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A different look at the Dolphins Saints game.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by gafinfan, Oct 23, 2009.

  1. gafinfan

    gafinfan gunner Club Member

    The Saints are 5-0 while we are 2-3, based on that fact alone we should lose, right? Not so fast, let’s take a look at the games we both have played against common foes. The Jets and the Bills, with the Saints next game against the Falcons, but more on that later.

    The Saints beat the Bills 27-7 and we beat the Bills 38-10; the Saints beat the Jets 24-10 and we beat the Jets 31-27. Notice in both games we scored more points against these two common opponents. A small note concerning the scores, some here are separating the offensive points from the defensive points scored by us yet are not doing the same concerning the Saints. If you take away the two defensive scores against the Jets by NO then you have a 10 – 10 tie yet taking away the one defensive score we had against the Bills would still leave the score 31-10. What I’m saying here is that if you compare these two games we win by a greater score difference of a + 4 offensive points yet you add in the defensive scores and the difference becomes a – 3 points. Going by points alone we out scored the Saints by 18 points against these two common foes.

    This all points to several things imho:

    1. We have a good chance to win this game if we play our type of FB.
    2. We must play error free and it would help if we get one or two turnovers.
    3. We have to keep everything in front of us against the Saints passing game.
    4. And we win the TOP

    Just a side note concerning the Saints Jets game.

    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009100409/2009/REG4/jets@saints

    We can not let this happen or we will surely lose this game. Also take note that the Jets held the Saints to only 3 points in the first quarter, we must score first and it must be a TD in the first quarter.

    I think we have a great chance to beat the Saints as long as we stay focused, don’t turn the ball over, and play our game.

    ** I wonder if the Saints aren’t looking ahead to the Falcons since they are the next team the Saints play after us.
     
  2. Jeffrey

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    Great post gafinfan. I agree 100%.
     
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  3. krypto

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    We outscored them by 18 and we gave up 20 more points also.
     
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  4. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well, Sunday will also be humid with a chance of the infamous late afternoon monsoon hitting during the game.

    I believe Sparano and the Staff hit their stride last week, or maybe against the Bills or Chargers.

    HC Sparano will find a way to win this ballgame, and I really hope that monsoon hits as we are honoring the 1982 AFC Champion Dolphins this weekend, AJ Duhe can give JT some pointers on playing in the mud..:yes:
     
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  5. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Good post.

    You have to hope that the Saints were more geared up for the Giants and will relax a bit after that big win.

    That said, Brees apparently hasn;t forgotten that Miami has passed on him twice (once in the draft and again when he wanted to come here in Free Agency). He may prove to us that we made a mistake. I hope he isn't extremely highly motivated to beat us (well, more motivated than he ALREADY always is to win).

    For us to win, imo, our pass rush has to get into his head and shake him up early. Very early. Like 1st Quarter we have to swarm him, hit him, smack him, tip balls and make him uncomfortable in the pocket.
     
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  6. dolfan7171

    dolfan7171 Well-Known Member

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    This will be an interesting game no doubt. I hope we can will convincingly, not just barely.
     
  7. BrazForPhins

    BrazForPhins From south

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    Good post.

    Wait for the media to be all over the phins next week if we beat the Saints.
     
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  8. Jeffrey

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    Let the blood spill.
     
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  9. HolySmokes

    HolySmokes New Member

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    That's an interesting breakdown. I haven't seen that yet. And I'm not going to try to counter with an alternate breakdown.

    I've said here before that this game could go either way. You guys have a really good team and a couple of fantastic running backs.

    That said, I'd like to make a couple of points:

    *The Saints are not looking past the Dolphins. True Atlanta is the more meaningful game and a loss to the Phins has no bearing on tie-breaker scenarios. BUT, Sean Payton has come out publicly saying he thinks you guys will win the division and are a VERY tough opponent. Plus Atlanta is nipping at our heels in the division race. We can't afford to overlook anyone.

    And that's a good for you, because if you guys win, you'll have earned it.

    *I'm not sure this breakdown is all that meaningful frankly for three reasons: 1. I'd expect you to play your divisional oppenents with greater "point success" than us. Familiarity goes a long way. 2. The Saints have continually improved each week and are playing at a really high level. 3. Matchups. It's all about matchups. In this game, our defense versus the wildcat; our offense versus your safeties. And I feel good about both.

    *The Giants win was not an "emotional" win. A big and important win, yes. But not emotional. The Saints will be up for the Phins.

    As always, I respect your team and think it's going to be a great game. And probably closer than I'm comfortable with. :)
     
  10. ATLFINFAN

    ATLFINFAN Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I feel comfortable with our offense, the wildcat in particular, against your D. BUT.......I am scared to death of your O. against ANY D. right now. Our D. hasnt figured it all out yet, BUT...........you never know.
     
  11. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    a good team always plays to win
     
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  12. HolySmokes

    HolySmokes New Member

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    True. Reminds me that Herm "YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME" Edwards picked you guys.

    You're getting some media love.
     
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  13. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Mr.HolySmokes:

    think of this not as a 100 meter race but a 400 meter relay:
    1) offense
    2) defense
    3) special teams
    4) game plan & coaching
    & you have to participate in another country to run the race

    think about it

    P.S. love the city of New Orleans, great food & endless entertainment; fun town, filled with friendly people.
    24/27-Miami :up: not so bad!
     
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  14. HolySmokes

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    Um ok. You got me on that. I'm not sure what point you're making. If you're saying this is more than just wildcat and Drew Brees, I agree. Our special teams have been the most inconsistent phase of our team.

    As far as game plan and coaching, I guarantee Sean Payton and Gregg Williams will be ready like Eisenhower and McArthur. Now player execution, that's another thing.

    Land Shark will be a challenge, no question, though obviously we've been pretty good on the road.

    Anyway, we'll see tomorrow won't we? :up:
     
  15. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Eisenhower and McArthur were never on the same page
    directing two completely different theaters of WW-II
    fighting against different countries & enemies
    requiring very different approaches to combat & winning
    kind of like coaching two different teams in the NFL

    you face a UnitedFront when you come to Miami
    everyone is on the same page & very motivated


    your defense & special teams
    have been weighed, measured & found wanting

    you need 3 of the 4 to win & 3 of the 4 are suspect

    just maybe that's your Achilles' heel :yes: they're not on the same page

    we will see tomorrow.
    I'm sure the game will live up to every expectation:
    24/27-Miami:dolphin:
     
  16. HolySmokes

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    Ok. The Eisenhower/McArthur thing wasn't meant to be taken quite that literally. But whatever.

    I won't talk smack on another team's board. So good luck tomorrow.
     
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  17. Jeffrey

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    Thanks. I don't wish you any luck.
     
  18. HolySmokes

    HolySmokes New Member

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    We won't need it. :up:
     
  19. Disnardo

    Disnardo Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I agree that we need to get to Brees and disrupt his rithym...

    but Brees is lifetime 0-3 against the Dolphins (when with SD) and has a 65% completion, 2 TDS, 5 INTS and a 5.4 YPA against them, can also add he has a career 65 QBR...

    now I know he has the weapons that can hurt you, but I hope this Defense will keep them under control, and can get Brees with a new record out of here...that being 0-4...:up:
     
  20. Conuficus

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    I say we just match our average of 81 yards per game rushing in the first half, and then let the chips fall where they may. If we get at half what the Saints give up for the game, then it will be an interesting game.
     
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  21. HolySmokes

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    That's interesting. I didn't know that. Just curious, are there any guys on defense from then?
     
  22. Jeffrey

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    You know whats interesting? I saw the entire game last week between the Saints and the Giants. Brees has a big flaw, but I'm not going to mention it now. I'll come back after the game and let you know what it is. I have a feeling that I won't need to tell you after the game though.

    Everyone bleeds now.
     
  23. PhinsRock

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    Welcome to our home HolySmokes, here's hoping for a good game by both teams, no injuries, and a Dolphins win. :up:

    Hope you come visit us again, you seem like a nice fella and a good sport. I do love me some New Orleans, always enjoyed the city and the people.
     
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