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Concerns on the rollout?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Colmax, Dec 12, 2009.

  1. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    It seems to me that Henning and Co. seem to really like the Henne rollout in tough situations. Prime example last game was the comeback by Camarillo on the 4th and 6 on the last drive.

    Hey, if it works, why stop it? Well, for one, it limits the size of the field and the throwing window Henne has to work with. It is also becoming pretty predictable. And trust me, there will be some D coordinator out there with a plan to stop it. I just hope that Henne (and I think he is) is savvy enough to make the right decision....like throw away the ball.

    I like the play, but I am a little concerned. I understand the unbalanced line on that side for protection, but I am more concerned about an INT. It seems as though it is almost exclusively used in situations where Miami is in dire need of making the 1st down.

    I do not know if it will continue to work, but I was wondering if there is anyone here that might have some of the same concerns. Maybe someone could break it down by X's and O's and if it is a play that can be exposed?

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  2. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    it wasn't a come back route it was snake route the double move
    i don't have a problem with short side of the field :up:
     
  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No worries with Henne on the move..he's special when he does it., and it will become a weapon in this offense..

    Sorry for the lack of x's and o's.
     
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  4. Lt Dan

    Lt Dan Season Ticket Holder

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    he throws his best when rolling out...no concern whatsoever
     
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  5. late again

    late again Senior Member

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    I can't say that I know what his completion percentage is when rolling out; but it seems to be a strength of his.
    In fact, I'm to the point where I just expect that he's going to find an open receiver when he's on the move.
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    give him good protection and he'll pick you apart from the pocket as well...

    The quick out, the deep out, perimeter stuff is outstanding...

    I keep racking my brain trying to think about who in history has the trajectory of a henne pass?....its really unique.
     
  7. Phin-o-rama

    Phin-o-rama Well-Known Member

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    He needs to work on his touch a bit but that should come in time I would think
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  8. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    Henning also called that play on the last drive of the game against the Jets(second game) if i recall.
    Maybe they should use it more on earlier downs instead of when everyone knows it's coming.There always seems to be a DE right in Henne's passing lane every time it's called too.Deception works wonders if they can work on that a bit more in practice.
     
  9. gafinfan

    gafinfan gunner Club Member

    Most here seem to think its a positive for Henne but I see it as a crutch to cover a weakness. I'm in the Boomer/ck corner and want him to become more athletically agile so he can stay in the pocket and become the QB I think we all feel he can be.:wink2:
     
  10. DolfanCole

    DolfanCole Season Ticket Holder

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    I've read/heard (and witnessed) that he's very accurate when on the run. So those rollout passes are higher percentage.

    Also, there's an obvious correlation on when is best to call the play. It works best when there's going to be pressure up the middle or from the opposite side. I believe that this has been the case for many, if not most, of the situations when the play was called (this may even be an audible that Henne calls once he sees how the defense is going to play). Then, it becomes a very good call against that kind of defense, not only for play-calling, but it's also a play that Henne and company execute very well.
     
  11. Rhody Phins Fan

    Rhody Phins Fan Well-Known Member

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    I've never been a hug fan of those plays because they do essentially cut the field in half.
     
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  12. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Like most on here, it has to be used judiciously for it to be effective. Even then, there is a better than average chance that the play will be successful. I don't think that using the rollout has any bearing on Hennes' athletic development at all. It just has to be used as a tool, depending on the situation at hand. So far, the times they've used it, it's been pretty effective...Henning has a way of overusing things that work well though, so that has to be taken into account as to the success of the play in general...
     
  13. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    The route is really not my concern, of course. I am just wondering if anyone here thinks it's too predictable, etc.

    Thanks for your input. :up:
     
  14. Wildcat23

    Wildcat23 Here kitty kitty

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    But when Ginn is on that other side of the field, whats the difference?
     
  15. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    I remember that Bess cross-field pass against the....Panthers? He was on the move, but I forget if it was a called rollout or a broken play?

    No doubt he seems to do well when on the move, but in the situations where it is a called play, I wonder how many receivers are "eligible" when it is a called play? One? Two?

    It also seems to me that the side of the field of the rollout is full of traffic at times. I just hope that Miami (and Henne) is prudent when considering that play.
     
  16. Gitrdone

    Gitrdone New Member

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    Triple coverage on Cam or Bess is the difference.
     
  17. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    I agree, the play is damned successful. I just wonder if Miami has a deceptive play from the rollout. Maybe a rollout with Ginn on the back-end coming for a reverse (if that will even work)?

    Miami has taken the "try to stop it" mentality, esp. with the Wildcat. This particular play might just be Henning saying just that: Try to stop it. I just wonder if there are any keys on the defensive side of the ball that better helps them recognize that play, and if there is anything to stop it.

    It just seems very predictable.
     
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  18. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    chad needs to work on his physique, its obvious to some of us that he's really relying on a lot of just natural talent at this point. and its showing itself well, so imagine the possibiltites.

    Lets just say that iam sure Chad was not Jake Long's workout partner in college..Its gonna take a few years to reshape his physique....

    If he wants to be one of the best, his *** should be in that gym every day in the offseason, and not just for leadership reasons, the cat needs to move some weight..

    He's gotta a very flexible release, very loose delivery, so iam sure he's cognisant of this, and has probabaly used it as an excuse for not working out seriously all his life....

    I dont wanna make him brady quinn, but i do wanna get him on good routine, get rid of that pot belly, strenthen his hips and trunk, hammy's and legs, and work out his upper body, designing a routine that will build his core strenth up there, while keeping his excellent range of motion and flexabiltity....

    He's got all the talent....time for the robot to train his body like one...fully focused....

    I can only hope for us, he gets this most important element of the game.
     
  19. krypto

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    Sure you don't want to think that one over?
     
  20. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Why should we be concerned? Henne is a better thrower rolling out.
     
  21. Wildcat23

    Wildcat23 Here kitty kitty

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    I have never seen that...but even if the boot has one maybe two targeted receivers, the defense isnt going to know its a boot from the snap and even when they do realize they are not going to shift coverage and let players run loose on the other side of the field just to smother bess or cam.
     
  22. Wildcat23

    Wildcat23 Here kitty kitty

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    No not really haha. It was a bit of a joke, maybe i should have added in a :shifty: orrr :tongue2:
     
  23. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Teams have already guessed right in previous games, blitzing to that side and disrupting the play. Lately Henning has been guessing right and it's worked most times they've run it.

    As we saw in the Panthers game, if Henne gets a decent bit of blocking on that side, he can deal with a free rusher late. And the receivers will break off their routes and give him a target. If that throw to Bess would have been on the money, #15 is still running to the endzone.

    We roll right multiple times each game. But no doubt we go to it in crunch time. 4th-and-6 against the Jets with the game on the line. 3rd-and-12 against the Panthers with the game on the line. 4th-and-6 against the Pats with the game on the line. Every time it worked. And every time it got 10+ yards.
     
  24. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    athletically speaking, isn't it harder to roll out and throw the ball on the run while scanning the field then lets just say standing in the pocket and throwing the ball? just asking....
     
  25. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Come on Muck he isnt THAT slow. He would have made it by now.






    :lol:
     
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  26. DolfanCole

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    I guess it could be worse. Culpepper was criticized for only being able to use half the field all the time! Some of his criticism targeted how he just couldn't use the whole field when reading defenses.
     
  27. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    I think Tampa managed to sniff it out on Henne's pick.
     
  28. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    meh that just proves that the rollout works
    consistently running it in those situations with success
     
  29. Ludacris

    Ludacris Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes, the D can recognize the play if they watch Carey or Thomas. Carey and Thomas would slide laterally to their right sliding the protection. Henne will roll right with Carey and Thomas giving him time. If the OLB recognizes the protection sliding the LB can step back in zone coverage to cover the comeback or the square in. CB could also break to the ball if he knows he has safety help. The fact it's called on 3rd or 4th and long should help the defense anticipate it.

    Even if it does get covered Henne should just tuck it in and run. He will be able to recognize what the defense is giving him. He won't force that I don't think because that flood right roll out play would be something they practice continuously. We already have seen Henne flick the ball out of bounds...if it's not there you live to fight another day. Henne's got options and he is extremely proficient in it...it's his go to play (like stockton and malone's pick and roll) that can't let you down.
     
  30. Conuficus

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    Well away from here
    Half roll out, and that was a piss poor throw to be honest.
     
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  31. padre31

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    Well, let them recognize the rollout and come up to cover it, the Panthers did exactly that and Bess made a route adjustment and came up with a huge first down catch.

    But the real gold with that situation is for the opposite side Wr to run a fly route, Henne has the arm to connect on a long pass by throwing all the way across the field and deep
     
  32. Ludacris

    Ludacris Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Case in point.

    Last drive - Henne rolled right on 3rd and long, Jags OLB dropped back to cover the sideline. Henne then ran for it, slid down short of the fisrt down marker but stayed in bounds to let the clock run. Basically Henne knows exactly what to do.
     
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