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Official WWE/TNA Wrestling Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by alen1, Mar 25, 2008.

  1. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    Ahhh okay, that makes more sense. Serves me right for getting my news from a hip hop station. Probably promoting his new album.
     
  2. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    racist.
     
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  3. Silverphin

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    Yup! Shock Value 2!
     
  4. Ray Finkle

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    Does RAW even do 3.0s each week? TNA will be lucky if they crack 1.0 rating going up against RAW and the BCS Championship game that night.
     
  5. charlestonphan

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    :lol:
     
  6. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    Okay, one thing as I watch Smackdown. How come R-Truth is not being pushed? He is well over with the crowd.
     
  7. Samphin

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    R-Truth does nothing for me. I think he is lucky to be in the position he is in to be honest. I'll put it this way, if he didn't have that crowd pop for his little rap, I don't think he would have a job.
     
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  8. Big E

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    Yeh I second that.
     
  9. Thunderbolt89

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    In my opinion since R Truth seems to be over with the crowd they may test him one day as IC champ. To tell you the truth though in the future I see R Truth as more of a Scotty 2 Hotty type of guy,someone who is over and comes out to have fun and energize the crowd but not that high up on the card.
     
  10. Samphin

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    pretty much dead on.
     
  11. Thunderbolt89

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    Hey what guys do you think that they should push? For me on RAW I like what they are doing with Kingston. I feel they should push Swagger because he has the athletic ability to at least try something with him,MVP wouldnt be a bad push either,and I would like to see them do something with Evan Bourne instead of jobbing him every week. On Smackdown I would like to see them try and put Morrison in the main event because he puts on great matches and since MNM I have always felt he would be a good main eventer one day. Also I have always been a fan of CM Punk even though he has been champion before,he has been cutting good promos lately too,what do the rest of you think?
     
  12. TheAnswer385

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    am I the only one who's tired of MVP? I hear his intro and immediately am turned off to whatever is going on.
     
  13. unluckyluciano

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    he doesn't do it for you sexually you mean?
     
  14. TheAnswer385

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    Yea, I mean he could at least use a candle or two maybe rose peddles?

    Try damn it!!
     
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  15. Ray Finkle

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    CM Punk lost a dark match to R-Truth, man I guess the guy is still in the dog house huh? Can't even crack the PPV line up and loses a dark match. He must have really pissed someone off.
     
  16. Silverphin

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    And Sheamus is the new WWE Champion.
     
  17. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Wtf?
     
  18. Thunderbolt89

    Thunderbolt89 Well-Known Member

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    My reaction exactly,at this point in time I don't think they should have put the belt on him.
     
  19. charlestonphan

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    wow? what is that all about?
     
  20. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah this PPV was one giant pile of crap between Kofi losing, Sheamus winning the title and DX now the tag champs I'm at a loss for words.

    I wouldn't be shocked to see Cena win the title back on RAW tomorrow night, at the 1/4 RAW event or at the Rumble. I've said it numerous times that I thought it was a mistake for Sheamus to even be in the title match let alone win it. It just seems so out of left field I feel like the WWE is trying to shock people. To show just how much faith the WWE has in Sheamus they booked the match in the middle of the PPV and the hype for the match wasn't even the main focus of RAW, the tag titles were.

    I'm really upset that DX won the tag titles tonight but once again it shows Jericho is better off getting on his knees and kissing Triple H's *** to get a push.
     
  21. Thunderbolt89

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    Completely agree with you,I think it was just garbage tonight. I was planning to buy the DVD if it would have been good but nevermind. Sheamus should not be the champ this soon,you were right all along about Sheamus I just don't know what they are doing. Plus RAW is going to hurt without Jericho on it and now DX can go on Smackdown also but I don't know if they will.Plus I don't like the decision of McIntyre over Morrison,I don't see much in Drew and felt they should have given Morrison a longer IC Title reign before hopefully pushing him to the main event scene
     
  22. Ray Finkle

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    I'm sure Jericho will still be on RAW (he was on the Tribute to the Troops episode that airs on 12/28) because again they don't have any main event heels on the roster other than Orton. Of course another problem the WWE has is that they have way too many title changes, it used to be champions held onto the titles for a half a year to a year, nowadays if you hold onto the title for 2 months it's considered long. In my opinion it cheapens the title (which is a big reason why the Hardcore title died out after a few years).

    DX won't be on Smackdown though, maybe they will show up for a show or two but it won't be every week. I really think it was a mistake for them to win the titles as it does nothing for them (besides padding their title win stats) and will be just a prop for them to carry along with them, while Jericho and Show actually defended the titles and started to make the titles mean something again. Oh well.
     
  23. Silverphin

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    IMO, the McIntyre over Morrison is a good idea, if they are to trade the title back in forth in a rivalry.
     
  24. Samphin

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    I had a feeling that this was going to happen with Sheamus. The table stipulation is an easy out because Cena can always rely on the fact that he was never pinned/submitted to Sheamus.

    Kane, a few years back, won a first blood match against Austin, only to drop the title back to Austin the next night on Raw, so they may do that again. Personally, I like it. Everyone *****es about Cena and the other same people being in the championship scene. Now everyone is upset when they push a new guy? Honestly, why watch if they can't win either way?

    I like it, it makes me want to watch Raw for the first time in months tonight.
     
  25. Ray Finkle

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    People are *****ing because Sheamus doesn't deserve to win the title, plain and simple. Seriously you said you haven't watched wrestling for months but try to get clips of Sheamus on YouTube the past few weeks on RAW, the guy isn't getting any reaction from the crowd at all. You could hear someone coughing from the nosebleed section. Hell, Santino got a bigger pop in the segment he did with Sheamus, the crowd was dead until Santino's music hit and he made fun of Sheamus.

    If someone like Swagger, The Miz or MVP or even DiBiase or Rhodes won the title I don't think anyone would have been upset by it like they are now. It's the fact that Sheamus hasn't done anything to deserve the title (or really even a shot at it) that people are upset by it. I mean seriously just to recap since he came to RAW he's beaten Jaime Noble, beat up Jerry Lawler and beat up Santino, that's it. If you watch RAW tonight it will be clear that Sheamus isn't over. That's the main complaint about it, and I think it's valid. At least when Kane won the title he was over with the crowd and had really established himself as a character/wrestler.
     
  26. Samphin

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    Just watched the match. Sheamus was supposed to go through the outside table and just missed it. They had hismusic cued up, so I think the result was supposed to be him walking out still, but I think they were going for the "double tables" finish where there would be some ambiguity last night. It will be interesting to see how they handle it tonight.

    And Ray, we have talked about that before, and from all accounts (other than yours), the WWE has done a pretty good job of building Sheamus as a threat to Cena over the past few weeks. Last week's show got him national attention due to the Cuban incident.

    Again, I see no problem with what the WWE is doing. Yes, Sheamus is a good friend of HHH and I am sure people will call politics on this, but I don't really care. I am happy to see a new face (any face) in the championship mix.

    I didn't like seeing JeriShow losing, but it seems somewhat obvious to me that Jericho is not well liked by certain people. From what I read and able to gather, he wasn't protected too well last night. I often wonder if the McMahon's wish they didn't have to do business with him (or keep him that high up on the card). But Jericho keeps himself popular and at the top.

    I can see him blaming Show and possibly fueding with him for a brief while before either refocusing on the tag titles/world title/Edge.

    Probably the good thing about Sheamus staying around (even if it is for just one more night) is that it gives you another option for the Rumble if need be.

    Also, Cena had the belt on him at the Iraq tapings that will be shown next week. Take it for what its worth, but I have a feeling for continuity sake, Cena will get the belt back.
     
  27. Thunderbolt89

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    Bingo,at first I didn't mind Sheamus getting a push but then saw he gets no reaction like you said and there are others who deserve a chance before. Right now I would be happy if those people like Swagger or DiBiase were champion right now because its new and at least they get a response. Also I never complained about Cena being champion,I really don't mind him having the title and I understand why they had the title on him,it was simply good for business.Whether some fans like it or not Cena moves merchandise and gets a good crowd response whether good or bad. Also,Borderland may be right about the title changing tonight because I read somewhere that in the Tribute to the troops show that since Cena has the title in the show it would make them have to explain it was taped if they keep it on Sheamus.
     
  28. Ray Finkle

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    Sorry but Sheamus has zero heat and hasn't been built up at all besides from beating up jobbers and announcers. All he did was win a battle royal to earn the shot. With all do respect I've watched each week while you haven't, so I think you have to give me the benfit of doubt there. The fact that people are going crazy about him winning just shows you how little people care about him. Seriously watch the clips leading up to the PPV and you'd see. Reading things doesn't do justice. Just go back a few pages and read other people's posts besides mine about him. The Cuban thing did little for him as Cuban got all of the press not Sheamus. It's also clear the WWE didn't have a lot of faith him in either considering the position of his match on the card and his feud with Cena was secondary on RAW while they gave the DX/JeriShow feud top billing.

    About Jericho, yeah it's obvious he's not well liked by Triple H therefore he's never given props. I had read from someone that has some good sources that are pretty well connected to the WWE that they don't want to give Jericho a DVD set because they don't feel it would sell enough or he's marketable. Whatever the hell that means, surely Jericho's set would outsell Kane's set or Batista's new set.

    As for Cena, I had read a few different spoiler reports and half say he had the belt and half say he didn't. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
     
  29. unluckyluciano

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    cm punk wasn't on the paper view? thats bull****.
     
  30. Ray Finkle

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    Nope AND he lost a dark night last night to R-Truth before the PPV even started! Who says the WWE doesn't have a clue how to use their talent?
     
  31. Thunderbolt89

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    Agreed CM Punk should be on the PPV,he has been doing a great job with his character as of late and cutting good promos.

    Are you all going to catch the three hour Slammy show tonight? I read some of the award categories and nominees this year,looks alright. Plus they are having fans vote on wwe.com for best diva slammy right now.
     
  32. Samphin

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    I don't know Ray. You never seem to like anything that the WWE does. I can't think of the last time you praised anything the WWE has done. In fact, I would venture to say that most of the IWC (internet wrestling community) fall along those lines. Honestly, is it just chic to bash them for everything?

    I am not saying they are perfect, far from it, but I can recognize and appreciate when they try something and someone new. If it fails horribly, then it fails horribly. But if you believed the internet pundits, John Cena wouldn't and shouldn't be allowed anywhere NEAR the main event scene, yet there he is, getting a reaction, selling millions of dollars worth of merchandise and keeping the WWE afloat. And guess whaT? He was forced upon us at the beginning. Same with the Rock, Orton (who has improved immensely this year as a heel) and others. I am willing to wait and see what happens.

    So yes, I believe you when you say that he isn't getting much heat, but I also like seeing new faces, especially in a throwaway PPV. Again, I have a feeling that they were supposed to do simultaneous table spots which may have held the belt up.


    Punk is WAY in the dog house at this point. It is so silly, but the nature of the business. Hopefully by the Rumble he gets faith restored in him and is allowed to have a higher spot on the card (I assume he will be IN the Rumble).
     
  33. unluckyluciano

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    what did he do? short of punching stephanies babies i can't see what he could have done to not warrant a huge push as a heel. hes great at it.
     
  34. Ray Finkle

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    Sorry but I've praised the WWE plenty of times in this forum alone just because I don't agree with you on the Sheamus thing or some things they have done recently doesn't mean that I'm automatically a hater of them.

    Just for a few examples I have come around on Cody Rhodes this past year and have admitted I was wrong about him. I'd been praising Jericho since this thread started and have been a Morrison, Miz and DiBiase fan since day one. I've also come around on CM Punk too big time. And I've been pushing for a Punk/Cena program for awhile and Morrison getting a real shot.

    When the WWE does something good or that I like I have no problem giving them praise, hell I still love the WWE. But there hasn't been a lot of good they've done recently. The product is stale and guys that should be getting pushes aren't.

    I've been one of the few people on this very board defending Cena and why he should be in the main event picture. But whatever I guess you don't remember that one which is fine it was awhile ago. Also while I'm not a fan of the new DX face loving Triple H, I get why he's doing what he's doing. I may not like it but know that the WWE is a business and having Triple H and HBK running around as goof balls trying to sell stuff is good for the E even if I'd rather see heel Triple H.

    Just because Sheamus is a new face in the title scene doesn't mean he's deserving of anything or that it's a good idea. The Katie Vick thing was also something new but that didn't make it automatically good neither did pushing guys with no talent like Mark Henry or Khaili for no reason other than they're big, because they weren't over either.

    I'm fine if the WWE wants to give someone who's actually been built up like Miz or Swagger or Punk or MVP a shot at Cena. Because they've earned it by building up their character and working their way up. You might think I don't like Sheamus but the truth is I don't care about him one way or the other and that's the exact problem with him and why it bothers me he got a shot. He hasn't done anything to make or others care about him. You're actually the only one in this thread who's fine with the Sheamus move and also the only one who hasn't watched the product for awhile now.
     
  35. Ray Finkle

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    He pissed off the Undertaker who's a locker room leader. The stories goes that Punk didn't dress the WWE corporate way on road trips like all the other wrestlers have too (minus Undertaker and Cena since they 'live their gimmick') and when Punk was called out for it so he called out the Undertaker for not doing it either. Lame I know.
     
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  36. charlestonphan

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    just a thought, but when Foley won his first title, it was out of the blue, and in late November/early December. and he was used a "transitional" champion to set up the Wrestlemania main event. he lost it at the Rumble, and then the Wrestlemania main event was set. i think...

    just a thought, but maybe they are using Seamus in the same way. which gives him main event credibility moving forward.

    on further thought, i think Borderland has a point. i've been griping aout Cena with the strap as much as anyone, and even though he didn't lose a fall to lose the strap, i am willing to give it a chance. i am curious to watch tonite and see the fallout.

    also, i am willing to bet that DX does not keep the tag titles long. unless maybe they see them as a rating boost for Smackdown, but i cannot imagine either HHH or HBK adding to their travel schedules. and if they are gonna lose it, it is probably too much to ask though that the Hart Dynasty gets them. :)

    if not, i would love to see Jericho blame Show, and end up teaming with Punk to regain the titles. Team Pity Party would be fun to watch in the ring and on the mic.
     
  37. Ray Finkle

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    Borderland DOES have a point, which I agree with, the WWE needs to push new stars. But I just don't think Sheamus is the right guy for the push which was my whole point. Your example of Mick Foley is excellent however Foley was already super over with the crowd and had been feuding with The Rock already but that event pushed him over the top, it wasn't like Foley came out of nowhere. Another example was Edge when he came out of nowhere and beat Cena cashing in his MiTB briefcase or even Diesel back in 1995. I'll argue it could have helped someone like Kofi or The Miz more than Sheamus due to their positions in the company for the past few months. Imagine if Kofi won the title last night? People would be going nuts (in a good way tonight). Again my point was pushing Sheamus not the idea behind what the WWE was trying to do.
     
  38. charlestonphan

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    i agree, Seamus is not the guy i would want to see get hot shotted into a world title run. and that was before i knew he was a buddy of HHH. Kofi or the Miz would have been better by a long shot, and i totally agree about Foley already being way over when he won. i was marking out when it happened.

    if i am not mistaken than was also when Bischoff made Tony Shciavone say on the air on Nitro that; " Mick Foley, who wrestled in WCW as Cactus Jack is going to win the WWE title tonite on a pretaped RAW. wow, that's gonna put alot of asses in the seats "
     
  39. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah that was the same night and as soon as Shciavone said it almost everyone watching Nitro switched to RAW to watch the Foley match. Talk about instant karma.
     
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  40. unluckyluciano

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    ultimate backfire. I remember watching wcw when they said it. I was like hell yeah and switched over lol.
     

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