Ted Ginn had a great game against the Bills...with 1 catch

he didn't cut inside looking for contact, he cut inside because one of the Bills DB's was in front of him. Horrible read on his part.

 

it could be. and it could have helped. sure. but i dont think ginn should get the credit for setting up two scoring drives.....the coaches called the play anyways.

i just dont see how anyone could say ginn had a great game yesterday

 

i wouldn't say its great. can't deny that even when he seems to disappear he seems to have somewhat of an impact. and I would give him credit for cobbs returns. I saw them biting on it pretty well.

 

so cobbs ran the ball. other guys blocked. the coaches called the play. and ginn gets credit? ok.

and IMO he had no impact on the game.....we win by a big margin with or without his decoy abilities, and 4 yard reception, and 22 yard run.......

and imo the play itself got them to bite, not the player.....put rick, ronnie, hartline or bess in ginns spot for that fake reverse and they bite on it as well....

 

i never said complete impact. dont put words in my mouth please.

 

i said he had no impact on the game....how was that putting words in your mouth?

 

Good stuff......I agree

I think from now on we have no number one WR and that Ginn will resume his ST role and just be part of the WR "group" we have.....mostly to get Hartline more snaps. It looks as tho he and Henne have a connection going.

 

i meant about the credit. sorry. mistyped. I never said he deserved full credit. I would say he deserves some. You are trying to say i am giving him complete credit I think.

 

i quoted you saying "ginn gets credit for cobbs return" next time specify if you want him to get full or half credit so i know silly

 

It could have helped... I mean, the 2-3 guys that hesitated when the fake handoff occured and the 1-2 guys that actually started to chase him MAY have helped Cobbs gain an extra 10-15 yards when returning.

I don't think Ginn had a great game (or good game, for that matter), but the only reason why Cobbs got beyond the 20 yard line on his kick returns was those fake hand offs to Ginn.

 

i agree the PLAY caused that.......like i said earlier.....put bess, hartline, ricky, ronnie or camarillo in ginns same spot faking the hand off for reverse and guys will bite a little bit....its natural reaction.

but i agree he didnt have a great game.

 

i thought it was obvious what I meant stoopid.

 

right should have read your mind that you were only giving him minimal credit not full credit......my fault

 

The bold part makes no sense. one of the bills DBs was in front of him. That implies you choose another path.

He gets 22 yards and people are complaining. That is so rich. That is like complaining Ronnie sucks, because he had nothing but green in front of him, and yet he still got caught from behind (which is true).

I have this right in front of me. He has the DB in front of him, just like you say. If he tries to go outside and that DB forces him wide to the outside, I guarantee you the complaint was that he didnt' head inside to follow his blocker because he's a sissy.

 

dan marino called him out on cutting it inside also.....i guess hes just making stuff up too?

 

just ****ing with you doode don't get all pissy.

 

not even close to pissy

 

yeah whatever

 

so hartline catching a td, scoring, and actually having a first-hand impact on the game is being compared to someone getting a hand off faked to them? seriously..........wow

fine. but this isnt a "bess had a great game" thread...if it was, id disagree with that also

 

like i said, the play caused it....not the player. it was a good play call by the coaches.

insane reach to say he had a "great" game padre. sorry. not close. he wasnt directly responsible for us scoring any points, or doing anything to lead to points. he made no impact. we win without ginn even suiting up yesterday.

no way he had a great game. bess didnt either. or camarillo. or fasano. but this is a thread specifically for ginn. so thats what iam discussing.

 

I'd put that Hartline TD on coaching more than on Hartline. You know the Bills were expecting run at that point, anyone could have made that catch...

 

I think it's the word "great" that got em all riled up padre...lol

Ginn showed up.....he did some things for us. He wasn't Ted Ginnvisible yesterday.

I'm glad to see him back on ST's...

 

think its a good thread padre, i'd like to see more from ginn but he had a positive impact yesterday. if he can't get something comfortable with henne then he'll be gone after this season, i think they will learn each others tendencies/strengths/weaknesses and by week 10 or 12 this argument is moot cause they're lighting it up, i'm an optimist yo.

 

look iam hoping ginn lights the world on fire with henne the rest of the year......i really do.

but to say he had a great game yesterday is laughable. the dude has 140 some yards, no tds and 5 drops in 4 games. gimme a break. how can anyone defend that!?!?

 

Yeah, I wouldn't go that far...

In the last two games, Ginn has dropped more passes than he has caught....and we ALL know what happened last time it was thrown to him in the endzone

 

Ginn will not be gone after this season, no way.

He signed a 5 year contract in 2007, the earliest he's gone is after the 2010 season, IMO.

 

Oh give me a break, Hartline didn't have a defender draped on him... those two passes shouldn't even compare.

 

and a fake hand off that resulted in 9 more yards than the average should be compared to a caught touchdown pass?!!?!??! comon mat

 

I'm just saying, Ginn has plenty of drops already. To say it was coaching and Ginn wouldve made the same play isn't accurate at all.

 

ginns game against the colts was his best game this season imo

 

You think

Outside of that game he has exactly (Drumroll please) 3 catches for 40 yards