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Where's the Ginn haters now?

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  1. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    He's a dangerous kick returner......I'm afraid that's all you can say about him.

    Nothing happened today that says Ginn is a good WR....nothing
     
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  2. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    112 passing yds happened today with Hartline starting nuff said
     
  3. Kanye West

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    Fail. People are complaining about his reviving skills. We did not spend the 9th overall pick for a kr.

    Ted Ginn = Dante Hall
     
  4. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    Maybe you should find out how many snaps each player had before you go basing your entire argument on which of them got the first snap. I doubt there was much of a difference....

    Oh and that's about the same stat line on passing yards vs Buffalo in that win as well......a game in which Ginn started
     
  5. Miguel

    Miguel The smartest Man on earth

    I Had more of a problem with the fact that He cant catch a cold and that he ran out of Bounds to Avoid Contact. But looks like He found his place in the dolphins team.
    I guess we will know for sure when we play the Pats and see how Ginn performs then maybe i can say i was right or wrong.. But for Now the title Jet Killer will do
    Considering his only Productive Games have come against the Jets
     
  6. Miaballa99

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    LOL same crap that was said after the first jets game. Where the ginn hater now? you saw what he went on to do.. He's still a sorry receiver and thats what he gets paid for. You wont see him take 2 kickoffs again in his life. Cant run routs and Always looking for the sideline, even on those 2 kickoff returns! LOL.. Im not a ted ginn fan, Im a Dolphins FAN! So i could care less who scores! F*** THE JETS!
     
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  7. Firesole

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    nuff said my ***. Its not like the Jets didn't have anything to do with that. They sacked Henne 5 times. Guys were still dropping balls, like Fasano and Bess. There's no way Ginn gets any credit for today's offensive performance, or lack thereof.
     
  8. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    just admit hartline doesnt deserve to start over ginn. its not so tough. zero catches, zero catches, zero catches................ginn deserves to start
     
  9. Firesole

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    I didn't know Ginn could bring people back from the dead. Give this guy a contract extension now, and lets sign Lawrence Taylor.
     
  10. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    offense is better with ginn than without
     
  11. Firesole

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    hmmm just like Ginn in the San Diego game. The only difference is that Ginn was thrown to, while Hartline was thrown to.......ONCE.
     
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  12. NolePhin

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    Reliable in the sense that if you need the WR to catch the ball on a 3rd down, or just a tight situation, would you go to Ginn or Bess?

    I've been trying to look up stats for drops and such.

    I found a site, says Ginn has had 40 targets and 5 drops. As we know at least one was a TD in the Colts game. And last week he drops one in the chest on a big last drive of the game.

    Bess has 33 targets and 0 drops according to this site.

    Regardless of the stats though, who would you rely on to catch a ball when you absolutely need a play? Bess or Ginn?

    That is what I mean by reliable.

    I have no bias when it comes to Ginn or Bess, or any of the receivers on the Dolphins, I am simply going on what I have seen them do on the field. And neither of them have blown any fan away. I am just stating that I believe Bess is a much more reliable receiver than Ginn is.
     
  13. like2god

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    Either you're engaging in hyperbole or you just don't know what you're watching. Our special teams blocking is horrendous, if a player were to try and run up the middle consistently he wouldn't get very far. Most returners head to the sidelines to run around the blockers and trash in their way, why that's looked upon as a bad thing is curious to me.

    How about we root for the Dolphins and spread the blame around evenly when we lose? It's kind of unfair to want folks to talk about "team" when we win, only to watch people jump on one player when we lose.

    Hardly, there were plenty of people here who were trashing every aspect of his game like it was a party, that included returns.

    Usually the QB only throws to a player when he gets open...
     
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  14. NJFINSFAN1

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    And Ginn with Henne?

    Please

    Our WR core needs a major overhaul this off season, its plain and simple.

    We have a bunch of # 3 WR's.

    Ginn did a great job on returns, maybe this will spark him, but we still need WR help.
     
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  15. Ducken

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    Based on what?? 2 games? Because drops has never been a problem with him. Heck if you want to question someone about drops look at Bowe who a lot on this board wanted to trade for he had 16 drops last year, compared to Ginn's 6 all of last year. Come on guys the kid had 7 drops his 1st 2 years, and IIRC was not a problem coming out of college. He has had 2 bad games with drops now all of a sudden he has stone hands??
     
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  16. jetssuck

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    Hartline is a more polished receiver than Ginn is, as a rookie....

    Is he a number one? No

    Neither is Teddy and nothing that happened today changes that fact. We need help badly at WR, whether Ginn or Hartline take the first snap, it really doesn't matter. Really.....it doesn't.
     
  17. Skeet84

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    Ted Ginn is the best threat the Dolphins have. The fact that he was not in there to stretch the field showed. Bess has played alot worse than Ginn as of late while having little skills.
     
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  18. Dannyg28

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    so regardless of if he is better or not, you want to keep Ginn benched as some kind of punishment for him not living up to his #1 pick selection, despite the fact he had no say so in where and when he was drafted?
     
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  19. adamprez2003

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    noone is saying we dont need a wr. the question is who should start this year. the hartline should be a starter over Ginn argument is offically dead. Not that it wasnt before today but I guess we actually had to see it play out for it to be official. I hope Sparano has officially put this silliness to bed and lets the best players play now

    Where are al the people that wanted Ginn cut? Havent seen one Ginn should be cut post today. Funny huh?
     
  20. jetssuck

    jetssuck I hear Mandich's voice...

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    I just wanted to point something out......

    For all of you constantly *****ing about the "haters" or whatever stupid names you use....this thread is no different or better than those "Ted Ginn sucks threads"

    The only difference is that the person is being "positive" towards a Fins player.......so what? It's still a stupid thread made for the sole purpose of calling people out

    Ginn had a fantastic day.....on returns. We still need WR's

    Thank you and carry on :shifty:
     
  21. Dannyg28

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    I'll agree with that, one good game holds as much weight as one bad game. No ones opinion of Ginn should really change that much one way or the other after one week. We need to see more from Giin to make a determination of what he will end up being one way or the, a bust, a good #2, a #3/ returner. I think people on both sides need to let the season play out and see if Ginn will either build on this game or fall back into his inconsistent ways.
     
  22. femalefinfan

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    Danny, I never said punishment or benching, you did. Please don't put words in my mouth. I described ways to better utilize his tallents. Get him more involved in the wild cat, end arounds, reverses,keep him on kick and punt returns etc. Ways to capatilize off his speed.I never said one word about benching.
     
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  23. Dannyg28

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    "He canHe can not be trusted to catch the ball, plain and simple. Sure Bess, Hartline, and Camarillo have problems cathcing the ball, running routes, etc too. But they were not #1 picks. I'm sorry if I have high expectations for first round draft picks, but I do, and those expectations are not something I will compromise.not be trusted to catch the ball, plain and simple. Sure Bess, Hartline, and Camarillo have problems cathcing the ball, running routes, etc too. But they were not #1 picks. I'm sorry if I have high expectations for first round draft picks, but I do, and those expectations are not something I will compromise."

    I could be misinterpreting what you wrote there, but from what you said, it seems like you are overlooking the other receivers' struggles and harping on Ginn's solely because of where he was drafted. How else can one interpret "He can not be trusted to catch the ball,plain and simple" other than you do not believe he should be out there as a receiver at all?and wouldn't a receiver not being used as a receiver be considered benching him?
     
  24. NJFINSFAN1

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    Let me ask this, and again I'm not taking anything away from what Ginn did today, he won the game.

    But what did he do as a WR that Hartline didn't?

    Why shouldn't Hartline get another chance?

    To me it really does not matter who starts, Hartline and Ginn played just about the same amount of snaps anyway. Its about who produces as a WR, which neither did today.
     
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  25. electrolyte

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    I'm not a hater but it's ironic that the PLAYER OF THE GAME is WIDE RECEIVER Ted Ginn Jr, who had 0 receptions.
     
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  26. Fin Fan In Cali

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    He had an awesome today. Congrats to him. I am still very concerned with him as a WR.
     
  27. k-bayfinfan

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    I'm eating a little crow as I write this. (it actually tastes great today)Great game by Ginn today. Hope this lights a fire under his butt for the rest of his career. Hope the man makes me eat crow while playing WR next week.
    Posted via Mobile Device
     
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  28. Miguel

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    Ted Ginn Should be. At least i think so a great Kr and maybe a PR. But we Need Wr Henne needs a Go to Guy

    Edwards has Evans and TO
    Dirty boy has Cothchery and keller and edwards
    Brady has moss and wes welker

    This Team is a Few player away from being a great team Wr FS MLB
     
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  29. femalefinfan

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    I have higher expectations of him then I do the other WRs due to the round he was drafted in. Was that his choice? No. It was a decision by the previous regime that the current staff needs to make work. I'm throughing out ideas to make it work.I'm no advocating cutting or trading him. Saying utilizing him in ways other then WR is akin to benching is splitting hairs, IMO.
     
  30. Ducken

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    But why? I have brought up several times that drops have not been an issue with this kid and it seems for what ever reason people want to ignore that he had only 7 drops his 1st 2 years and really only had 2 bad games this year and now it is as if his hands are made of stone. I truly do not get this.
     
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  31. SICK

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    he has not done enough consistently...... to erase the concerns people have for him as a WR
     
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  32. mbmonk

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    True because Henne missing him when he was wide open for a possible 80 yard TD was all Hartlines fault right?

    This game was completely different than the last meeting. Jets shut down the run and we were in a lot of 3rd and longs were they brought the house.

    So Hartline against the Saints made a huge play at WR. Against the Jets he makes another big play if Henne hits him. That would be 2 in 2 games. I am not saying Hartline is way better than Ginn, but the kid has made plays at the WR position. Give the kid a break.

    Everyone knew Ginn could return kicks.. never a question. He is completely comfortable returning kicks. He NEVER looks like that at the WR position.
     
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  33. Dannyg28

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    IMO "utilizing him in other ways" is a round about way of keeping him benched at receiver, which is what his position is and if you are not not using him in that role, then he is in fact benched from his receiver role, and i never insinuated that you wanted him cut or traded or anything of the like. If you feel that the other receivers would be better options starting at receiver than Ginn, thats your opinion and not really one i can nor want to argue with. What i am objecting to however is that from what you said, it seemed like the paramount reason you you have for wanting Ginn not to be utilized as a receiver is because he has not lived up to being a top 10 draft pick.
     
  34. Fin Fan In Cali

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    See Brother Sick's post. He said it best.:yes:
     
  35. mbmonk

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    Bottom line.. He got drafted #9.. HE GOT THE MONEY OF A #9. He has the salary cap hit of a #9. He therefore is expected to produce like a #9.
     
  36. femalefinfan

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    Ok, no he has not lived up to being a top 10 pick. But if he were a second or third pick I'd bet there wouldn't be as many threads bashing him.
     
  37. jetssuck

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    Sums it up for me
     
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  38. mbmonk

    mbmonk I have no clue

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    Remember on that 2nd kick return where Ginn makes 2 guys miss and goes to the house? How many times have you seen Ginn catch a pass, make 2 people miss like that, and take it to the house?.. never. He hasn't.

    Again he is comfortable returning kicks. He has never been that comfortable at the WR position.
     
  39. Dannyg28

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    But should these expectations of him impact whether or not he starts? IF he is one of the 2 best receivers we have, should he not be starting regardless of whether he was drafted with the 10th or 510th pick? If Bess or Camarillo or Hartline had the Colts game Ginn had, drop and all, would people have been heaping the loss on him like they continue to do to Ginn?? and would people be continuing to magnify that negative aspect to another wise solid performance? I doubt that.
     
  40. mbmonk

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    I agree.

    Jason Allen doesn't get the same treatment. Wasn't he the number #11 or something? I guess people have just accepted that Allen is a bust. And his isn't playing that much.
     

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