one with little between the ears. Bottom line, he has done nothing wrong since coming to Miami. You can complain that "Omgz, Joey talks to much, he has a big mouth, and not enought between the ears" But the bottom line is that the teammates love him, the coaches love 'em. You can't satisfy everybody, because in the end of the day, no matter what I tell you, you will still think that Joey is a stupid loud mouth. And that's the beauty of it, everybody is entitled to their opinion. A little P.s. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawks/2002780266_kelley03.html Stupid right? If he would have anything "between his ears" he would of charged the kid
1. Probably no player was loved to be hated more than Jay Fiedler. Two reasons: 1, He wasn't Dan. 2, he couldn't throw an out pass to save his life. 2. Brian Walker. All hype...zero substance. Dude would get called for pass int pulling groceries off the shelf. 3. John Bosa. Nuff said! Of course, any player like Sammy Smith, Cecil Collins, etc who were hated because of their criminal selves simply speaks for itself and they don't have to be named.
IMO Fiedler was overly criticized b/c Wannstead was an idiot in regards to QBs. JF was a hard working guy who led the team to many wins. He was good enough to get us to the playoffs, but he was never talented enough to get the team to a championship. He would have been fine as a transition guy and great as a back up. But the team passed on upgrades in Hasselbeck and Brees b/c they over estimated JF's ability or underestimated the value of the QB position. I don't think that was JF's fault. I think it was Wanny's.
