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The Ted Ginn really stinks thread...!

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by 54Fins, Oct 25, 2009.

  1. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    i am officially off the ted gin jr band wagon. i've been sticking up for him for too long. i just hate giving up on a dolphins player. i feel like its like turning your back on a family member. But i've seen the light after the saints game. i wouldn't mind getting rid of him. maybe he would be a good slot wr but we already have a couple of wr's that are pretty good at that. i say we trade him and draft a wr in the 1st round next year.
     
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  2. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    i've been meaning to bring this up for a while now. it hilarious. i've been wondering the same thing. maybe he needs a bigger helmet. LOL
     
  3. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ginn is an example of why Parcells doesn't like to use high picks on receivers. Too big a gamble.
     
  4. krypto

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    Nor can he block. Everyone keeps saying Gibril Wilson played "patty cake" with Shockey for 20+ yards. You wanna see "patty cake", watch Ginn block on a run play. :pity:
     
  5. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Ginn isn't the type of WR many FO people would take early. His inconsistency shouldn't negate future decisions about the position IMO.

    Dez Bryant for example is not like Ginn at all aside from both being playmakers in college. Same with Benn, LaFell, etc.

    Golden Tate has similar size to Ginn, but plays nothing like him.

    Each player deserves a different evaluation. I don't want blanket decisions about a position's worth because of one player.
     
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  6. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    Miami trying to make a play maker out of a guy that possesses nothing more than straight line speed...........deserves a BIG "c'mon man". That idea has never looked any better than it does right now. Other than being fast, there's really not much to him as a receiver.

    This isn't a bash on Ginn, it's saying hey FO ........"WAKE UP!"
     
  7. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    All-time classic post. I laughed for about three minutes straight. :lol: :up:
     
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  8. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Also true. Since he's not even returning kicks well, Ginn is basically useless right now.
     
  9. Jeffrey

    Jeffrey Banned

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    Lobster claw is my new favorite saying.
     
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  10. bigbry

    bigbry Huge Member

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    Playing quarterback for the Dolphins is so easy a caveman could do it.
    Sorry, it just reminds me of a caveman.
     
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  11. like2god

    like2god Typical white person Luxury Box

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    I'm not sure how long you've been reading Miami Dolphin forums, but that wasn't the argument coming from Ronnie bashers. They would say that he played soft, that he couldn't find a hole to run through if his life depended on it, that he couldn't break a tackle, etc, etc, etc. Things that anyone who watched Ronnie throughout his pro or college career knows is total trash and only posted to get a rise out of people who like him.

    I see alot of parallels now with Ginn, some of the same folks, saying the same things and doing it at every opportunity just like they did before. In alot of ways it's not the quality that we expect on this site, maybe the old site lets that sort of thing go, but it irks me when it happens here. I think we're better than other sites, we should hold ourselves to a higher standard. Not liking a player and giving facts and a well thought out post to back it up is great, just posting one-liners and ignoring facts is low class posting IMO. We don't moderate opinions, just the way those opinions are expressed. So if people want to voice their displeasure with Ginn, feel free, but don't take good threads off-track or post baiting comments only meant to get a rise. That isn't directed towards you, just a general comment that fits this conversation.

    I never said he shouldn't be held accountable for his mistakes, I just find it irrational for some people to lay this loss and the Colts loss directly at his feet when so many other areas of this team imploded. Again, that's where the "whipping boy" description comes in, no matter what happens Ginn will be the one tossed under the team bus.

    I don't consider myself wrong at this point, he still has talent and this was the first year (actually 2 games) in which he's been used properly. Anyone who was expecting him to be a Randy Moss or Terrell Owens based on his draft position hasn't been paying attention to Miami Dolphins football. First he was drafted to fill 2 major needs at the time, we desperately needed to add some speed at WR, someone who could stretch the field, draw double teams and get open deep, and we also needed a kick/punt returner. Ginn filled those spots and was selected ahead of other WR's because of it, and other teams were lining up to draft him in the early part of round 1 (The Rams come to mind immediately). In his first 2 years he didn't have a QB who could get him the ball, that isn't an excuse, that's a fact and we saw what can happen when Henne hit him for 6 against the Jets. Anyone making him out to be a top level #1 was putting unrealistic expectations on the kid.

    I've said, and still believe, that he has the skill to be at least as good as Chambers was for us, he just needs to be used properly. He can be our number one, I just have a different opinion on what a number one WR means to this team vs what it means to a team like NE. We're a run oriented team, a guy like a Randy Moss would be underutilized here, we just need someone who can stretch the field and be consistent. Has Ginn struggled? Sure has, but it's too early to give up on him and not having a QB that can utilize his abilities that led to us drafting him didn't help (the same way not having a good OL hurt Ronnie). A guy like Steve Smith took 3 years to develop, it took Roddy White 4 years, not every WR can jump right into a starting lineup out of college and produce like a probowler.

    If we don't do our due diligence and make sure that we know what type of player we have before tossing them off to the side, we're only going to hurt ourselves and waste draft picks. How would everyone here feel if we released Ginn only to see the Patriots pick him up and make a player out of him? Would folks still be cheering his exit? The Pats are looking for talent and they know how to plug players into their offense, there is no doubt in my mind that Belichick would like nothing more than to take a player that didn't work out in Miami and make him into a better player in NE, why toss away a player before we know what he can offer us?
     
  12. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if I'm allowed to post a 'This Thread Sucks' Thread.
     
  13. 2k5

    2k5 I miss Ted Ginn Jr.

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    I love you :hi5:
     
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  14. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    For over ten years.....my stay on FH was short...I didn't like Fiedler or Wanny, wasn't really welcome so I bailed....lol..that was years ago

    Oh I understand where you're coming from.....and you're right, those one liners about how somebody sucks or whatever are pretty pointless and add very little in terms of readable content.

    And while we're on the subject I'd like to add something....those "baiting" type posts, don't always come from the "negative" guys. There are many times that it gets started by a comment from the other side and in general, nothing is said because they are perceived as being or saying something positive. Personally, I don't see the diff....not when the results end up being the same.

    Myself, I've never really cared to talk about too much online other than what problems we have....what fixes we need and etc...so, I've pretty much always been deemed a negative poster. Back in the day it was known as the "dark side". lol

    Beyond all that, I've just always enjoyed talking to Fin fans all over the country/world. As a matter of fact I helped organize a site and forum for the fins that's based in the UK. We've been in operation since 2000....;]


    I'm absolutely with you on not giving away talent and then watch it come back to haunt you.....it's just that other than a situational role, I don't see where Ginn has that much to offer as a receiver. What you saw vs the Jets, is pretty much that pony's one trick....and the ball had better be right on target and fairly easy to catch. Not saying we don't currently have room for him on this roster....but his days as a featured WR seem to be over. And I for one think it's about time.
     
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  15. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    I wanted Willis or Okoye to be honest. You had a franchise MLB sitting there. MLB was a huge need since Zach Thomas was at the end of his career. I was glad we didn't take Quinn
     
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  16. djphinfan

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    For those suggesting to bench ginn, have you ever seen a defense play without safeties, well, if not, you will, i'll give you a hint where you will find them, its the shape of a square and rhymes with fox.
     
  17. Jeffrey

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    I prefer using one liners because I don't like reading four paragraphs about how someone thinks Ted sucks. I'd much rather just quickly say..... "Lobster Claws".

    [​IMG]
     
  18. jim1

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    Where to start... First of all, barring an off season trade, we're probably stuck with Ginn for 2 more years. My guess is that he'll soon be relegated to kickoff return duty and 3rd down "field stretcher" duty.

    The problem is that his skill set blows. Hands- no, sometimes embarrassingly no. Blocking- forget about it. Quickness- no. Strength- no. Ability to go up for the ball and fight for it as opposed to passively waiting for it to come to him- no. Courage in crossing the middle- no. Alligator arm central. Ability to pump up or inspire the team with courageous play- not often enough. Punt return skills that translate to the NFL- no. See quickness. Straight line speed that kicks in second gear with a crappy first gear- yes. Kickoff return ability that translates to the NFL- undecided, but a potential bright spot for me that he should be concentrating on.

    If you want someone with wheels to keep a defense honest, sign a Yamon Figurs off of the street or resign Anthony Armstrong. If Ginn could be dumped salary cap wise, he'd probably be dumped or on his way to the dumpster. I'm guessing that we might get a 5th out of him- might- but who wants to assume that contract?

    So in our offense all you want out of a #1 WR is a guy to stretch the field? No hands required? No courage or toughness required? No blocking ability required? No quickness required? Well, you got your wish- for now. The clock is ticking, and my guess is that Ginn's playing time this year has peaked, and he'll be phased out to kickoff returner and 3rd down deep threat real soon. And that suits me just fine.
     
  19. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    good, he deserves to be on c'mon man
     
  20. Sethdaddy8

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    Sometimes you draft Ronnie Brown...

    and sometimes you draft Vernon Gholston.

    Ted Ginn is neither. Td Ginn is our Calvin Pace. He lets us down as much as he lifts us up. and he doesn't earn his salary.

    he didn't warrant his draft spot. but thats not ll his fault./.

    shame on us for thinking he could be a #1 wr, or goto guy. we all knew he wasn't, isn't.

    what he can be, is percy harvin, desean jackson, or eddie royal.
    none of these guys are #1s, and they all contribute MASSIVELY on specials.

    their coaches set these guys up for success. they let them get comfortable and find their game on returns. the also have solid #1 Wrs to compliment them. i mean, who saw Sidney Rice coming, but the Vikings made it happen.

    Im still beside myself as to why the Patrick Turner experiment is not underway! Why not? That wasn't a 6th we dumped on him! We have no big, physical WRs. And thats what we need to compliment a Ted Ginn.

    Its the only way he can be very good. We are STILL not setting up Ted to be successful. And its not his fault entirely. We know he's not a #1. Let's not be angry at him because of this. I'm pissed at the staff for not putting him in position to succeed. Send him on the routes he can't screw up. Let him find his comfort zone on specials. Set him up for success, and for god sakes...get Turner in the mix or CUT HIM!
     
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  21. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    i think ted has decent hands. if he gets a lead and you put the ball by him, he'll usually come up with the catch. he's just not going to make unbelievable catches. he's no oronde. and he had a few great blocks on revis in the jet game, but generally, no he's not much of a blocker. he's not a #1, but he can be a big asset if we ever find one.
     
  22. Pennington's Rocket Arm

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  23. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    Im angry because he is a WR who cannot catch and instead of progressing in his third year, as he did in his second year, he massively regressed. He lacks intangibles such as courage, guts, and confidence.. those are attributes that cannot be taught. His actions are the reason why the coaching staff cannot put him in positions to succeed, cause Ted hurtts himself.. Its not the coaching staffs fault.. Well the route running could be, the intangibles I listed are not
     
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  24. Agua

    Agua Reality: Try It!

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    Ted Ginn is becoming the new Sammy Smith
     
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  25. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    He slaps at the ball when he catches. It almost looks sometime like he's trying to move his hands horizontally to do so as opposed to softly, deftly get ahold of it and then bring it to his body. He doesn't aggressively go up to get the ball when it's in the air. He turns to make his move before he secures the ball, looking it in to his hands. His hands are average for a college WR much less a pro one. The stats and painful visual memories speak for themselves.
     
  26. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Patently untrue that he has bad hands. He had really good/great hands...until this season.
    Posted via Mobile Device
     
  27. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    He had grreat hands and ran good routes, until this year.. I dont know what happened but I am fairly sure it has alot to do with him not wanting to get hit and being a big *****
     
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  28. Sethdaddy8

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    i disagree. if this regime put him back on KR/PR and stuck him there for the past 2 years, he'd be producing big time by now on ST.

    he's the guy who takes a slant 80 yds, not a guy you throw to in double coverage with the game on the line. its the staff who is/isn't putting him in these positions. he is not courageous, and he is frail as well, you left out how slight he is. but he can still be put in position to excel. for gods sake, look how successful randy moss is! is he courageous and gutsy? does he put his body on the line? no, he just has a smart coach, who knows how to put him in position to succeed. ted's an x factor, not a pillar of our offense.
     
  29. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    That is a good point.
    The problem now is, we wasted the 9th overall pick on someone who is nothing but a decoy. Doh!:smackhead:
     
  30. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    But dj, you have to do more than just streak down the field and average more than 2 TD catches a year to have much of an impact on defenses. He's just too limited to scare anyone....

    At this point, I'd rather have Hartline out there making some plays than watching Teddy gift wrap games for the opposition.

    He should be nothing more than situational from here on
     
  31. jim1

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    I wouldn't say that he had great hands or ran good routes before this year, but his hands were a hell of a lot better. Nonetheless we're talking about this year, and this year his hands blow.
     
  32. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    He has good hands when a pass falls gently into his arms......or when someone like Pennington throws him a change up with a little arc on it.

    Those bullets from Henne are just too much for him and he's one of the worst WR's I've ever seen when it comes to making a difficult catch or a catch in traffic.

    The best thing we could do for him is to take him out of the heat and work on his game for a while longer. Otherwise this kid is gonna flame out.......and soon.
     
  33. 2socks

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    :sidelol:
     
  34. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Funny line on Jorge Sedano's show: Some listener said to dress up as Ted Ginn for Halloween just don't carry a football.
     
  35. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    What the costume needs is a football on a string. That way you go around dropping it all the time.
    Now that is a Ted Ginn costume.
     
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  36. Stitches

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    You could just make his hands like the "ball in a cup" game. Chances are a football shaped ball would rarely be able to come to rest on top of the cup or even fit into it.
     
  37. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    LOL at "ball in a cup"
     
  38. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Cote wrote this at the Herald

    A day later, asked about Ginn's failings again, Sparano did the coaching tap-dance. Tony is so forthright, so detailed. Usually. Except when he's pulling a muscle bending over backward to not fricassee a player publicly. That's when something like this comes out:

    ``Well, I thought some of the situations, right now, that have occurred [with Ginn] have been, quite honestly, circumstances.''

    Huh?

    ``In other words,'' Sparano elaborated, ``what I mean by that is, there is a lot of things that go into some of these things.''

    OK then.

    In other words, and these are my words, Ginn isn't very good but his head coach can't say that.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/614/story/1301566-p2.html
     
  39. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    ya that makes sense.

    chad henne threw the ball too perfect at ginn so he dropped it. Right in the numbers lol
     
  40. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    The difference between a Cam Cameron presser and a Sparano presser is that Sparano sounds clueless on purpose..
     
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