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Jimmy Graham - TE Miami

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by Panther7, Nov 19, 2009.

  1. Panther7

    Panther7 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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  2. Biggtyme13

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    I like what I see but he is real raw. Does not adjust well to the ball over the shoulder and has to work on route running. I project him to be between a Gates and a Scheffler which were both basketball turned football players. I would take that in the 4th or 5th.
     
  3. ckparrothead

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    He's raw but his natural ability is very, very good. I'd cap him out at a 3rd round pick.
     
  4. ToddsPhins

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    let someone else draft him, then steel him off their practice squad. :shifty:
     
  5. ckparrothead

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    Ain't gonna happen.
     
  6. HardKoreXXX

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    Is he better than a Kory Sperry? Graham has been solid this year though and I like what I've seen. Aside form a case of the dropsies against Va Tech, he's been a TD machine.
     
  7. ckparrothead

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    Get a guy that tall, that athletic, natural hands, with that kind of leaping ability? Heck, I'll teach him the rest. His homework will be to play Madden non-stop.

    That's not even a joke. Antonio Gates said that he got a lot of his understanding of how the offenses should work from playing Madden. He didn't play any college football at all really. So he had to learn it in the pros on the fly.
     
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  8. Panther7

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    I'm a believer in a tight end really helping an offense, probably because we've been burned by so many this year. Potential wise, I think Graham at 6"8" with 4.5 speed is a mismatch anywhere on the field and a much higher ceiling than Gresham. He's my third rd pk. I like McClain for my 1st rd pk. I'm hoping they just get a #1 receiver through free agency.
     
  9. anlgp

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    At that rate I'm a mad defensive co-ordinator that can put together a 3-4 that puts up 60 plus sacks a season.
     
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  10. rafael

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    It seems we double dip at least one position every year. I'd be happy with Graham as our second TE selection (4th or 5th round) as we double dip this position.
     
  11. ssmiami

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    Graham is rising up the draft board fast
     
  12. ckparrothead

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    Omar said on Twitter that he's been told that if Jimmy Graham finishes the season strongly, he's getting a Senior Bowl invite. That lends credibility to the idea that he's a potentially high draft pick.
     
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  13. ToddsPhins

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    Does he have a passion for football?..... or is he all of a sudden playing bc he knows it will get him paid?
     
  14. padre31

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    Don't think it matters to the way the NFL puts players into the league.

    The NFL is a stove pipe league, a one way route if you will, whenever a player has a high level of success and avoids that one way route the league never forgets how that happens, imho they look at it as an Institutional Failure.

    In Graham's case, how many times does one suppose we will hear "Antonio Gates" in conjunction with Graham? Yet Gates only played BBall in College and just had a private tryout and was signed as a UDFA and avoided the draft process completely.

    That is the sort of thing the NFL as an Institution will not forget for at least a decade, maybe longer.
     
  15. Gunner

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    I've only seen 1 Cane game (early this season) and he dropped passes on back to back throws ... left a sour taste in my mouth on him ... good to hear that he has picked it up since then
     
  16. Steveo 90

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    jimmy's draft status is gonna depend on what kind of combine he has.....if he puts up monster numbers i really can see him being a high second rd pick


    truth be told this kid just needs reps,once he gets them whatever team he lands with will really appreciate him
     
  17. NickyNapoleon

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    Graham is one of those guys that will get drafted higher than he should based on potential.... His size and athletic ability will make some teams drool, and cause him to go fairly high, I wouldnt take him in the 3rd personally... But a round or two later and we are in business. Im just not sold on spending a 3rd round pick on a guy that has alot of growing to do in his position... A 3rd rounder should be a guy that can be an immediate contributor and possibly a starter for us. I just dont think you spend a 3rd round pick on a player that is almost completely unknown....
     
  18. Section126

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    got a little insight on him....

    He is gonna be a combine Monster.....

    He WILL run in the neighborhood of 4.7...and he will leap 32 inches.

    I am told he is working on his strength tests.

    somebody will have to store him for his rookie season, but he could pay off huge dividends down the road.
     
  19. texasPHINSfan

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    what is the board looking like for TE's, and where do they all stand in relation to each other?
     
  20. Panther7

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    4.7 is a long way from 4.5. Don't know that I'm interested at 4.7, at least not for a 3rd rd pk. How fast does Gates, Shockey, Winslow, and Holmes run? I'm looking for that type of home run potential. :yes:
     
  21. NickyNapoleon

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    I have seen him estimated at 4.65 which isnt great, if he can get under 4.6 he will shoot up the boards
     
  22. alen1

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    I think 4.65 is a good number. I know Gil Brandt has stated a few times in the past that the target number for the 40 yard dash for many teams is 4.85 for tight ends, though I think it may be a bit higher like 4.75.
     
  23. NickyNapoleon

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    Yeah its not a bad number at all, but when you look at all the other measurables on this kid, you expect him to run faster than 4.7..... I know Graham is the hot topic right now but as you and I have discussed I really like Hernandez out of UF 6'3 250 and can cause some serious match up problems because he can line up all over the field.... Would be interested to see where Boomer and Co. think he will come off the board
     
  24. ckparrothead

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    Do remember that he's also about 6'7" or 6'8". When it comes to vertical speed, inches translate to tenths.
     
  25. Panther7

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  26. ckparrothead

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    It just means that height translates to vertical ability for pass catchers and pass defenders, due to the physics of the game. It's one reason why Sean Smith can be trusted to cover the deep ball in our system despite his being a 4.45 to 4.50 corner, which is slow in this day and age. He can be two steps away and defend a ball that another corner has to be one step away to defend. His height forces the QB to place the ball perfectly, just as a smaller and faster corner's closing speed would force a QB to make sure he hits his man perfectly in stride.

    Joey Haynos is a very tall player, but as far as speed goes, I would guess he runs something in the 4.85 to 4.90 range. Look at his speed alone and I don't think you would consider him to be a pass catcher, you would probably consider him to be a blocking type. But the coaches have always said that Haynos is a pass catching tight end that needed to learn how to block. The height is the reason.

    If Jimmy Graham runs a 4.70, or even down into the 4.67 range...then at 6'8" he has the potential to end up one of the best vertical threats at Tight End in the game.

    Not to mention if you look at his vertical, I'm not sure 32 inches is what he'll jump. I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit 36 inches. There was a touchdown he had recently in the back of the end zone that looked borderline indefensible. There aren't supposed to be that many borderline indefensible plays in football. They come in certain situations. The QB sneak or FB dive from half a yard away, that's an example of a borderline indefensible play. You can defeat it as a defense, but the numbers are against you. The extra point, that's a borderline indefensible play. Short field goals, same.

    There certainly are not supposed to be indefensible plays that go for touchdowns from 5 to 8 yards out of the end zone. But with the accuracy that Jacory Harris had on this throw, with Jimmy Graham's height, his big time vertical, and the WAY he caught the ball...the only hope you would have had to defend the play would have been to push him out of the back of the end zone, except that would have entailed trying to send a 260 pound man flying 9 feet away from where his momentum was taking him...which is tough to do even for super strong guys.

    Jimmy really showed something in this last game. He had 5 catches for 73 yards. But, 4 of his 5 catches came on third down, and the Canes scored on every one of those drives. As a guy that never played football before, already doing that at the ACC level, that shows a lot of promise. Not to mention the 5 TDs he's caught. Before the game, Omar said he'd been told that if Jimmy finishes the year strong then he will get a Senior Bowl invite. That game against Duke was a good start.
     
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  27. NaboCane

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    He's SO raw, though.

    Did he redshirt his first year with the basketball team? He's listed as a 3V Senior, which means he has a year of eligibility left.

    If he did come back (if it's even possible), and gained valuable football smarts to go with the size and athleticism, he could be a top-10 pick in '11.
     
  28. ckparrothead

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    As far as I know he doesn't have any eligibility left. I might be wrong about that but he's considered a senior, eligible for the senior bowl and all that. He might have to apply for another year of eligibility.

    Either way I don't think that is what will happen. He'll head into this draft and even though he won't be a top 15 pick or anything like that, I wouldn't have a problem drafting him fairly high. He's a very bright kid. Ever listen to his radio interviews? He sounds like he has a future in radio if he wants it. He says that he wants to play football for the rest of his career, he has no illusions about being a basketball player anymore.

    The NFL has the best teachers in the game. I think they can build him into a pretty good tight end. The TE coach in San Francisco basically built Vernon Davis from scratch. So did the guy out in San Diego with Antonio Gates.
     
  29. ckparrothead

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    This is just an interview but I think the picture they have up during the whole interview might be the TD I'm talking about where if I'm a defensive coordinator and/or a defender, I'm just not sure how to defend this.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-Sz6r4Z6Lg"]YouTube- Jimmy Graham #80 | DA U | UNC Interview[/ame]
     
  30. Section126

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    Those measurables I posted are from an internal workout. Gotta think that he will improve them with work.

    I do find it interesting that I wasn;t told any strength numbers and told that he is working on it...which means he must have some putrid strength stats.

    I think you have to be really hard up to take him in the top 2 rounds. But I couldn;t pass him up with a high 3rd rounder. The upside is "Best TE in the NFL". that is pretty high if you ask me.

    BTW..his blocking is underrated.
     
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  31. ckparrothead

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    It's always a case by case thing. I can't tell you if I'd take him in the second round until I knew who else was available. If I don't particularly like the other players and I need a tight end of the future, I might do it.
     
  32. Frayser

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    I was just looking into this kid tonight and, sure enough, there's a thread on him in the draft forum. Seems like the kind of guy we might take an interest in.
     
  33. jim1

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    What about the wheels on Notre Dame TE Dave Ragone? And this guy is 6-5, 255. Sounds like a Parcells TE- Italian guy from New Jersey and Notre Dame, and a big guy at that. Bavaro, Fasano- maybe Ragone is next. I think that he's a Junior. Here's the video of him tracking the guy down, starts at 0:15. Tate's hail mary is in there, too.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffQQXi7YnNk"]YouTube- und.com Play of the Game - Washington State[/ame]
     

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