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No super bowl in the near future without QB

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  1. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I think ireland and parcells dropped the ball when they drafted jake long over matt ryan.Long to me looks very average at best in pass protection when facing top notch defensive ends.Last year he was good but I do not think he faced any really good pass rushers.
    Matt ryan on the other hand is looking like the real deal,and henne has not impressed me at all in preseason.I think atlanta is on the way up and we are on the way down.The teams that make the playoffs every year have one thing in common.,great qb play.Until we find a Qb we are only going to be an average team at best.
     
  2. LikeUntoGod

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    Deep..............
     
  3. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Jake Long looks average? He was outstanding last year, went to the pro bowl, sure he had a rough one against Atlanta, but he was great against Indy against one of the best pass rushers in the league in Dwight Freeney. Long was the safe pick, this regime builds from the inside out, without Long anchoring down the left side, matt ryan would have been killed on this team last year. Who would have played LT? Move Carey back over there? Sure... but there's a reason he was moved from there, and if you do move CArey to LT, who plays RT? Hmm...

    Easy to sit back now and say Ryan is great, we should have drafted him... but at the time, that's not so easy to do when you're looking to turn around a team that was god awful the year before. You can get a stop-gap QB like we did with Pennington easily, but its rare you get the chance to get a franchise LT. Sure a franchise QB is nice, but think about it, last year we were actually apparently content going into the season with McCown, Beck and... that other guy (I really don't remember) untill Pennington fell into our laps. It appears to me that it was always the intention of this FO to rebuild slowly, starting with the lines.

    Nobody really knows what we have in Henne yet. Give him some time to play in regular season games, and then we can decide if we have a QB in him or not.
     
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    He faced Terrell Suggs, Mario Williams, Calvin Pace, Shaun Phillips, and Richard Seymour last year and allowed a grand total of 2.5 sacks all of last year. He's fine. This year he's started with tough matchups of Freeney and Abraham and he bounced back well in his second game. Pace, Suggs and Williams I believe spoke highly of him last year to boot.
     
  5. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, but teams with great qbs win not left tackles.Who is matt ryans left tackle?I bet he did not make the pro bowl.Jake long was not even the best Lt in the draft.The kid clancy from denver was.
     
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  7. Anonymous

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    No, Jake Long is better than Ryan Clady. And till this day, I still think Jake Long was the best pick for us. Even over Matt Ryan.
     
  8. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I would rather have flacco or ryan over jake long.By the way if you guys paid attention during the game jake had help on freeney the whole game from smiley or fasno.Great left tackles do not need help.
     
  9. Boomer

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    Matt Ryan's left tackle is 1st rounder Sam Baker.

    You should have stopped writing when you said that Jake Long was "very average at best in pass protection". All your credibility went at that point.
     
  10. Anonymous

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    He didn't receive help all the time. On a few occasions, he did, but all tackles need it going against Freeney.
     
  11. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    By the way I just looked it up.Mario willams had 2 sacks in that game.And please do not give me calvin pace as this elite pass rusher.Against freeney he had help the entire game from smiley and fasano.Elite tackles do not need help.We need a QB to take it to the next level.
     
  12. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I never saw ogden from the ravens need help,or walter jones.He owned joey porter in the super bowl.
    Sam baker only started 7 games last year
     
  13. BuckeyeKing

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    Kinda of scratching my head saying not this **** again.


    Seriously we had this discussion 2 weeks ago.
     
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  14. Anonymous

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    Just let it go, dude, just let it go.
     
  15. cnc66

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    at least he isn't moving him to right tackle
     
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    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Although I agree with this statement I think you're being to critical when combined with your earlier statement. Do I believe Matt Ryan wouldve been better than Jake Long straight up.....yes. But we got lucky by having Henne available so what you're really looking at is Jake Long and Chad Henne vs Matt Ryan. If Chad Henne emerges as a franchise QB we made the right move. If Chad Henne fails we screwed the pooch. Still even if Chad Henne were to fail it wpouldnt be a complete bust situation. Left Tackles are hard to come by and even though Jake will never be the pass blocker Clady is, when you combine his run blocking abaility he'll always be a top ten left tackle. Think about it this way, we couldve done worse, we were considering Chris Long :lol:
     
  17. SICK

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    ya instead lets get in our delorean, go back in time....and draft ryan instead of long. sigh......
     
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  18. pumpdogs

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    I am done.I need to get back to my point.If we do not find a qb of the future tony,ireland,parcells will be out of here in 3 years.I do not like henne I thought he was overrated in college,and don't get me strated on the pat white pick.He will out of the league in 3 years.Come on bill find us a damm QB.
     
  19. SICK

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    so all your points are based on long....who has played 19 or so games. henne who hasnt played any games, nor white...........but you say they all are garbage.

    good to meet you nostradomus !
     
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  20. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    careful you might punch a hole in the wall again
     
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  21. Stitches

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    Henne actually played in AZ last year and led us down for a TD. :up:

    I know what you're getting at though. :hi5:
     
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  22. BuckeyeKing

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    How many games is enough to evaluate a QB?
     
  23. CashInFist

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    Maybe I am the only person on the planet that feels this was but I think Matt Ryan sucks. He has one of the best WR's in the NFL in Roddy White and has one of the best running attacks in the NFL also. Not to mention he has Tony Gonzales.

    IDK, I don't see that kid ever winning a Super Bowl. His arm strength is not super like Marino/Elway/Favre, and his accuracy is no where near that of a Joe Montana/Tom Brady/Peyton Manning. What is it people see in Matt Ryan to make people think he is going to be an NFL Legend some day?
     
  24. Anonymous

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    Nah, I think Matt Ryan will eventually end up as a top 10 QB, if he isn't one right now. But, I still say Jake Long is better than him, and I'm glad we picked him.
     
  25. CashInFist

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    How so? What exactly is so great about Matt Ryan? The hype? Because that is all I have ever seen.
     
  26. SICK

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    roddy white wasnt "one of the best nfl WRs" until ryan got there coincidence?....gonzalez never made great QBs out of the mediocre ones hes played with in the past.....

    ryan is def. a real good quarterback imo
     
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  27. adamprez2003

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    he's got a 108 QB rating this year and its only his 2nd year. Seriously what dont you see in his game?
     
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  28. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    Exactly

    He's actually the best young talent at QB to be drafted in years....
     
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  29. CashInFist

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    Roddy White was a rookie before Ryan got here, most great WRs break out in year 3. Guess what year it was when Matt Ryan got there. IMO, Roddy White carried Ryan his rookie season, and imo Roddy White is the best current WR in the NFL.

    Tony Gonzales doesn't make QBs look good? ROFLMAO...he made Tyler freakin' Thigpen look like a world beater last season! :lol:

    Again, what is it that people think is so special about Matt Ryan?
     
  30. bbqpitlover

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    I will be honest I was a huge supporter in Miami drafting Matt Ryan buy many argued he would never be a decent Nfl QB and so far has proven them all wrong. Now the Jake Long issue, I must say yes we passed on Ryan but we didn't do so bad for ourselves with Jake Long. I really like the way he rebounded against the colts that shows me maturity and skill.
    I do not see Long as a bust but as a great asset to the dolphins, besides Miami has a first round pick on the team that lacks maturity, concentration and has been a bust, but I'm not gonna mention his name so this conversation don't turn into a post about him.
     
  31. CashInFist

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    IDK, like I said I'm sure I am in the VERY tiny minority with my opinion. I just don't see the arm strngth or accuracy the great ones had. Maybe I psychologically want to see him fail? :lol: I doubt that...but I just don't see it.
     
  32. CashInFist

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    Jason Allen? :wink2:
     
  33. adamprez2003

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    well i probably wrote ten thousand pages worth of posts on the guy last year :lol: but in a nutshell yes you're right he doesnt have the best arm you'll ever see or the best accuracy you'll ever see. but he has a good arm and good accuracy, good mobility, very good pocket presence, great intelligence, fantastic intangibles (that elusive "it" factor) prototype body, football smarts, good character. basically he can do everything well and in a few areas he's outstanding
     
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  34. BuckeyeKing

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    Woa lets calm down now.
     
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  35. brandon27

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    Have you seen/heard of Larry Fitzgerald?
     
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    One of those sacks were credited to Long but was not his fault IIRC.

    Calvin Pace is not an elite pass rusher but he's a quality one who had seven sacks last year.

    And he did not have help the entire game. Some parts of it he did but entire game? No.

    Then you didn't watch him a couple years ago against Dwight Freeney when Freeney was manhandling him.
     
  37. CashInFist

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    So you think he has the "It" factor basically? I can understand that. I'll admit I haven't seen alot of games of his yet, maybe 5 or 6. I was being a little dramatic when I said he sucked, but I don't see him being as good as say Ben Roethlisberger. I think Big Ben is about 2x the QB Matt Ryan is. Big Ben is one tough dude, IMO.

    Compared to Jake Long, Matt Ryan sucks. That's what I should have said.
     
  38. CashInFist

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    Larry Fitzgerald or Calvin Johnson are the only other 2 I would put in Roddy White's league. Calvin may be a little more raw though.

    Also, Kurt Warner > Matt Ryan.
     
  39. BuckeyeKing

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    Andre Johnson
    Anquan Boldin
    Randy Moss
    Santonio Holmes
    Calvin Johnson

    Just to name a few.
     
  40. Stitches

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    While I agree Ryan is a very good Qb when considering it is his 2nd year, I have to disagree with White not being very good until Ryan got there. The year prior to Ryan's arrival White had 80+ catches for 1,200 yards and 6 TDs. His numbers were nearly the same with Ryan, and it is tough to say whether his slight statistical improvement was because of Ryan, his extra year of experience, or just some combination of the defenses he played against, etc.
     

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