Hmm...sounds like he has a new Oline coach who does not pay attention to details.... And to be honest, he was so concerned with his absurd looking kick slide he did not bother to punch Abraham, he high stepped backwards and kept his hands chambered but did not really strike a blow to the chest..
Not when it is the whole Oline Conu, the only guy who played even decently was Jake Grove, one player having an off game is understandable, the whole unit playing like their feet were in clay is a different issue.
I think he got caught with his pants down and his pride was hurt. He's probably never had a game like that and it embarassed and shell shocked him a bit. He did learn something that day; move on son. Get up and do ti right the next play and every play after that. Don't do too much, and stay within yourself. That's when anyone is at their best. He tried too hard after that at times. His kickslide was all over the place.
Yeah it was, when Jake starts "Wheeling" his kick slide he is in trouble, but even then as long as he uses his reach/punch/redirect he should have been okay but he generally did not do that Sunday. On an ironic note, back in 03 Freeney literally destroyed a Dolphins LT in the 4th qtr, it was pathetic, I'm not sure if that was Todd Wade or not, but he does historically do very well against the Phins. It was then rookie Wade Smith who Freeney just destroyed that night: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1652442
Actually Josh Cribbs led the AFC in 2007 (59 for 1,809 yards, 30.7 average yards) Ginn was 3rd alternate idk, just never been impressed with his consistency. Sure he has home run capabilities but in most cases, he's underwhelming.
I was on my Honeymoon when that game came on. I got the feed in the hotel room in Vegas. I was sooooo trashed. Ended up meeting a Maloof at the Palms and having a few drinks. Got comped, upgraded........
Hmm..then he may have led in Returns? But he did make the pbowl as a returner, so sticking him out on returns is not exactly a out of the blue move. He also had 3 return TD's called back on penalties in 07, last season he had one called back. And statistically speaking he has done better so far than OJ McDuffie did, but the thing of that is, McDuffie was on a better team, the 09 Dolphins need more production than the early 90's Dolphins did out of McDuff.
Wanny nearly had me at the "I quit" point with that game, but I hung until 04 and Wanny leaving and then Quit, never watched a single Nick Saban coached game until late in 06 then watched lil Nicky lie then quit. But Freeney and Mathis will be a great test for Carey and Long, that is the thing about this season, there are no breaks, every game there will be pressure. To be honest, if they keep surrending those 4 sack/10 pressure games, Pennington won't last the season, that is just common sense, and the more hits the more dings and Penny does not have a huge margin for decreased athletic performance.
Personally I would keep him at KR and throw rocks at him until he started running towards the end zone more, instead of the sideline. His problem is that he thinks he's still in college where he can beat everyone else to the edge....well that and he plays scared
I don't think they will. But another thing is once again we have new players along the front and another O-line coach. It has to stop. Many talk about Thomas as if he did actually play more than one game last year. He is incredibly raw and what I mentioned about him in the Keys happened, he got caught up with that punch and ended up flatfooted a few times. He has a lot of work to do, and we have a new center that many I think had the wrong idea about. And factor in the teams need to get Murphy some NFL snaps this preseason otherwise he is an unknown and you have a recipe for some issues. 40% of the line are second year players, one with now a whopping two games played in the NFL. I've said this before too; we did some very nice things out there as far as the O-line goes. We had issues, but we had some plays where we were very close to having everyone on the same page.
Good point about Thomas, he was compared to Brian Waters last season and Waters had virtual overnight success as a TE to G conversion. Throw in the fact that Smiley is coming back from a seriously broken leg and a new center and we really should not be surprised by their play so far. Another factor is we fell behind early and that allowed the Byrds to pin their ears back, the process sort of built on itself. As for Freeney and Mathis, they both are quality pass rushers, I think we will find out if Big Jake and Vern C are up to it or not.
Guys makes the pro bowl as a rookie he has a bad game against one of the best D-lineman in the NFL...and people are questioning whether he was the right choice for #1? Please give me a break!! He is 17 games into what we should hope is going to be a long career anchoring our line.
Rocks? Psshaw...just give P Cobbs a switch and have him chase Ginn upfield saying "this is how we did it in Texas"... Interesting thing though, Ginn's best returns are one cut and go affairs, that is when he breaks long ones.
good point. if we lose Ginn's speed we are screwed. also he doesnt have a problem going over the middle so while he may avoid taking a hit to get an extra yard he has no fear about going across the most dangerous part of the field
I thought he would be better in the long run. I thought Long has already reached his ceiling and his going to be a solid LT for years Clady reminded me of a player that might take a few years to come into his own looks like Clady has already settled in. But hey when your throwing 30 mil+ guaranteed at someone you want to be sure he isnt going to be a bust.
F'ed up with what???? He has done very well for what has been thrown at him. I will remind you that the offense we run really isnt suited for Ginn. Ginn spreads the field vertically the problem is he is the only vertical threat we have and why try and make him a possession when we have enough of those guys? Ginn=Homerun.
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...ersonification-of-the-difficult-schedule.html Was Jake Long a bad pick, lord I hope not because he is the guy I wanted us to pick. Is he being played to his strengths, not in my book. Am I saying the sky is falling, as far as Jake goes, NO I'm not. What I am saying is that the play calling and the proper use of our Offense is being misshandled. Which goes back to my feelings that Dan Henning is not the right person for our OC job. I will also state at this moment unless there is a change, in attitude, at the top Jake Long is in for a Bad season this year and so is our team! BTW the underuse of Ronnie Brown is getting to be the norm for this team. Does not anyone learn as this has been going on since Ronnie showed up. At least Cam learned after only two games, Satan never did and I fear Henning never will!
agreed. until ginn starts dropping 40 yard bombs that land right in his hands we cant label him a bust. of course if that actually happens I'll be thrilled because it will mean we have a QB who can hit a receiver 40 yds downfield
The hell it would, he could have a 1,200 yard, 10 TD season and I am pretty sure some people here would still not be satisfied. It's like the people putting first round expectations on Channing Crowder when he was really draftd in the third round because some "draft expert" said he could go in the first round. I know people expect big numbers from Ted Ginn and I understand that. I really don't know what else to tell you because I'm wasting my time trying to talk to you. You've clearly made up your mind so there's no point.
And yet you yourself seem so open minded..... If you don't have a real argument, or any points to make, why not just stay out of it? No need to get personal. And sorry but I don't remember asking you for your time. The ppl in these threads have a lot of differing opinions and we went at it for hours without it getting nasty. It can be done.....and there's a lot more to be learned from reading all the diff angles and points of view, than reading some crap about how bad we are for pickin on little Teddy.
What are you watching really? Of course its a contact sport, he does get tackled. But why take a hit when you don't need to? When you are not built to. Ask McNabb how smart his run in the game this past week was. Knowing when to fight for the extra yard is a smart player. Last year our little 180lb WR took on a 300lb lineman. If he was so chicken, would he have stuck his head in for that hit? No. Looking for the endzone has nothing to do with taking on 2-3 defenders. If you can't get an opening at his size, you don't try to run thru them. It's about avoiding the 2-3 defenders. Would you rather him lower his shoulder and because he is so small he puts the ball on the ground?
What you call playing scared, I call playing smart. He shouldn't act like he is a 220lb runningback. Getting one extra yard in a kickoff return is not worth him getting hurt.
it was a parcellian pick personally, I'd have gone with Ryan we shall see, the proof is in the playing FrontOffice make very few mistakes let's hope they didn't make a mistake
It was the right pick based on the knowledge the FO had at the time. It was the safest pick. Whether or not it is still the right pick can't be answered in full yet. Not till we see what we have in Henne. If Henne can be our QB of the future, then yes, it was the right pick. If not, and Matt Ryan continues to be a franchise QB then we will have made a "mistake." I put mistake in quotes because taking a QB that early is always high risk / reward so it's hard to call it a mistake given the fact that nobody can predict the future with any degree of certainty. But you always take a franchise QB. If the FO knew for sure Matt Ryan would turn into a franchise QB, they draft him. I made no secret about my desire for us to draft Matt Ryan. But I was and continue to be very happy with Jake Long.
This is how I tried to rationalize our pick to Jets fans, to no avail. If we have no LT, and Matt Ryan gets oblitereated ala Akili Smith or (gulp) John Beck, we're being criticized for not suring up our O-Line. It's a gamble, but if this regime had Henne rated anywhere close to Ryan pre-draft then going with the combo of Long/Henne is a smart move IMO. I realize that there was no guarantee Henne would be there, but alas he was. Also, the money we would have spent on a QB #1 would be astronomical, especially if he doesn't work out. FTR, I don't like that as an excuse, but it has to be in play if you're a GM.
Was Jake Long the right choice at #1? Well, the short answer is probably "no..." with reservations. Many don't want to believe that he's not going to play Left Tackle past this season. If you're in that camp, then you believe he was worth the pick and the enormous expenditure. But I do believe that at some point Long's weaknesses in pass-blocking on the left side will dictate a move to Right Tackle, where I think he will be tremendous - a monster for us both in the passing and running games in that position. And in that case...well, maybe. Maybe not. What if Long plays exceptionally well at RT for the next 10-12 years, helps us win championships and makes the Hall of Fame...is a future Hall-of-Fame Right Tackle worth an overall #1 pick - in hindsight? Of course he is. But generally speaking, a RT isn't usually considered in the top 5 draft positions because traditionally the position has been manned by maulers, guys whose size and bulk were counted upon to staunch non-primary pass rushers, and to muscle aside anyone in their path to open running lanes. But I believe that the renascence of the 3-4, combined with superior, larger athletes at Linebacker and in the Secondary, dictates that the RT have more athleticism and technique than was required in the past. Teams increasingly have more than one pass rusher in their base Defenses who can disrupt an Offense; it doesn't take a guru's power of observation to see how Vernon Carey struggled with the pass rush on his side, for example. And that was against Atlanta, whose D isn't all that. Another example: say you're playing Miami. With Jason Taylor on one side and Joey Porter on the other, don't you think you'd want to make sure you have a guy on the right side who can work well in space? Because throw in Phil Merling and Kendall Langford and your Guards aren't going to be available to help out much. And that's where the angry mob is losing its perspective: Jake Long doesn't have to be our franchise Left Tackle in order to have extreme value to us for years to come. No one is saying he's not a good player, or that he should be traded, nor cut, nor benched, nor confined to a gulag. Acknowledging a reality and accepting that he will still contribute heavily at the other Tackle spot isn't blasphemy - it might just be one of the final steps that make the Dolphins a championship contender, not just a playoff team. Assuming we can find a true, franchise Left Tackle. Was Long the right pick? Who would you have chosen? And if you say Ryan, you'd better have said the same before that draft, because the majority here and in the draftnik ranks were not convinced that he would be a franchise Quarterback. GMs don't have the luxury of hindsight, and you don't either in second-guessing the draft. Chris Long? I admit I still daydream about how different things would be if we had drafted Long to stand up in our D instead of seeing him struggle at DE for St. Louis. I'm on record as saying that I would have picked Chris at #1 in that draft. And if you ask me today, in hindsight, if I would still pick Chris over Jake...tough call. I think I would, though. The scenario in which Jake Long has a long and successful career at RT has a flip side: he could end up just being ordinary there. I don't really see it happening, but it could. And between the pass rusher and the good, non-LT OL at #1 overall...give me the pass rusher every time.
I never understood this argument. How does having one weakspot on the line ensure a batterred QB? If you have four solid starters and one weak one you can coverup for them even if its a left tackle. The only reason they should have picked Jake Long is if they thought he was better or if they thought they could get Henne in the 2nd round. My understanding was that was what they were thinking but Merling became available so they decided to take Merling over Henne. Then Lo and behold they got lucky and Henne was still available when the 2nd pick in the 2nd round came around. At the end of the day its not Long vs Ryan but Henne vs Ryan
personally before the draft, i had Clady rated higher then Long, and i was not a fan of Henne in college and felt like he would be a career backup. I also though Ryan was a 2nd round talent and that Andre Woodson was a good QB, so what the hell do i know? if i had to choose it today, i would take Ryan #1. Dorsey was my first pick, and Clady was my 2nd at draft time though. but after last year seeing Long play, Henne play some, reading everything about them, i fully expect to be proved wrong by both. Long had a rough preseason and 1 game and all the sudden everyone forgets last year, a pro bowl rookie campaign? Long is going to be a monster LT for years, please. ive seen Orlando Pace and Jonathan Ogden get beat. Anyone remember Ogdens game against Dwight Freeney and the colts? i think he gave up 4 sacks that night. Everyone has an off game, and everyone has someone out there that is a match up problem.
the entire offensive line sucked Grove was best in field & came up pathetic we may have witnessed their worst game of the season lot of expectation, money & work gone into this unit they have to produce or the season will be a disastrous I believe we will see a major improvement against the Colts and be in full stride by game four
