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The Patriots are just plain classless and I wish them nothing but bad will.

Discussion in 'AFC East Rivals' started by Dorfdad, Oct 18, 2009.

  1. anditsgood

    anditsgood Active Member

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    do tell


    :lol:
     
  2. Crappy Tipper

    Crappy Tipper AKA Hero13

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    You also have to remember our failures at running the ball from a traditional formation between the tackles last season. I think the wildcat sustained drives and acted as a run play to keep the clock burning.

    I see your point 100% but I think last season the wildcat was used out of necessity when we needed a consistent ground game.
     
  3. anditsgood

    anditsgood Active Member

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    but you werent running it just as your running play, you ran it to win the game/division/etc
     
  4. Crappy Tipper

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    That's true, but if we had a running game like Ricky Williams circa 2002-03 I don't think the wildcat ever would have evolved last year because they needed that innovation to succeed where we had significant shortcomings.
     
  5. anditsgood

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    no

    you were coming off a 1-15 year and with a less than average offense, you needed a trick play or two to gain an advantage, and you found one that worked very well

    so well in fact, other teams have copied it
     
  6. like2god

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    Sure, but the scoreboard said 4th quarter when they ran the play. Should the Dolphins have said "well, we're up by more than 2 TD's and it's the 4th quarter, lets stop running the WC and go to our base offense so as not to offend the Pats"?

    Answer: of course not. It's football, if a team can't stop you in a situation like that then it's their problem. In the Pats case, they didn't do anything wrong against the Titans. If you want to talk about the Pats running up the score during their 16-0 season, then I'll be right there with you. Noone hates the Pats more than I do, but in this case (Titans) they didn't run up the score, the Titans were lifeless.

    I didn't think I was, I was just pointing out what I see as a double standard with some of our fans. It's okay for a Joey Porter to run his mouth and be disrespectful to opponents, but if someone does it to us they're a punk and a loudmouth. The same applies here IMO.

    Right, I remember our struggles well. But if the bar is going to be set high for other teams from a Miami fan perspective, shouldn't they hold the Phins to the same level of sportsmanship? That's all I'm saying here, I don't think Miami was wrong for running the WC against the Pats and I don't think that the Pats did anything wrong in this instance. :wink2:
     
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  7. Crappy Tipper

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    How is what you said different? I said if we had a good offensive line that could run block we wouldn't have needed the wildcat. We wouldn't have needed that "trick" play advantage.

    brother, the patriots could put out a burning church and I would still find a way to think they did it wrong. :lol:

    I love to see Miami held to a high degree of sportsmanship on and off the field.
     
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  8. like2god

    like2god Typical white person Luxury Box

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    At least you're honest about it :pointlol:

    Me too brother :hi5:
     
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  9. TiP54

    TiP54 Bad Reputation

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    I have two problems.
    Running no huddle with under two minutes to go while being up by 35.
    Coming out of half with your starting QB being up by 45, still throwing the ball. Is it illegal? No, perfectly legal. But throwing the ball while being up by 45? I dont see the need. Yes, i know its football, you play to win the game (Thanks Herm) and its the other guyses job to stop you. Bu why? Why come out and throw? Because they can?
     
  10. Stringer Bell

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    If I were down 45-0, I would want the other team to pass.

    Even in 2007, I had no problem with them doing what they did. Going for it on 4th down is the complete opposite of running the score up - you are giving the opponent an opportunity.
     
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  11. jdang307

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    So is scoring. You can steal signs in baseball and it's considered bush. Is baseball a classier game than Football? There is nothing illegal about scoring. Just like you say there is nothing illegal about getting tapes and deciphering it.

    Me and bellicheat have the same philosophy. Win. The leader of our team, Parcells, has a legacy of no class. He burned the Falcons to get to us. This game is cut throat. Brady was pulled midway through the 3rd quarter. After one drive.

    Sparano during the preseason said he wanted to play Henne one series before the half, go through halftime then start the second half. Just to see how he performs. Brady has been inconsistent all year. I'm his coach, lets see if he's still got it after a 15 minute break. He was good. Then he gets pulled. If it was Miami and they were playing the Jets would you be calling Sparano classless? Most would probably say exactly what I just said.

    Again, they weren't playing Brady in the 4th quarter. It's only a question of class if there is pity for the losing team. Tenn is full of a bunch of grown mean all making more than 99.5% of the country. No pity from me.
     
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  12. jdang307

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    He said it. They were going through their game plan. They just lost to Denver last week and look like a team on the downfall. We created and participated in threads that Brady has been brought down to earth! They were 2-2. Brady is done. Bellichick is done. Their dynasty is done.

    Again, we may be discounting how important that first drive of the 2nd half is. How many times have we seen a team play like monsters the first half, and mice the second? Look at San Diego and Denver today. Bellichick is a good coach. He probably wants to see how Brady comes out after 15 minutes of sitting around after a historic 2nd quarter. He could have came out and thrown 2 INTs.
     
  13. Pauly

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    Just watched the highlights again.

    It would have been hard not to pass for 5 TDs in the 2nd quarter when the Tennessee defence decided that covering receivers was an optional extra-curricular activity they'd rather not do. There was only two TD passes in that entire game that made me think that Brady and Co are back. Lots of wounded ducks to uncovered receivers.
     
  14. TiP54

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    See, I guess we just gotta agree to disagree. Are you trying to tell me that they came out throwing the ball in 2nd half because media and other teams were critiquing them? I can understand the arguement of NOT coming out flat in 2nd half, and executing your game plan. But they were up by 45. Brady put up FIVE TDs in 2nd Q alone. Throwing for one more wont change anything. And yes, there have been some good comebacks in the NFL. but not from being down by 45. Not an 0-5 team. I truly don't get everybody worshiping Brady again. Yes, he has looked pedestarian. The fact that they put up 50 points vs 0-6 Titans doesn't impress me as much, because it is the Titans. Yes, they are a pro team and blah blah blah...But they are bad, really bad.
     
  15. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    See I'd rather they run the ball to burn the clock. Passing only extends the game.
     
  16. Jeffrey

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    I agree with everything the original poster said. I cannot stand the NE franchise. From top to bottom.
     
  17. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No, they did not start Brady in the 2nd half because of the media. I was using the media reports of Brady to illustrate the fact (Since I don't watch all of his games) that he was not yet firing on all cylinders. There is a thread 5 down from this one titled "Tom Brady coming back down to earth."
    http://forums.thephins.com/showthread.php?t=39130

    I am not strongly making a comeback argument. But so far, my all world QB has not looked all world until the 2nd half today. I want to see him just a little longer. You just got the wheels running again after 2 years! He only came out for one series. Just one. Nobody is worshiping Brady again. He was already the best (IMO, I know others like Peyton).

    We can agree to disagree. I just don't find this to be so egregious. They ran up the score in 2007 plenty of times. I'm not saying Belichick is a saint. He's a POS. But I just feel in this particular case, it wasn't the case. He lifted Brady after one series in the 2nd half. I'm a genius coach I'm probably doing the same thing.

    I wish them nothing but bad will just for the fact that they now slipped into first frakking place
     
  18. TiP54

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    I don't understand why media has anything to do with anything, or another thread for that matter. Yes, he has been playing average over past 5 weeks, we know that.


    Im not exactly sure what you are trying to say here.

    Im not saying that they were running up the score, this or that. I was just stating that I dont find it necessary to come out with your starting QB in place, and throwing the ball, while being up by 45 at half, thats it :)
     
  19. jdang307

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    I was just using the media as circumstantial evidence that Brady hasn't been playing all-world lately like he was before the injury. As I didn't watch all 5 Pats games, I couldn't comment directly :)

    It wasn't necessary, I agree with you there. I never thought for a second they needed Brady out there. They just wanted him out there. Every coach has their plan. Again, I point to our own Sparano:

    Of course there were not a lot of adjustments to be made on their behalf, but Fisher is a good coach, maybe Bellicheck wanted to see Brady handle their adjustments, which turned out to be none, but that's besides the point.

    Was it necessary? no. Was it objectionable? I don't think so. And I think we've reached the end of our discussion, or close to it.:hi5:
     
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  20. Jeffrey

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    jdang.....are you a Patriots fan?
     
  21. TiP54

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    Im not about get in to argument with a fellow Fin fan, over what Patriots did :hi5:
     
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  22. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm not going to dignify your insulting question with an answer. I'll just repost some of my statements in this very thread in the hopes that you can answer it yourself.



     
  23. jdang307

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    Of course not. It was a friendly discussion, a debate perhaps. :pointlol:
     
  24. Jeffrey

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    You missed my sarcasm. Wasn't trying to insult you sir.
     
  25. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    I hate the Patriots because they have Tom Brady check the box next to
    "Male" instead of "Female" on his tax forms and we all know that simply isnt true.




    Keeping thinking that. as Ronnie Brown said

    "we're all afraid of what we dont understand"
     
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  26. anditsgood

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    are you insinuating the phins would have won the division without the wildcat and/or they are(were) the same team (offense threat) without it?
     
  27. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    The Dolphins only ran the wild cat 90 times last season, it was around 8% of our offense. Could we have had the same results last year? I dont know, but it certainly did help us since we had a weak interior line.

    The wildcat certainly helped but to think its all we ran is just foolish, and its no trick as you are calling it.

    There really is nothing gimmicky about it.
     
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  28. anditsgood

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    when it came out, of course it was a trick play-everyone called it-even the media pundits, but now its becoming more mainstream, will it stay, no one can truly answer that honestly


    and i dont thnk anyone, especially me, have said thats all you ran......

    but to deny what it did for you team is purely silly, considering when the phins used it in the first match up between the pats and phins, that win alone, gave the phins the edge in the division
     
  29. TiP54

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    anditsgood

    It's a football formation, whats the problem? Like Ronnie said, we are taking the Chad Johnson approach to this; "Don't like me dancing - keep me out of the endzone" Don't like it - stop it. You know what's coming. Its a legit football formation, everybody is trying to copy it, but we are the only ones who run it succesfully. Its like me telling Patriots using shotgun, because they do it better than anybody else. stoopid.
     
  30. Jeffrey

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    What team are you a fan of?
     
  31. anditsgood

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    does it really matter?
     
  32. Frumundah Finnatic

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    I never denied it was an important part of our offense and it still is, but we had more going for us than the WC last year.
     
  33. FinSane

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    its called the single wing. it is a basic play from the earliest days of the NFL. Even Shula used to run a version of the wildcat/single wing.

    Anyone who still thinks its a gimmick doesnt know jack about football.
     
  34. anditsgood

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    of course its a football formation, just like any other trick/gimmick plays....


    like i said, all football pundits called it a trick play/gimmick when it first came out, and its becoming more mainstream, whether it sticks around, we will see...
     
  35. TiP54

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    So offset I, trips, bunch and so on...trick/gimmicks?
    :lol:
    Your logic is fool proof buddy.

    Everything that is new will be labeled a sa gimmick, because nobody else could think of it. Wildcat is only spreading.
     
  36. unluckyluciano

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    you say it was a trick play or two when its a formation where various plays are ran out of it . its far from a few trick plays.
     
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  37. HardKoreXXX

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    Are we talking about the Shotgun, West Coast or Wildcat offense?

    And no, "any other trick/gimmick play" is not a formation. The flea flicker and reverse are not formations, they are plays that can be run out of any offensive formation.
     
  38. opfinistic

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    Peeking in Nabo's Basement
    LMAO Andits is stirring the pot!
     
  39. Jeffrey

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    I think he's a Patriots fan.
     
  40. anditsgood

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    you would be thinking correctly...


    but where did this turn from a pats are evil because they scored on the hapless titans to dolphins thread

    lol

    back to the original idea of this thread

    is it the pats fault tha the titans absolutely quit on thier coach?

    remember the weather was absolutely horrible
     

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