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Kanye's at it again...

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by 305, Sep 13, 2009.

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  1. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    Technically, that is MY poster, he is just borrowing it. I have no idea why he cut a hole where his mouth was though...
     
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  2. DonShula84

    DonShula84 Moderator Luxury Box

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    His music is terrible, and he's a complete ***.
     
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  3. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    wait whats this I hear about the gay fish having talent?
     
  4. King Felix

    King Felix Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    talentless? hardly brah. but carry on
     
  5. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Or you could say he's a sensitive p***y who feels the need to publicly whine about any and everything.
     
  6. Styla

    Styla #1 Davone Bess Fan!!!

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    Chillaxin' in So.Cal
    Also wanted to add, very classy of Beyonce to give Taylor her moment, much more found respect for Beyonce. Kudos
     
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  7. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    Call him whatever you want, but if you call him talentless... I'd like to see you put out an album that is considered a musical masterpiece by many critics. I just might take you seriously then.
     
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  8. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    Tomayto, tomawto.

    I will give him credit that he is a man of action and his word, however. You cannot deny him that. How many times have we ALL said that if something happen, then you would react in a certain way (example: If she says this, than I am going to do that)?

    At least he actually goes through with it, consequences be damned (and please no one make some type of criminal comparison to what Kanye does).

    I didn't see it, but it sounds sappy, lame and contrived. Look for the Beyonce/Taylor duet where both can rake in dough.

    Oh and expect Kanye to most likely issue an apology while on Jay Leno's show tomorrow, which, by the way, I expect to have huge ratings, partially due to this, "controversy."
     
  9. charlestonphan

    charlestonphan Junior Member

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    you know... as much of a d-bag as Kanye is, i hope that Beyonce's husband Jay Z saw right thru his pathetic attempt to hit on his wife, and takes up the issue with him real soon.
     
  10. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Seems to me, every MTV awards show has one moment of controversy. So much so, in fact, I wonder if these things aren't staged.
     
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  11. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    No wayyyy
     
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  12. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    Please.

    If you go by what critics say, then I can't take you seriously in the least.

    Critics have just as much influence with music as they do with movies. There is no way anything that ever comes from Kanye West can be considered a "musical masterpiece".

    I'm sure Mozart would be looking to Kanye for influence had he still been alive. :rolleyes:
     
  13. Ray Finkle

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    Not a fan of Kanye anyway and while I don't think it's right what he did and I do feel bad for Swift, people in the media need to remember that this is a 'fake' award show, it's not like winning a 'moon man' is that big of a deal, it's not like it's an Emmy or Oscar. It's like when a pro sports figure wins an ESPY.
     
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  14. like2god

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    Because the butt wasn't visible? :confused2:
     
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  15. like2god

    like2god Typical white person Luxury Box

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    I like how folks think that rappers are talented :lol:
     
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  16. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    also who is Taylor Swift?
     
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  17. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    especially since you had already added some cardboard legs with a hole in it..........
     
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  18. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    pretty sure mozart wouldn't be looking to any modern music for influence. especially since he was a musical genius. :lol:
     
  19. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    Mozart wouldn't be looking for any musical inspiration if he were alive today, because Mozart wouldn't be in the music business.

    Not to break it down to the tired argument that has been played out on here countless times before, but I find it irritating that some people write rappers off as untalented, and find it impossible for their music to be consided a masterpiece.

    Why? Because you don't like that type of music? The fact remains that rap/hip hop is NOT a fad, it takes a good amount of skill to put together a decent to good song and that that brand of music, IS music, despite what a few in the vocal minority like to say.

    And I don't even like rap that much... :lol:
     
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  20. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    Bro...let me explain.

    No, it's not because I don't like it. I don't like some forms of music, but I can - as a musician - appreciate the musical talent that goes into making them. The key word is musical.

    Rapping does not requires one IOTA of musical talent. Basically, all you need is a beat to rap over. It DOES require the talent of being able to write the lyrics and rap them, but that is not a musical talent.

    Not in the effin' least.

    They are not singing, there's is no "key" for them to sing in. They're basically reciting poetry set to a beat, and no matter HOW you try to spin it, that's the facts.

    I've said this before...and I'll use it again in Kanye's case. Go up to him and ask him what key his latest hit is in. I'd be willing to bet a large sum of money he doesn't have a clue. Ask him to sing a minor 5th harmony over his lead vocal line...watch his head implode.

    I will never say that rappers don't have talent. But I will also never say that they have musical talent, because they don't. Has nothing to do with whether I like the genre or not.

    I hate country music, but some of them boys can play. It's as simple as that.

    And by the way...it's not "a few in the vocal minority". Maybe to the fans...but go talk to musicians and see what a different opinion you hear.

    Rap is HUGELY popular. Doesn't make it good. Doesn't make it a "masterpiece".

    If that's the case, then Hannah Montana and the Jonas Brothers are some of the most gifted musicians of our time.

    See how stupid that sounds? :wink2:
     
  21. like2god

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    Just adding to what Pagan said, most rappers have someone do their musical arrangements, sometimes they even lift the beat from an older song. Half the time I can't understand what the hell they're saying because it's a mumbled jumbled incoherent mess, but it isn't singing, it's basically talking. When you have a few guys in the background saying "oooohhhh" or "yeah yeah", that isn't singing or harmony, it's talking.
     
  22. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    Thats not true, I used to hang out with jazz musicians, all of them had an appreciation for rap.
     
  23. slickj101

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    So he gets credit bc there are bigger p***ies out there?


    I don't think complaining and throwing temper tantrums like a 5 year old should be looked at as a good thing.
     
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  24. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    Of course there are those that will have an appreciation for it. Doesn't mean what I said isn't true.
     
  25. unluckyluciano

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    in my opinion it is, as the majority I met had an appreciation for it. In fact I would say 90% of musicians I hung out with had no problem with it, listening to it.
     
  26. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    So you hang out with a demographic that does.

    That would be like me hanging out at the Democratic National Convention and saying that 90% of the people I hang out with think Obama's health reform is a good thing.

    I can say the same thing you did. Doesn't make you wrong. Neither am I.

    Aside from the fact that "having no problem with it" and "listening to it" does not mean they think rappers are talented musicians.
     
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  27. Samphin

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    As someone who plays both the guitar and the drums (because when talking about music, musicians ALWAYS feel the need to qualify that they are able to speak intelligently about it, so I guess I should do the same), I can honestly say that I have a ton of respect for anyone who can rap and do it well.

    Rapping over a beat still requires timing and while sampling happens often, a ton of original music has been developed form the hip hop community. If you take a rap outfit like Outkast, I think you would be hard pressed to not call those guys musicians. Granted they bounce in and out of the genre, but they are rappers nonetheless.

    I also don't buy the argument about having others cultivate the actual music. Yes, the Rick Rubins of the world exist, but so do the Dr. Dre's, Kanye West's, Jay-Z's and others who help produce and write, not only their own music, but others as well.

    And correct me if I'm wrong, but pretty much every rock band uses a producer, or a multitude of producers for the albums as well. Producers who make suggestions, change arrangements, etc. Should said musicians not be classified as such because of this?

    And another point, I don't quantify the success of rap based on record sales as your crack about the Jonas Brothers and Miley Cyrus suggests. Rap IS hugely popular...and hase been for close to 30 years at this point. So much so that it dominates most of the modern music charts, has its own categories for award shows and has changed pop culture forever. Rap has essentially, become what rock and roll was in its heyday. And yes, they have sold a ton of records on top of it. :wink2:

    Again, I am much more of a punk rock guy than anything else. I just find that the "rap is crap," argument is silly and seems to have a tinge of jealousy to it, more often than not. Not saying YOU are jealous, but when I hear of others who lambast it for not being an artform (i.e. music) and then follow it up with how they or others are more talented musically, it always sends out a red flag to me.

    Again, its not how I would have handled it, but there is a positive quality to what he does. I think I said it earlier, he reminds me of Milton Bradley in many ways. When Milton channels his anger and emotions into playing baseball, he is one of the better players in the league. When he lets his emotions get the best of him, he has an outburst that tends to make people look more at that, than the talent he has brought to the public.

    Same with Kanye. My biggest complaint would be that he is doing this over such a pile of poo award that it makes it look even worse. Honestly, what does it matter who takes home that oversized G.I. Joe anyway?
     
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  28. Fin D

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    I was just about to mention Outkast.
     
  29. Celtkin

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    Kanye was as classless as Beyonce was classy.

    Kudos to Beyonce for 1) Being embarrassed at the way Kanye acted and 2) Helping to right a wrong that she was not responsible for.
     
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  30. slickj101

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    If he wanted to make a statement about it then he should of waited till afterwards or he could of discussed it on Leno tonight anyways.

    Taking the mic from the girl who won and embaressing her like that was just stupid. That girl didn't do anything to deserve that and it definitely seemed like it was more about Kanye getting himself attention than speaking his mind.


    For the record, I was a Kanye West fan. His first 2 albums are solid and his producer skills are quality. But, he really fell off a cliff after his 2nd album and I don't see him ever rebounding.
     
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  31. Fin D

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    I also don't understand why a rapper can't be a musical genius, simply because they don't play instruments or know what key their song is in. Rap is just another genre of music. I'm sure Kanye couldn't pick up a guitar and produce a great rock song. I'm equally sure most rock musicians couldn't pick up a pen and produce a great rap song either.
     
  32. azfinfanmang

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    Well actually, that would be a dream come true if it ever happens

    PS: A really deep cliff with jagged rocks and Alligators at the bottom.....that's all :shifty:
     
  33. Section126

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    Kanye West continues his assclownishness.

    I hope THIS time it hurts his career. it is worth hurting.
     
  34. slickj101

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    These days, his audience consists of only those MTV people who watched that show.


    I think it's safe to say his career is fading.
     
  35. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    I never said I don't have respect for the form, and I didn't "feel any need". I was just stating my opinion from that perspective. Much like a doctor would base something on their experience in the field.

    So does hitting a baseball, running a pass pattern, and one-timing a slap shot. Doesn't make Sidney Crosby any more of a musician than it makes a rapper.

    I'll correct myself. I don't mean ALL. There of course will be some who do.

    When said musicians fail to pick up their instruments or let others play them, then yes, they should. And that's not why I said rappers weren't musicians. Read it again. I said they're not singing. Talking - even in rhyme - does not qualify one as a musician.

    Again, I never said it was crap. I said I don't view the artists as musicians. It IS an art form, they certainly ARE artists, and perform their craft well, but I can't call them musicians unless they actually sing or play their instruments.

    Show me a rap artist who does, and I will be the first to admit that they are musicians.

    Kanye West is not.
     
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  36. slickj101

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    Pagan, do you consider lead singers in bands "musicians" or are they just singers?
     
  37. Fin D

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    It seems you define being a musician as someone who plays an instrument or sings, right?

    So you're willing to call Brittney Spears a musician and not Dre. Dre, for example?

    I think making music makes one a musician, and how good they are at that decides how good of a musician they are.

    Rapping isn't really talking in rhyme, either.
     
  38. Silverphin

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    I like Kanye West, but that was a prick move on his part. And Beyonce has gain quite a bit of respect from me.
     
  39. unluckyluciano

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    In the context of music, it does. Especially for musicians. In fact I remember one even remarked how it got its roots to the jazz artists that used to do scat singing. :up:
     
  40. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    It depends on the singer. The guy working with us now knows musical theory. He adds layers of harmony vocals on top of his base vocal. He knows what he's talking about. Yes...he is.

    Read my answer to slick. Base the answer to this on that statement.

    And you're entitled to your opinion. :)

    Nor is it singing.

    Not necessarily. I loved the Ramones and the Sex Pistols. Do I consider them musicians? Not a chance. They were artists who barely could play their instruments, and made a statement doing so.
    Which - don't you think - would be a good reason why they liked it?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not just harping on rap. Believe me, my buddy InFlames will hate me for this, but I don't consider death metal singers musicians either.
     

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