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Fedor Emelianenko vs. Brett Rogers Nov. 7 on CBS

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  1. TiP54

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    I lol'ed.
    Out of curiosity.
    Not being a dick, or a smartass or anything.
    Just wondering, what WILL happen after he looses?
     
  2. monaroCountry

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    M-1 Global is a Holland based organisation with Vadim Finkelstein as president and Fedor Emelianenko as part owner (20% ownership). Fedor and Vladim has been together from the start.

    Fedor wanted the UFC to co promote with M1 for two reasons the first is that Fedor wanted to spread MMA to all corners of the world not just America, the second reason is that an M1 co-promotion would be a good business opportunity for Fedor and his company.

    UFC is very American centric, with shows, fights and fighters mainly done in America. Fedor if you cant tell already is very proud of his Russian heritage and of his close knit friends. M1 not being able to co promote would mean little to no coverage of his fights in Russia and countries outside of America, and most likely no fights outside America.

    The main point of contention during the negotiations were:
    1) Co-promotion with M1 - UFC would not enter
    2) Extending contractual offers to other members of the Red Devil Sport Club - UFC would not agree and
    3)For Emelianenko to compete in combat sambo tournaments - agreed by UFC


    Fedor explains why he didnt sign with UFC (1:19 mark)
    YouTube- Fedor Emelianenko Exclusive Interview

    youtube.com/watch?v=Y5DsxH3Rkh8
     
  3. TiP54

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    This interview, and the negotiation process you explained was after he became a free agent in 2007.
     
  4. Section126

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    He will get a rematch to avenge the loss.

    if he loses that one as well...then he clearly isn't the best Heavyweight in the world.

    But he won;t lose any time soon.

    the guys that can beat him are in the UFC.
     
  5. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    I thought it was a good card. The matches were very well matched up. Rogers was a sore loser. I did think the ref stopped it one or two punches too early.
     
  6. TiP54

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    Do you *think* he is the best HW in the weight in the world?
     
  7. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    I think he is probably the best heavyweight in the world...tough to say...winning is winning.

    but the title belongs to the UFC champ...

    I just thought he would go to the UFC and leave no doubt.

    I don;t want him to fight Lesnar when he is washed up .... I want him to fight him in the near future.
     
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  8. TrueDolFan

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    Overall it was a very good event.

    Mayhem Miller dancing down to the cage made me want to vomit. There's no place in MMA for such a GAY entrance... I didn't think it was possible for me to care less about Miller, but he proved me wrong. My indifference has now turned to contempt.

    My thoughts on the main event? It lasted longer than I expected. Either Fedor is getting soft fighting bums for the past so many years, or Rogers is much better than I thought; I'll go with the former.

    Fedor proved once again that he is, without a shadow of a doubt, THE PREMIER destroyer of cans in MMA today. After he cleans out the "top heavyweights":no: in Strikefarce, maybe he'll get to that eagerly awaited showdown with Jose Canseco!...

    What a joke.
     
  9. TiP54

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    While yes, believe Fedor belongs to UFC, lets look at the much "supperior" UFC Heavyweight class.
    He said he is tired of getting owned by big boys, he is down to LHW again.
    Fedor fought him when Nog was in his prime...and owned him.Twice.
    And by the look of things, Nog is about to start a serious run at the title. He would of fought Brock instead of Mir the first time around, but everybody declared that Nog was "done" after Mir knocked him out. What people don't know is that Nog was in a hospital FOR A WEEK, less than a month before the fight, with staff never the less. When he healed up he owned Randy.
    He has a pretty record, but what has he done besides owning the guy who got owned by Couture and Werdrum twice?
    Another pretty record, with one impressive victory. Big Ben. If he defeats Nog, which should be an interesting match considering that Nog is the best BJJ HW artist, while Cain is a great wrestlers. He beats Nog, then ill be impressed.
    So much potential here.
    But im not too quick to jump on a bandwagon.
    Beats a guy who nobody ever heard of, gets submited by Mir. Takes Herring (A solid veteran, no more than that) to descision, after clearly hurting him in first round. Beats Randy. That was a solid win. And beats Mir again. More on Mir below.
    A one trick pony. Has lost to likes of Marrero and Crazy Horse. No gound game. None.
    Propably the greatest Hype job ever by UFC.
    Lets look closer at what he has done.
    Had a good start to his MMa career, but then was KTFOD by then 36 year old Freeman. Id imagine that not even most harcores havent heard of the guy. Then win 4 in a row. Beats Wes Sims twice, Tank Abott (lol) and breaks Silva's arm, then he gets beat by Cruz, a guy who was fighting his 2nd proffesional fight, and then lost his remaining fights and was cut by UFC. UDs Christison, his only UFC PPV card appearance, lol, and then...wait for it...Gets KTFOd by Vera. Beats Hardonk, submits Brock, in Brock's octigon debut, and KOs hurt Nog. Gets owned by Brock. Now is scheduled to fight Kongo. Id imagine he will beat Kongo due to the fact that Kongo has no.gound.game.
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    We both agree on something, Fedor is better off in the UFC.
    But claiming that he is fighting TOTAL CANS, us Bull****.
    I guarantee you that Timmeh, Arlovski (Who is back with Strikeforce, and is training with Greg Jackson) and Buck Rogers could hang with with some of the "elite" of ufcs HW division.
     
  10. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    I thought they stopped the fight a tad early Rodgers still looked like he was blocking. Sure that punch stunned him but he wasn't KO'ed.
     
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  11. monaroCountry

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    I definately didnt like the way he acted afterwards. Bad sportmanship.
     
  12. monaroCountry

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    Instinct was to cover his head but Brett was clearly out to Disneyland, it even took him awhile to focus and get up off the mat. It was a good stopage.
     
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  13. monaroCountry

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    I like the free to air MMA, Ive already emailed CBS for more.
     
  14. monaroCountry

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    Yes they do and a very good one, maybe a champion without a belt at present.
     
  15. monaroCountry

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    Notice that Fedor and Gegard has fought against the best international fighters, while Anderson Silva, GSP, and Brock Lesnar has mainly fought against local American fighters. Also notice that Anderson Silva in his international excursions hasn’t fared to well and has lost against three Japanese fighters out of the four fighters outside North/South America he has fought. Just because American fight fans are unfamiliar with the fighter (as is the case with non UFC/international fighters) does not mean that they are not good fighters.

    Skip to 1:18 into the video of why Fedor didn’t sign with UFC, he is correct in his assessment too as with my example below.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5DsxH3Rkh8"]YouTube- Fedor Emelianenko Exclusive Interview[/ame]

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    Gegard Mousasi

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    UFC fighters

    Georges St-Pierre

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    Anderson Silva

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    Brock Lesnar

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  16. TiP54

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    I agree with this assesment, but at the same time...Anderson Silva proved that he is arguably the top p4per right now. he has fought the best UFC has in his category. Personally, I think he should fight 205, because he showed that weight obviously is not an issue with that. But he is comfortable where he is, so more power to him.
     
  17. Muck

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    I think we have to consider that Mir was in a severe motorcycle accident after the Syliva fight and subsequently fell into drugs and alcohol and depression. He wasn't 'back' when he lost to Vera.

    And Rogers' head was bouncing off the mat when Fedor was pounding him out.
     
  18. TrueDolFan

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    Say what you will, but the heavyweight roster in the UFC is significantly deeper and better than Strikefarce. Fedor is the only HW worth a crap in Strikefarce.

    Overeem - he's the "champion", and he hasn't defended his "title" in two years
    what a joke, the guy should be stripped of the belt

    Werdum - decent fighter, UFC cast-off who is destined to be a
    gate-keeper the rest of his career

    Rogers - he's far better than I thought he was going to be, and I hope
    to see much more of him in the future. I can forsee him
    eventually going over to the UFC and making a run at the
    title.






    Sylvia got destroyed by a 78 year old Ray Mercer. He is a pathetic can.

    Arlovski's chin is SO WEAK, he couldn't hang with my 14 year old daughter. He has become a can.

    Rogers is the only Strikeforce HW not named Fedor that I think could do well in the UFC. I admit, I thought he was going to be a joke, but he impressed me in his fight against Fedor, he proved me wrong, and I'm a fan now.
     
  19. TiP54

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    Doesn't change the fact that he has a proven track record, with over 35 fights just over his last nine years with loses only to solid fighters like Chuck, Shogun. The fact that he hasn't fought with the organization doesn't take away from his skill.
    Went 2 and 2 in UFC, losing to AA when he was on a roll and junior Des Santos. Has defeated one of many "Up and comming" UFC HW weights Gonzaga, and UFCs boy Brandon Vera. He could still easily contend in THAT UFC HW division.
    If he will continue to improve, he should be baestly.
    Since his title days in UFC, his only losses came to Nog (Who by the looks of things might launch himself in to the belt race) Randy, Fedor (Arguably the best HW ever) and Mercer. So because he lost to Fedor, and followed up with a loss to a can.
    So let me get this straight, because of a loss to a can he turned in to the most terrible fighter to walk the planet? Timmeh ain't what he used to be, but he is a veteran heavyweight. I guess Anderson Silva turned in to a total can too, after losing to Chonan by a....scissor heel hook? Or GSP became a can because he got knocked out be Serra?
    The guy is a fighter, he has fought many great ones, and while he isn't what he used to be, he is a legit opponent.
    Please, so when he was the champ and everybody was hanging of the nuts, nobody minded his chin?
    He gets knocked out by Fedor and Brett and all of a sudden he is a nobody? His skills magically diminished?
    AA is at the lowest of his low right now because he lost two in a row. He was doing okay vs Fedor, and he came out cocky vs Brett and got KTFOD and that makes him a can? One fight after everybody claims he was "beating" Fedor" and asking for a rematch, fans claiming that he was picking fedor apart, he gets knocked out and he is a nobody? How convenient. He is training with Greg Jackson in New Mexico right, arguably the best MMA camp right now.

    Im not saying that strikeforce's HW division is better than UFC. No. UFC has more depth. But claiming that their HW class is all world compared strikeforce is horse****.
     
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  20. Nappy Roots

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    im truely amazed someone actually tried to argue that at this point Silva and AA are not terrible. amazing. neither of these fighters were ever great even in their prime and while they were champions of the UFC. one could argue that neither was actually good IMO. AA has good hands and that is it. his jaw is permantly attached to the floor now, and Silva? are you serious...ridiculous
     
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    So what does that tell you about HW division in first place?

    Because he was knocked out twice in in seven years?
    I said that he is not the Tim Sylvia the champ.
    But claiming that the man can no longer fight beause of one loss is just as absurd.
     
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    Dana White must be the most contradictional (is that even a word?) mother****er on the planet.
    lol

    Well, that was expected.
     
  23. unluckyluciano

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    this is why I can't figure out how anyone can get pissed at fedor for not signing with ufc. in the end its all about business, and dana white is the perfect example of that.
     
  24. TrueDolFan

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    What the hell are you talking about? Sylvia was a joke WHILE HE WAS CHAMPION, and everybody knows it. He's a slow, pathetic CAN.

    Reality check. AA is a can. I have considered him a bum since his "epic" trilogy against the swamp thing known as Tim Sylvia. He's no good.

    No it's not. You're dead wrong, my friend. Strikeforce's HW roster consists of Fedor and a bunch of pretenders. It's second-rate, and that's a fact.
     
  25. TrueDolFan

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    That's obviously fake. There is no way in hell Dana White said that.
     
  26. Nappy Roots

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    Yea where was this from? I'm sure that's a fake, doesn't even sound like something Dana would say, Fedor or not
     
  27. unluckyluciano

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    Looks like its a joke:

    link
     
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    lol
    okay
    ill try to follow your logic
    So in the same paragraph that you state that UFCs heavyweight class if by far much more supperior than Strikeforce's, you insis that their champ, not just a one shot wonder champ, the champ who won the title on two different occasions, defended it couples times is a complete ****ing can, what does that say about UFCs heavyweight division to begin with?
    Again, a guy who goes 10-3 in UFC, win the heavyweight title, defends the title, loses only two fights after 2002, both to the champ....is a complete ****ing can? Let me re-phrase that. He goes 11-4 (9-2 in ufc) since 2002 (while getting KOd only once...) Wins the title, defends the title. Fights the champ on two seperate occasions. The only person he loses in the octagon is the champ (after defeating that champ) and he is a complete ****ing can?
    Listen, I respect your opinion, I really do. LIke you said, you've been watching MMA since i was crawling on my fours and have seen alot more than I have.
    But it is one thing to have an opinion, and another one to pass your opinion off as a fact.
    It is "Second rate" to UFCs, i said that. But the difference between 1 and 2 is couple of more feighters on the UFC roster.
    Sure does.
    Somebody emailed it to me, and I ran with it.
    Should of checked the sources.
     
  29. TrueDolFan

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    He's not their champ anymore, man. That was almost 3 years ago...

    Again with the ancient history lesson...

    Mari0k,

    The UFC's HW division was CRAP when AA and Sylvia were the champs. Everybody knew it. PRIDE's HW division was unarguably the best on planet Earth back then. The UFC's HW roster was pathetic.

    But that was YEARS ago. Things have completely changed. Now, right now as we speak, the UFC has the best competition on the planet. The only guy they don't have is Fedor.

    I believe that if Fedor came to the UFC, it would be the greatest thing to happen in MMA history.
     
  30. Section126

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    The word around the camp fire (heavy rumor) is that Dana White will make another run at Fedor......for a May matchup with Lesnar.
     
  31. TrueDolFan

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    I don't see how that is going to happen. I'd love to see it, but with Fedor's puppetmasters insisting on co-promoting, I don't think it's going to.
     
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    Fedor = 20% owner of M1.

    M1 promote Fedors fights overseas.

    CBS raked in 5.4 million viewers in America, they get the ad profits and give a portion to Strikeforce. Strikeforce also gets the profit from tickts. M1 gets the rights to international broadcasts (the one that they set up and promote). Early estimates indicate that over 6 million Russians watched Fedors live fight which was broadcast at 4am. Japan, Korea, the rest of Asia and European broadcasts are also predicted to be very good. A large portion of the profits from these countries would go to M1 which in turn goes to Fedor who is a 20% owner of the comapny.

    I can understand why Fedor thought that Dana's deal was an insult. Fedor doesnt want a huge amount of $$$$$ as a fighter, what he wants is for M1 to co promote and show his fights live to his fans in Asia and Russia.

    The UFC has its fights on PPV, M1 has its fights on free to air TV or free webcasts. As an MMA fan, I would want to see M1 succeede, I would rather the sport be freely available and not have to pay. PPV would seriously restrict the growth of MMA.
     
  33. TrueDolFan

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    That is a ludicrous statement.

    PPV has been really preventing the UFC from growing, hasn't it? :no:

    The fact of the matter is that the UFC has grown the sport of MMA more than anyone could have possibly imagined, and they did it all without putting fights on free TV.

    You're the type of guy who wants everything to be free so YOU don't have to pay. There are plenty of REAL fans of MMA who have no problem paying to support the sport.
     

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