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Report: Microsoft bans 1 million Xbox Live players

Discussion in 'Gaming Forum' started by charlestonphan, Nov 12, 2009.

  1. charlestonphan

    charlestonphan Junior Member

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    http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/11/12/cnet.xbox.live.ban/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn
     
  2. mor911

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    Sucks to be those haxxors
     
  3. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    More like 1-million consoles banned, the accounts didn't get banned.
     
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  4. Skeet84

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    I am shocked ppl would do this.
     
  5. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    Although I get why MS does this (to save money). Maybe they should spend more time making a console that is dependable instead of you know searching out hackers.

    If they put as much effort into fixing the hardware problems as finding hackers maybe everyone who has/gets a 360 won't get the RROD or even better they could work on making a system that is hacking resistant.

    In case you can't tell I side with the hackers on this one. :D
     
  6. DaFish

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    Tell me about about it.
     
  7. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    You do realize that a company can do more than one thing at once. Also throwing more people onto something doesn't automatically equate into fixing the problem.
     
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  8. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    Yes I know they can multi-task of course they can. Also no adding more people to a team won't automatically fix a problem but I still think MS has bigger fish to fry than attacking hackers and this is from someone who doesn't have a modded 360. I can't say for sure but I am sure their losses on the RROD probably outweigh the loss of game revenue. I believe you work for MS so you know much more about that than me. They probably are working on both as you say but I find it hard to feel pity for a company that puts out an undependable/easy to hack product which then gets taken advantage of.

    My solution is next time maybe MS should put out a better and even more hacker proof system instead of rushing a system to market for pure profit because as we have seen that can backfire. They do that and hackers and the RROD is not an issue.
     
  9. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    They can do both and then they can ban hackers.
     
  10. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    Well more power to them. :up:
     
  11. DaFish

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    They can ban hackers but the RROD is still there.

    Not trashing M$ because I do prefer the 360 over the other consoles at the moment. However I think they could have handled the RROD issue a little better.
     
  12. mor911

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    I think they owe the hackers. If it weren't for the hackers, I doubt the originbal Xbox would have even made it. The Rexbox's ability to handle cool hombrew and the ease of modding it made it sell... Thus getting consoles out there, thus putting them in the console game industry.
     
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  13. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    yea of course, that makes sense. They do not owe the hackers anything. All they do is take money from hard working people.
     
  14. mor911

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    the working people? Right.... If Microsoft got rid of every hacker and had a totally hack free console, do you think their employees would see one extra cent? You work for them don't you? You getting a raise with all of the million hackers they banned?
     
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  15. #1 fan

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    to be honest, the only reason i have a 360 is for hacked games. i think my ps3 is far and away the better system.
     
  16. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Their full time employees would. Us CSG most likely would not.

    There would be more work opportunities though. As they would be more willing to take chances and put out more games if they made more money in the game department.
     
  17. mor911

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    I totally understand and respect your position in this subject. Obviously you have strong ties to Microsoft. I still think it was a bad move to publicly boast about the amount of people banned. You'll likely think this is a dumb, but you don't want to piss off the hacker community. There are a lot of gamers in there and while they do rip stuff off, most spend tons of money on hardware and DLC type stuff. On top of that, if an elite hacker group hates your company, they can make you pay.... Even a big on e like Microsoft. Do you know how many people jumped **** this weekend to Sony over this? Microsoft was kicking Sony's butt in software (bigtime) and hardware... And Sony's console is NOT compromised to the point the 360 is. Do you think this move will help sales? Just my opinion of course. I'm already back online, but will be laying low.

    And just for annoying me, I'm buying MW2 on PS3 this weekend :)
     
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  18. Ultra

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    woah there, let's not make a rash decision like that. Don't you at least want a day or so to think it over? Can you even play MW2 online yet for PS3? :shifty:
     
  19. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I mostly have strong ties to gaming and know that the hacking community hurts gaming way more then it helps. I do understand the perspective as when I used to download free video games when I was I college, the amount of games I would have actually bought would probably be 5% of what I downloaded.

    I think this move will keep people who do not know a lot about hacking away from getting their xbox360s hacked. That is what this report is for. I would guess most of the 1 million banned players will find it an annoyance. It is the people who are not a lost cause, and will not hack in the future.

    Hacking hurts gaming and hurts people who are looking for work. Which is fine, if you are fine with that. I am fine with Microsoft banning people because they should protect their interests. Honestly I am fine with people hacking because people do what people do. I just do not agree with the idea that hacking helps the game industry or it is a bad idea for Microsoft or any company to stop it.
     
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  20. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    Now that's sticking it to the man. :lol:

    I don't know why but I had to laugh a little when I read that. It must be some sick weird geek sense of humor I have. :lol:


    Also I am one of the would be hackers that this stopped...well for about a month or so until I get tired of paying for games again. :shifty:
     
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  21. Phinz420

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    Some anecdotal evidence to show how piracy can help the gaming community- I never buy games simply because of consumer/media hype, & did not purchase COD4 because of my previous encounters with the COD series. However, when I found out that COD4 had plenty of pirated servers running on the PC, I downloaded it and installed it for some free multiplayer action. Well, needless to say that I enjoyed it enough to wait in line for a couple hours on launch night for its sequel. I can assure you that would have never happened if I had not pirated the previous title and had a chance to delve into its multiplayer.
     
  22. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    Sigh. :(
     
  23. unifiedtheory

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    Unfortunately you are in the minority. It's like music downloading, for me it has changed the way I find music. Before downloading I had to rely on word of mouth and taking a chance. I download like crazy. If I find something I like I go buy it (even though I already have it in digital format) and if something is poor I delete it. It's like having the World biggest listening station at home.

    The problem is, for every person like me there are 1,000 others who simply don't buy any music anymore and it is effecting the entire industry and in the long term music fans are going to find it more and more difficult to find new and exciting music. Record labels don't let bands grow up anymore. If your album does poorly they kill your contract. We are seeing now but it will get even worse. The big labels only push and support established acts OR acts that fit into what is selling right now. If people actually bought albums the labels would have more money to invest is bands that need time to grow.

    I might offend a few people here but whatever but I'm happy all those people took a hit. In my opinion their accounts should be banned for life. Hell, it's too bad that M$ can't find a way to worm their machines and shut them down all together.

    Everyone wants everything to be fantastic and the best. They want their games and music and movies to entertain them and keep getting better but there are a TON of people who don't want to pay for it. Game companies and bands put hours and hours into the product. It costs a lot of money to make entertainment products. If you want something good you should EXPECT to pay for it.

    For me it's kind of like voting, if you did not vote then you have zero right to complain about the government. If you did not pay for a CD or played a pirated game you have no right to complain about it or the industry and you have no right to complain when the companies you are stealing from do something to pay you back.
     
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  24. #1 fan

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    i think ms tries to cripple your hard drive too if you get banned. at least this is what i read. also, they're trying to disable other functionality as well.
     
  25. mor911

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    They corrupt the certificate on your profile. Unless you have an HDD extraction tool, you won't be able to access your saves or profiles on any Xbox besides the one that was banned. If anyone needs help, PM me
     
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  26. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    I was reading on other sites that there are ways to unban your 360 now with a bunch of work....which seemed fairly easy with the instructions. It had to do with HDD extractions etc.

    Are you talking about this same kind of thing? Just for my information of course since I am still too lazy to mod.


    Also I saw you did get MW2 for PS3...awesome. :lol:
     
  27. mor911

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    I don't see how someone could unban their console. I didn't look into it (I'm out of the country at the moment) but since they are actually banning the console itself, not via the HDD, it seems unlikely that you can get unbanned. I don't think they ban via MAC address. I think it's some serial number of sorts
    that is unique to each box. Haxxors would have to fake number or MAC address (if that's how they're doing it). It just seems very unlikely
     
  28. Two Tacos

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    Wait, so now people will hate MS and want to hack their stuff, but before they were supporting the company and wouldn't think of attacking a MS product?


    A little stealing is to be expected, given the nature of nerds, but if a million users really stole the game, then your looking at a huge impact to sells. I am a little unclear about this point though. Did MS ban all modded boxes, or only those that used copies of the game? If it was all modded boxes then I can see the anger.
     
  29. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    You cannot use Modded Xboxes on Xbox Live. So it would be all.
     
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  30. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Looks like the banned XBL users are taking Microsoft to court.

    http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/banned-xbox-owners-file-class-action-lawsuit-20-11-2009/

    And honestly, I don't blame them. As far as I'm concerned, having a modded 360 isn't against the law. There are a lot of legit players with modded 360s. Unless having your 360 modded is illegal, I can see Microsoft losing this case. Banning proven hackers is just fine, but banning everybody with a modded 360 isn't imo.
     
  31. mor911

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    They're going to lose (the modders) and they're idiots. Modding your 360 is legal... The trouble is, the Xbox Live Terms of Service clearly state that you can be banned if you have modified your system in anyway and try to connect to the service.

    If the people can prove they NEVER connected to Xbox live, they'll win. The problem there is... Xbox live is a what Microsoft used to ban them. So they had to connect.
     
  32. xer0

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    Its possible but a total pain in the *** and really not worth it.

    Basically what you do is extract the keyvault from an unbanned 360 and inject it into the banned system.

    To do this you have to solder a JTAG adapter onto the mobo of both 360's and use XeLL to do the extracting/injecting.

    Doing this there is no guarantee that Microsoft wont ban you again and if they do you'll need another unbanned 360 to rip another clean keyvault from.

    Like I said...not worth it. :no:

    My box also got banned so I traded it off to someone on Craigslist for a soft modded Wii and I honestly couldn't be happier.

    Other then Madden and NCAA I really didn't play any games on my 360. None of its exclusive games have excited me since Gears 2. Also I refuse to pay for Live as I rarely play multiplayer so any games I wanted to possibly play online I would buy for the PS3 anyways.

    Oh well...Microsoft's loss...now Sony and Nintendo get all of my gaming dollars. :lol:
     
  33. mor911

    mor911 pooping

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    Truth
     
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  34. Clipse

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    Oh well that settles that then. I seen they're taking Microsoft to court over them "taking information from the XBOX without the owners permission". Not sure how that's going to work though. As for them being idiots, modding your Xbox when you know you can get banned on XBL is pretty dumb. However it was the law firm that made the decision to take them to court, not the banned. Probably wanting to make a name for themselves I take it.
     
  35. Stitches

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    I had 2 boxes get banned (maybe a 3rd, but it isn't connected to live and the dvd drive is dead anyway).

    It's not the XBL (multiplayer) that I like so much, but I enjoy party-chat, arcade, and the game add-ons.

    Plus I was already invested with like another year and a half of live left on my account and 6k MS points.

    I still bought games on all 3 systems, even before getting banned.

    I'm upset about the sunk cost of my pooched 360s (one I got used thankfully), but not that I have to buy most of my games on 360 again.

    I'm thankful I have some ECA discounts available at Amazon for 20% off. :lol:
     
  36. Clipse

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    Do like me. Have a modded 360 for Single Player games, and a regular one with XBL for multiplayer games :yes: Hell I rarely even use my regular 360 though other than sports games. I much prefer my PC. Better graphics, better gameplay, and a whole lot easier to pirate :pointlol:
     
  37. mor911

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    All modders know what they're getting into when they mod. For them to go after Microsoft (imo of course) is selfish and stupid. We know we're stealing from them. We were caught. Get over it and move on.
     
  38. Stitches

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    For me, it was more an issue of timing than anything. Now, I'll just wait for a lot of games to get cheaper in price before playing them.
     
  39. finsincebirth

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    I know quite a few people out there who have the opinion that downloading games saved them enough money to go buy a new xbox. Mine was banned and I have no problems buying a game if it's a good game. Take Lost Odyessy for example, I bought that because it was a good game and wanted to support the gamers, but the problem is too many ****ty games with too high of price tags come out. To continually spend 60 dollars on crap is just too much. With that said I'm in the "yea i deserved it category". It's my fault, they caught me so I have no right to be pissed. I'm annoyed I can't go on live anymore, but I can still use it for offline games. Either way I'm jumping ship to PS3
     
  40. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I never bought the ****ty game argument with too high of price tags. That is akin to saying, "She was asking for it."
     

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