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  1. Big Red

    Big Red Long Lasting Freshness

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    I've only seen highlights on YouTube but Decker looks good. I like his size which makes him hard to tackle and I like his hands. My main concerns would be level of competition and durability.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqF5cHt9B2A&feature=related"]YouTube- Eric Decker Top 5 wide receiver 2010 draft[/ame]
     
  2. Stitches

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    Eh, I have no problems with level of competition, but I'm definitely concerned about his durability.
     
  3. BuckeyeKing

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    Yup durability would be the biggest concern.
     
  4. Big Red

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    Uh-oh. Controversy.

    That's another vote against Decker.

    Hull is a senior and he leads the team in tackles. Plus he is a standout on special teams. This guy has sleeper written all over him. Check out Penn State's next game and tell me if you don't keep asking yourself who is #43. That guy flies all over the field.

    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=77220&draftyear=2010&genpos=ILB

    Another linebacker who really jumped out at me is Ohio State's Ross Homan. He is an unhyped junior so he probably won't declare but I wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be one of the top linebackers in the 2011 draft.

    I know stats aren't everything but Odrick has more sacks than Bowman. Hull leads the team in tackles by a lot. Jack Crawford leads the team in tackles for a loss. Bowman isn't the best anything on his own team let alone the country. Maybe he's a great athlete but I'm not seeing the production.

    So would I. :up:
     
  5. Big Red

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    Why not? Some of his best games have been against Air Force, Montana State, Syracuse, FAU, Miami of Ohio, and Indiana. These are not great teams.
     
  6. Stitches

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    Because everyone knows the ball is going his way.
     
  7. Big Red

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    That's some funny shat right there. :lol:

    We should not be comparing Bess to Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, and Larry Fitzgerald. We should be comparing him to Andre Davis, Austin Collie, and Jerheme Urban.

    I'm always more concerned with our talent on the field than the salary cap. As a fan I have that luxury because I'm not Jeff Ireland. If I can have Ginn as my return man and Dez Bryant as my #1 wideout then I'll let the front office worry about the players' salaries. Plus you forgot what I said about Ginn being a deep threat in the passing game. One of my biggest problems with Teddy is his inconsistency. However you don't need to be consistent to be a deep threat. If you only catch one bomb every couple weeks that's enough for opposing defenses to have to account for you.
     
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    I would never ask that question, I just was thinking Hull was a RS JR. Penn St is my favorite team, and I tend to watch them every week.
     
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    Don't ignore the games against Northwestern, California and Wisconsin. Decker can play. Competition is not an issue for him IMO. I watched that California game, breaking him down. He looked great before he got his face split open. Then he came back, made a few catches IIRC and got injured again.
     
  10. Big Red

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    So what? Even if I knew the route he was running I still couldn't cover Reggie Wayne because I'm not as fast or as talented an athlete. You always have to consider the level of competition.
     
  11. Big Red

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    Good point. :up:

    As I said level of competition would be a concern but you always have concerns. With every player. However concerns are not always deal-breakers.
     
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    :lol:

    Well there you go. Guess I should only speak for myself. I sat down to watch that Ohio State game to check out Sean Lee, Navorro Bowman, Jared Odrick, Andrew Quarless, and Evan Royster but the guy who kept making plays was Hull. And Odrick. Quarless was quiet that game. Very quiet.
     
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    I can understand why one would question his competition. It makes sense. However, that's not my concern with him. My concerns with Decker are his durability and his ability to separate at the next level. At this point, he's held together by tape but he's a tough guy. His wrists are so strong so when he absorbs hits, he doesn't lose grasp of the ball and I think everyone has to love that of him. His ability to separate is similar to Hakeem Nicks last year IMO. Neither had great foot speed but both had good size and very good route running. Decker's a bigger WR though by like two inches, however is probably a little slower. I've heard that he won't be able to run at the Combine so that's probably going to drop his stock. I'm thinking a team can get him in the third round and possibly end up with a steal.
     
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    Decker isn't being left in single coverage in those games.

    Can you play CB in the NCAA at a D-1 school?

    If you can, and you get help, I am certain you could contain the college Reggie Wayne if he played on this Minnesota team.
     
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    He wasn't that quiet actually. He got a couple balls his way, which is really all the TE gets in that offense since they went to the pseudo-spread. It's just the nature of the position.
     
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    Big, you're unknowingly going through the bumps of writing about players from some teams that a few of us really follow. :lol:

    No worries though. Keep up the enthusiasm and good scouting work, brother.

    Who's your favorite team(s)/Conference that you watch the most of?
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    Here's my first offseason move: trade Ginn to Oakland for Zach Miller. Not sure Dufus would be able to resist this. LOL. Lindsay Lohan has an easier time rejecting speed.

    That would solve one problem...... well, two if you count getting Miller. :sidelol:
    **Throw in Bess if needed> tell Dufus he runs a 4.2 thirty. (That might confuse him enough to squeeze the deal through)

    Re-sign Fasano, as the non primary target role perfectly suits him (recall with DMart in 08)

    Next, trade Cam and a future 4th to Zona for Boldin. He would fit in nicely with Fitz and Breaston, no?
    Grab Stitches favorite MLB MisSpell Jackson..... AdamP's playmaking MLB Derrick Johnson, and now our draft is suddenly opened up to take BPA in every round.

    Then I'll take a helping of Spiller for course 1.... Trade future picks/players for Derrick Morgan, JPP, or Hughes (in that order for me but would trade for any of them)..... then best WR who falls in 2 (Benn, Gilyard, Decker, Jeremy Williams)....Javier Arenas 3rd... BPA 4th.... WR Taylor Price 5th.... BPA rest of way.

    Next stop: SuperBowl. :shifty:
     
  18. ckparrothead

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    To me Eric Decker is sort of a great white hype guy. He can play, he's got some skills that will translate to the next level, but probably as a slot receiver or a limited X receiver. He dominates lower levels of competition without great physical ability. Pop in a compilation of his highlights and I'm not seeing anything that makes me say "wow".

    Seeing him against Cal is a mixed place to start, he had a good game, but keep in mind that even though Cal is in the "big leagues" compared with Minnesota, they're not exactly a good pass defense. Jeremiah Masoli isn't the best passer in the world and he had a ridiculous 21 of 25 for 253 yard day, throwing 11 balls to Ed Dickson for 148 yards and 3 TDs. Damian Williams had 8 catches for 101 yards on them. UCLA had 96 and 89 yard receivers against them. Hell Washington State threw for 385 yards on them, with Forzani claiming 116 yards and 1 TD on 4 catches. Kyle Williams had a 90+ day on them, McGaha had like an 80 yard day too, in that Arizona State game...and Joe Halahuni of Oregon State had 128 yards receiving in this last game.

    So even though you want to treat the Cal game as a chance to see if Decker is "for realz", keep in mind the other receivers out there that have achieved nearly the same success he achieved against the disappointing Golden Bears defense.

    What I want to see is what Eric Decker was able to do one-on-one versus Vontae Davis in 2008. They played, Decker caught 9 balls for 96 yards and 1 TD. I wouldn't assume that all of that came on Vontae though. You have to go back and check the tape. We also know that Vontae can be prone to complete mental breakdowns at times, and so if a couple of those catches were due to that and not necessarily something Decker did to him...I want to see that. While you're at it, you can check and see if he did anything against Malcolm Jenkins last year, too.

    There have to be some serious red flags knowing that if you combine his games against Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan from a year ago, Ohio State from a year ago, and Iowa from a year ago...you have 12 catches for 151 yards in 5 games. That's 2.4 catches and 30.2 yards a game...when facing tougher competition...on a guy that does not have speed. Doesn't that scare anyone?
     
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    I'd probably be a buyer on Jordan Shipley over Eric Decker right now. At least Shipley has speed, and he's got 89 yards a game against opponents like Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Ohio State over the last two years. The problem with him is I believe he is also a slot receiver type at the NFL level, and it was no coincidence that in those games against those opponents he had only 9.7 yards per catch.

    Jacoby Ford is a real playmaker, he will find a home in the NFL despite his height. He has the physical ability to make plays on anyone. I could see him thriving at the next level.

    The hands thing on LaFell might be a little picky. We'll see.

    Gilyard might be my best senior but that's not saying a ton. Overall there's nothing exciting about this senior WR class. Looks very picked over to me. You're going to have guys like Dez Bryant, Mike Williams, Damian Williams and Arrelious Benn come out and I think their talent trumps the seniors.
     
  20. Big Red

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    One reception for 7 yards is quiet in my book. I watched the game and Quarless didn't stand out in any way. However I appreciate you providing the reasons why. :up:
     
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    Another vote against Decker. Opinions appear to be divided.
     
  22. ckparrothead

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    I'm not sure I like this entire class. I've heard Damian Williams is an a-hole though I have no confirmation on that. We know Mike Williams is a big time problem child, and that Dez Bryant may not be far behind. Arrelious Benn has been inconsistent as all getout. Brandon LaFell drops some balls and also has that thing where he doesn't do anything against the best opponents. Decker is physically uncompelling, disappears against good opponents. Shipley is a fast slot receiver that only makes deep plays against terrible defenses. Jacoby Ford is short.

    Mardy Gilyard might be more of a slot receiver himself but at least he's consistent and a nice guy.
     
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    Yeah I heard Damian Williams originally transferred to USC because he complained about the lack of catches at Arkansas. I don't know how true that is though.
     
  24. Stitches

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    I meant wasn't quiet because he did get open and get a couple passes his way. But yea, they don't get the ball his way more than 5 times a game, so unless every pass is caught he'll likely be "quiet" in that sense.

    He'll have a chance to be a better pro IMO, but for the reason you note above, that is why he isn't highly touted and I'm hoping for him around rd4.
     
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    The thing with Decker he is Minnesota's offense. The defense knows its going to Decker but they still can't stop him. Injuries are the only thing keeping Decker down.
     
  26. ToddsPhins

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    He's got a lot to prove. I know he's been dinged up, so I'm not sure how much of a role that's played in any of his performances. He's a tough mofo so it's possible he faught through it and never allowed himself a chance to fully heal. ???? If so, maybe this time off will be better served for him. If he can't run at Combine, he'll definitely be a mid round bargain guy. Anyone's thoughts?
     
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    Tulane's Jeremy Williams might be an upgrade to everyone we currently have. Like what I've seen so far, but haven't seen enough of him. Really hope to see him play in Senior Bowl.
     
  28. Big Red

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    I just like college football in general. Grew up in South Florida so I always follow the Canes, Gators, and Noles. I guess that means I watch a lot of the SEC and ACC. Now that I live on the West Coast I see USC on TV a lot.

    Wow.

    I'm not opposed to trading Ginn if we can get a 2nd round pick for him. Of course then we would need to draft a return man. I hate creating holes when we already have holes to fill.

    Zach Miller is an interesting idea.

    Cam and a future 4th to Zona for Boldin? I would rather draft Arrelious Benn or Golden Tate.

    IMO We need an upgrade at safety, inside linebacker, and wideout to get over the hump and contend for the Super Bowl. We need to reload at outside linebacker and nose tackle. A playmaker at tight end would be a nice addition after all those other things are addressed.
     
  29. Big Red

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    You are being way too hard on Dez Bryant. Is there something other than the Deion Sanders incident? Benn's inconsistency has a lot to do with the fact that Juice Williams is his QB. Also you didn't mention Golden Tate.
     
  30. Big Red

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    Just got done watching the Boise State games against San Jose State and Louisiana Tech. Austin Pettis looks like an outstanding wideout. Maybe in the mold of a Hines Ward. Their strong safety Jeron Johnson was flying all over the field making plays. Both are juniors.

    Anybody fans?
     
  31. ckparrothead

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    I didn't mention Golden Tate on purpose.

    And the NCAA wouldn't have ruled Bryant ineligible simply because he had dinner with Deion Sanders and then lied about it because he was nervous. That's the most BS cover I've ever heard. The NCAA isn't in the business of broadcasting a guy's offenses, so Bryant and Deion can say whatever they wants to the media about what he got suspended for. The NFL teams will know exactly what it is. I know that when he was first kicked out of the NCAA, the word from the NCAA sources were that Bryant's actions were so bad and blatant that an appeal was highly unlikely to be successful. Sure enough, they appeal, and he's still suspended for the year.
     
  32. Big Red

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    I respect your opinion of the Dez Bryant/Deion Sanders incident. However I don't share it. :up:

    Not a fan of Tate? Why is that?
     
  33. ckparrothead

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    Not sure I see anything all that compelling from either a physical or a talent standpoint.
     
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    Depending on how Golden Tate times, he could be a nice playmaker in the Santonio Holmes mold. Problem is, we need a WR with size so I don't see us picking him, but IMO he moves the chains, makes big plays, and is a good KR/PR and #2 WR prospect who should be a 1st day pick if he runs a sub-4.4
     
  35. Big Red

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    How about from a production standpoint? Back to back seasons he goes over 1,000 yards. 10 touchdowns last year. Already 10 touchdowns this year. That's impressive. Plus he doesn't have any character issues. Hard worker. Talented athlete who can play two sports.

    Look how he lays out for this catch.

    [​IMG]

    You gotta love that. Charlie Weis said Golden Tate could be the best wideout in Notre Dame history. That's saying a lot.

    His size and speed are not an issue.

    Tate is 5-11 195 lbs. That's 15 lbs heavier than Ginn. He also weighs more than Camarillo, Bess, and Hartline. (Not combined. That would make him a lineman.) Plus he's taller than Bess. He may not be classified as a "big" wideout but Golden Tate has size. Carolina's Steve Smith, Wes Welker, DeSean Jackson. These are small wideouts. Golden Tate is not small. He's the same size as Santonio Holmes, Greg Jennings, Reggie Wayne, Percy Harvin, Mario Manningham, and Steve Smith from the Giants. Those guys all do all right for themselves wouldn't you say?

    If he declares Tate should run between 4.4 and 4.5 at the Combine. That's plenty fast. Elite speed is an asset but it isn't everything. Just ask Ted Ginn.

    Of course this is all moot if Golden Tate doesn't declare or plays baseball instead.
     
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    I don't see why you are arguing against anything I am saying. The only thing I said is that we need a bigger target. No need for the hostility or to feel like you have something to prove with Tate, I called him a playmaker in the Santonio Holmes mode, I don't see why you are bringing up Holmes as a comparision after I already had.

    I'd like to have Tate, but we'd still need to find a way to get a WR with SIZE. Anquan Boldin size, Brandon Marshall size, Dez Bryant size. That is the big WR we NEED right now, a true #1
     
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    Whoa! What hostility? I apologize if some kind of tone came through in my response or if I misunderstood your post. It was not intentional I promise. :knucks:

    We're not arguing. Its just a discussion. My feeling is you don't need Brandon Marshall size to be a true #1. Greg Jennings is a true #1. Reggie Wayne is a true #1. Torry Holt was a true #1.

    Look at it from another point of view. The beasts at wideout are Andre Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Roy Williams, Vincent Jackson, Calvin Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, Larry Fitzgerald, Randy Moss, and T.O. None of them have a Super Bowl ring.

    You know who does? Reggie Wayne, Deion Branch, Torry Holt, Santonio Holmes, and Hines Ward.

    IMO Golden Tate is a playmaker a la Percy Harvin. There has been speculation that the triumvirate was interested in Harvin last April. If so I see no reason why they wouldn't be interested in Tate.
     
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    I love Golden Tate and honestly believe that he will be the best pro receiver in this draft. I can't put numbers on the argument, all I can say is that my eyes tell me the kid is special.

    I came here to discuss why Damien Williams transferred from Arkansas. Without delving into all of the drama, Williams was part of the 'Springdale Five' which was a block of highly recruited players from Springdale High School in Arkansas (a suburb of Fayetteville where the UofA is located). Mitch Mustain, Damien Williams, Ben Cleveland, Alex Tejada, and a receiver who ended up quitting football came and brought their head coach, Gus Malzahn, as offensive coordinator.

    Well the Hogs were 9-1 and ranked fourth in the country. Mustain was 8-0 as a starter and after throwing an interception on the first drive on the road against South Carolina, he was pulled for Casey Dick. Basically Houston Nutt is the world's biggest egotistical douche bag and could not stand that Malzahn was getting all the credit for the success. So he pulled Malzahn's boy Mustain for Nutt's boy in Dick. The Hogs went on to lose against South Carolina and again to LSU.

    After the season, but before the Capital One Bowl, the parents of Mustain and Williams went to Frank Broyles office and demanded that Nutt be fired. Broyles was a staunch supporter of Nutty so he basically told them to eff off so the two transferred. Nutt brought in David Lee to be co-offensive coordinator, stripping the brilliant Malzahn of play calling duties, Malzahn got mad and left to Tulsa (he is now tearing up the SEC as the OC at Auburn and will soon be a heck of a head coach, in fact when Nutt was finally canned there was about a 40 percent group on the Board of Trustees that wanted Malzahn as the head coach).

    So there you have it, the reason Williams transferred and how one moronic and idioc Nuttjob ruined Arkansas for three years.

    FWIW, Williams was always a classy guy at Arkansas and Springdale, I doubt that has changed.
     
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    Caz P TE FSU he tore his ACL so I aspect he be available in the 7th or UDFA.

    Nice soft hands and hes a former OL, he knows how to block.
     
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    Strength of hands fighting for ball? Body Control going after the ball? YAC abilities?
     

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