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Why no one takes PETA seriously.

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  1. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    Actually you would need to shoot 100 deers to match the previous pictures...apparently 1 doesn't do the trick. :wink2:
     
  2. like2god

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    Good for you, if you aren't into hunting you shouldn't do it just to be one of the crowd. It isn't for everybody, I commend you on your choice not to do it. There is nothing worse than a hunter who isn't prepared to take the necessary kill shot aiming a loaded gun at an animal, one of two things will happen, either he'll completely miss or he'll wound the animal just enough for it to run off and suffer. Congrats on not being that guy. :up:
     
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  3. like2god

    like2god Typical white person Luxury Box

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    I could always arrange the gutpile into a PETA Sucks sign :shifty:

    :wink2:
     
  4. calphin

    calphin deadly at 250 yards!!

    I like the santa suit idea better.:wink2:
     
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  5. like2god

    like2god Typical white person Luxury Box

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    Yes and no

    Some hunters hunt for the trophy and then donate the meat to shelters and the skin to companies that make winter hats and gloves for the poor. But if a hunter goes in, kills the deer and cuts off the head (leaving the rest behind), then I agree 100%.
     
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  6. calphin

    calphin deadly at 250 yards!!

    Matt and I went out tuesday and spotted several deer. 5-6 of them I know were legal bucks, and 3 that presented themselves for great shots, if I'd have had my bow. I don't know for sure what the others were, as they ran off when we approached.

    BTW, hows the 55 gallon drum coming along?
     
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  7. like2god

    like2god Typical white person Luxury Box

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    I just put it out last night, but it was a bit smaller than 55 gallon. I'll let you know. :wink2:
     
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  8. calphin

    calphin deadly at 250 yards!!

    Mike, i've been hunting all my life. I started going with my dad when I was just a young child, 5-7 years old, and I have never seen that happen. You and I both know that the deer meat is costing us somewhere around $20 per pound, and no one in their right mind is going to leave 150 or so pounds of meat just lying on the ground like that because all they want is the horns. At the very least, they would give it to someone they know. IMO, thats another pipe dream animal rights activists have put in the air so that people that don't hunt and have no opinion of hunting will despise hunters.
     
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  9. azfinfanmang

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    Yeah, I hunted for quite a few years, and I have never ever heard of somebody leaving for Vulture dinner. Simply not done. Hell, after you work that hard for the kill, it wouldnt make sense, and part of the true experience is turning it into steaks, hamburger, sausage whatever...
     
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  10. calphin

    calphin deadly at 250 yards!!

    Amen!
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  11. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    you are telling me the exotic animals are always eaten? I find that hard to believe.
     
  12. like2god

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    Normally I would agree, but a few years ago there was a hunter in the area that came across a headless deer, the cuts were made by a knife and not a predator. Now I don't know if the deer had been shot, it very well could have died of natural causes and someone took the antlers, or more likely the hunter shot it and couldn't find it until a few days later when the meat went bad. That happens and it's unfortunate.
     
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  13. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    im sure it happens alot. Look at what poachers do. Is it outside the realm of reason to think that someone would want to kill an animal just for the trophy aspect?
     
  14. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Yup, no different that the White Man butchering of the Great Buffalo while the Native Americans respected what they took from nature as their brother/sister.

    Donation of meat, its coat for clothing, etc....all acceptable. :hi5:
     
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  15. calphin

    calphin deadly at 250 yards!!

     
  16. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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  17. like2god

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    I didn't mean to make it sound as if it's a common practice, I mentioned it (and it was big news around here among hunters) because it was so out of the ordinary and alot of us were upset. As I mentioned in my last post, sometimes you shoot an animal and he takes off, you then have to track him and in some terrain (thick brush) it's difficult. Sometimes you have to call it a night and go back out searching the next morning, it's not an ideal situation, but it does happen on occasion. It's possible that's what happened in my example, that the hunter didn't find the deer until the meat went bad, then there is nothing that the hunter can do but take the antlers.

    To be honest, and I know this goes for every single hunter that I know, if we saw anyone or knew of someone who was leaving a carcass behind, that person would have a hard time limping to the nearest emergency room. Hunters take pride in caring for the animals that they kill, noone wants to see an animal suffer and we go to great lengths to make sure it doesn't happen. But just like all things, there are going to be a small minority that don't follow the rules and don't care what they do in the woods. It's unfortunate, but it isn't the norm. :wink2:
     
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  18. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    im sure it happens more then we like to think. I don't hunt but I fish alot, I have seen that abused beyond belief, which really pisses me off. You and your friends were probably upset, because you were probably raised like me, to respect what you kill. But again humans are human........... Look I'm not saying hunters are bad people, hunters are like bikers, majority I'm sure respect what they are doing and do it right. But don't forget there is that 1 percenters group which adds up to about 10% of the populace.....
     
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  19. calphin

    calphin deadly at 250 yards!!

     
  20. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Despise poachers...Gorilla hands, and Elephant tusks...while the rest rots for no reason, never understand that mentality...butchers of the worst kind.
     
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  21. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    It does happen but as you seem to be suggesting I think it is a fairly small number. I live in an area where it seems like everyone is a hunter and I have several hunters in my family and hunting is always an act done with respect for the animal and the animal is always used. For instance I know several people who have small businesses where they sell deer meat and other hunting related meats. I also know people who set up fields where they feed the deer for years upon years just to better populate the deer population. Yes they are doing that for better hunting but when you think of the numbers they are helping sustain a healthy deer population since they are helping far more deer than what they are killing. It really is a conservation effort because why would hunters want to kill off or hurt a "game" animal's population? It doesn't make sense because then there would be nothing to hunt, so it only makes since that hunters would want to keep a healthy population full of healthy animals to hunt...and what do you call that?...conservation.

    There will always be a few hunters who break the code of using all of the animal and do just kill for the prize but those numbers are few and far between. For example I may remember maybe 2 cases where someone found a deer in the state L2G mentioned, and even then other hunters condemned that action.

    Like I said earlier I don't hunt because I can't make myself kill an animal but hunters are not bad people and I think are doing more for the animal population than against it, at least in my experiences. I am totally for the conservation and well being of animals, and from what I have seen hunters do that on a much larger scale than PETA who as I said before want recognition for helping animals but really do nothing. Plus doesn't PETA even have some centers where if there animals can't be adopted out they are killed? I am not saying PETA is worthless because once again the idea is great...they just waste that possibility.
     
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  22. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Absolutely, just like the logging and paper industry. They plant more trees then they remove and manage their growth from desease etc, but they get a bad rap cause they cut down trees, etc.

    Industry's rely on their resources/supplies to retain said industry. Conservation and good business practice! Common sense.
     
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  23. azfinfanmang

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    Absolutey, positively dead on the Money brother.

    I stated this in another thread on "The Other Site".....but, about 10 years ago, they had one hell of a time in the Santa Fe National Forrest, and more accurately the Jemez Range as they had not alotted enough tags to keep the hurd of Elk Down (I see Calphins gears moving alread :shifty:), so the result was serious over grazing and immense Mudslides. The fix was easy, auction off extra permits, and viola, self preservation.

    Like it or not, hunting does more help than harm. It keeps herds in healthy active numbers and keeps disease out by virtue of elimination. Of course PETA (Pinheads for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) wouldnt want to tell anybody that, that would be very precarious to them getting airtime. :yes:
     
  24. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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  25. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    While I admit there are idiots on both sides. You HAVE to admit the PETA ones go a little further than the opposition.

    When you see an anti-PETA ad this disgusting, show it to me....

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    That's funny...I don't consider Ted to be a lunatic at all. While I don't agree with alot of what he says, he's very intelligent.

    You won't see him attempting to get people to call fish "sea kittens". :tongue2:
     
  26. unluckyluciano

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  27. Sethdaddy8

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    That pisses me off man!! Thats what I HATE! idiot hunters who suck. But they have the gun in their hand, and the ego to go along with it. And they can't recognize their inadequacies, but they friggin suck. And they maim these animals, a damn domestic cat in that instance, and these poor animals have to limp off and suffer. If you want to hunt, fine. But you better be a good friggin shot. Causing pain and torturing animals is not acceptable.
     
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  28. Jaydog57

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    Jeez, another reason that gutless turds like the guy that shot that cat should just be hung up by the balls and set on fire. :mad:
     
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  29. calphin

    calphin deadly at 250 yards!!

    How do you know a hunter done that? anyone can buy a gun or bow.
     
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  30. like2god

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    Yeah, I don't think a hunter did that. I'd be more inclined to think it was some douchey teenager.
     
  31. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Or a dog!
     
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    :pointlol:

    Only a sissy dog would be afraid to chase and chomp down on a cat. Must be one of those mexi-doodles or wiener dogs like opie has. :up:
     
  34. Sethdaddy8

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    there are plenty of hunters who suck though, the story just fueled me. especially bow hunters. for god sakes man, can you pick something more deadly and accurate.
     
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  36. Fin D

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    L2G and Calphin have argued this with me before, but I never got a reasonable answer:

    If hunting for conservation works, how come every year the population needs to be culled again, by close to the same amount?
     
  37. like2god

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    I've never bow hunted, but some family and friends do and they say that it's only as accurate as the person using it, just like with a gun. The thing about bow hunting is that your area of shooting is greatly reduced versus the range you could hunt using a rifle, so it's much more difficult to actually get a deer during bow season.


    Anything to be right :lol:

    I'm not sure what the legal age would be for that kid to be a hunter, it varies by state to state (I think Ohio allows 12 year olds to hunt if supervised by a licensed hunter). Cats aren't a legal game anyway, but my point is that any parent that allows their 12 year old kid to use a weapon unsupervised is derelict in their parental duties. This kid's parents should have been fined at the very least IMO.
     
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  38. like2god

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    It has been explained, you just choose to ignore the explanations.

    Simple answer is balance, that's commonsense. Hunting keeps a deer population in check for that particular year, it's doesn't solve the problem permanently. And it can vary year by year depending on several different factors (how many deer survived the winter months, how many hunters didn't get a chance to use their tags, disease, how many deer died by other causes (cars, predators, etc). The DEC does their survey to determine how many doe permits are going to be allowed for a particular season, they don't just hand them out randomly for profit. It's a very controlled conservation to help the animal population thrive.
     
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  39. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Or calling household pets the "new slaves"

    well seeing as Daschhunds were bred to hunt badgers(which are tenacious little bastards) the dogs have to even more tenacious little bastards(no matter how comical weiner dogs are)

    Simple, a dog or cat gets lost and ends up in the woods, the hunter misses his shot and accidentally hits said dog or cat.
     
  40. calphin

    calphin deadly at 250 yards!!

    Simple, a dog or cat gets lost and ends up in the woods, the hunter misses his shot and accidentally hits said dog or cat.
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    Give me a break.:lol:

    if my aunt had a set of balls she would be my uncle.
     

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