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Official 2009-10 MLB HOT STOVE UPDATES

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  1. Anonymous

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    Well, you have to give something to get something Padre. Also, you act as if Hamels is a bad number 2. Let me remind you Cole Hamels had an amazing season two years ago.
     
  2. padre31

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    2 yrs ago Ashie, he was a non factor this postseason.

    Halladay and Lee makes far more sense than just Halladay, especially if they will wind up trading the players they refused to trade during the season.

    And Lee is younger than Halladay.
     
  3. King Felix

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    philly doesnt want to pay for both lee and halladay, thats what im getting out of this
     
  4. Anonymous

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    Padre, Hamels is 24 years old. Before last season, he was one of the best young pitchers in the game. I would say last year was a mirage. I really believe that Hamels will come back strong this season.

    As for Halladay and not Halladay and Lee, well like I said, you have to give something to get something.

    Also, now rumors are saying that Aumont is heading to Philadelphia, along with Roy. Also, J.A Happ and Joe Blanton took physicals along with Dominic brown. So they may be on there way out instead of Lee. This is getting interesting.
     
  5. Anonymous

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    It's reported that Lee wants a C.C Sabathia like contract, so there's one reason why the Phillies will trade him.
     
  6. PeaTearGriffin

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    As a Phils fan I really don't get this...
     
  7. The Rev

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  8. FaninPatsyLand

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    If this doesn't happen, then the deal makes no sense. Ellsbury was the worst defensive CF in baseball last year according to UZR.

    To sign Mike Cameron, who strikes out more than Jason Bay, and stick him in LF @ Fenway essentially neutralizes some of his value. He does RAKE against LHP, though.
     
  9. Boik14

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    metsblog reporting that Bengie Molina wants a three year deal. I don't even want the mets giving a 36 year old catcher a two year deal.
     
  10. Ray Finkle

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    I'm sure Cameron will play CF, you can bet your house the Sox have crunched the defensive numbers and know what's up. Sure Cameron isn't a 'sexy' player but his production should equal that of Mike Lowell's and with a full year of Victor Martinez, Scutaro at SS and (my fingers are crossed) an improvement over Ortiz's 2009 season the Sox aren't that bad offensively. Of course they're still not done yet they still need a 1st or 3rd baseman depending on what happens with the Lowell deal.
     
  11. Ray Finkle

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    I'm not even sure why the Mets would even want him as anything more than a back up anyway. The guy really shouldn't be an everyday player.
     
  12. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Having the 3 J's (more like 3 Aces - hahaha see what I did there! :)) at the top of the rotation and DiceK as 4th is solid for sure. Your D should improve; and if you get AG thats a significant add. You may have a few holes offensively depending on order and who protects who, etc.

    Question: If Jacoby goes to LF, when was the last time a LEFTY played LF for Sox???
     
  13. Ray Finkle

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    Troy O'Leary in the late 90s to early 00s before Manny came to town.
     
  14. BigDogsHunt

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    ??? nuff said....:tongue2:

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    According to ESPN.com's Buster Olney, Roy Halladay's negotiations with the Phillies "are complete" and he's taking a physical Tuesday.

    Let's recap this three-team blockbuster trade once again: The Phillies will get Halladay from Toronto and two or three prospects from Seattle (possibly RHP Phillippe Aumont, RHP Juan Ramirez and OF Tyson Gilles); the Blue Jays will get outfielder Michael Taylor, catching prospect Travis d'Arnaud and pitcher Kyle Drabek from the Phillies; Seattle will receive Cliff Lee. Halladay will then ink a three-year, $60 million extension with Philadelphia. Stay tuned as this all gets sorted out and the exact money exchanged is revealed.
     
  15. BigDogsHunt

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    According to Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports, the White Sox have acquired outfielder Juan Pierre from the Dodgers for two minor league pitchers.

    The Dodgers will take care of about half of the $18.5 million remaining on Pierre's current contract, according to Brown's sources. The 32-year-old outfielder hit .308/.365/.392 this past season with 16 doubles, eight triples, 30 steals and 31 RBI in 380 at-bats for Los Angeles.
     
  16. Ray Finkle

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    Word is the Dodgers somehow have traded Juan Pierre & money to the White Sox for 2 minor league pitchers.
     
  17. BigDogsHunt

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    The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that the Cardinals have offered Matt Holliday an eight-year contract worth about $16 million per year.

    We doubt an eight-year, $128 million contract was what Scott Boras had in mind for the winter's top free agent, but Holliday himself might appreciate the security of knowing he could spend the rest of his career in St. Louis. Plus, there don't appear to be any of the expected $20 million-per-year offers on the table right now.
     
  18. BigDogsHunt

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    This Lee-Halliday deal is still shaking out...but seems interesting and I like ESPN's Jayson Stark's latest views as he has some new twists in the Roy Halladay deal, and they seem to clearly favor the Mariners.

    Last Night according to Stark:
    Phillies acquire Roy Halladay, Mariners prospect, Mariners prospect
    Mariners acquire Cliff Lee
    Blue Jays acquire Phillippe Aumont, Travis d'Arnaud, Phillies prospect (likely OF Michael Taylor)

    However, the current deal has no one going from Seattle to Toronto.

    Instead, the Mariners are set to acquire Lee from the Phillies for Aumont, a 20-year-old right-handed reliever, and 21-year-old outfielder Tyson Gillies. The Philies will simultaneously acquire Halladay from the Jays for three of their own youngsters: RHP Kyle Drabek, Taylor and D'Arnaud.

    Stark said 2009 rookie J.A. Happ was a possibility to be included in Drabek's place, but Drabek is the much more popular name elsewhere.

    So, if this is the deal, then it'd be a stellar move for Seattle. Aumont could well turn into a closer and Gillies is pretty interesting, but to get one of the game's top five pitchers for those two would be a flat-out steal and it's incredible that the Phillies couldn't do better elsewhere.

    Things also look a better for the Blue Jays. Drabek isn't without risk, but he's one of the game's top-10 pitching prospects. With his legitimate No. 1 or No. 2 starter potential, he's a big upgrade from Aumont.

    As for the Phillies, well, the price for Halladay is certainly fair, but they're not getting nearly enough in return for Lee. That's quite a bit of talent they're bleeding for what should be a very modest upgrade in 2010. They definitely have their eyes on 2011 here, as Halladay's extension will be quite a bit more reasonable than what Lee was requesting. Still, I don't think it was worth sacrificing Drabek's potential to get the swap done. There should have been a more reasonable deal available if they had let the league know that Lee was up for grabs.
     
  19. BigDogsHunt

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    I think trading draft picks in MLB would make the game much more enjoyble for small and large market teams....here is pretty good pros & cons perspective.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091215&content_id=7811316&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb


     
  20. BigDogsHunt

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    This smells more like due diligence than real interest, but John Tomase and Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald report that the Yankees are "lurking in the weeds" and have expressed their interest in Jason Bay.

    At the very least this returns some pressure to Johnny Damon after a day in which some of it was taken off due to Matsui's departure. And heck, maybe Bay freaks out a day after the Sox signed Mike Cameron and, with a bleak future with the Mets staring him in the face, finds himself suddenly receptive to a reasonable offer from a winning team.
     
  21. BigDogsHunt

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    ESPN's Jorge Arangure tweets that, while nothing is imminent, the Mets, Phillies and Orioles are "in on" Fernando Rodney.

    Rodney likely wants to close as opposed to serving as someone's setup man, which makes Baltimore and Philly better options than New York, where K-Rod has the gig. Of course, if he thinks of himself as a Closer with a capital "C" he likely wants more money than a team like Baltimore should be paying for any single bullpen arm. As for Philly: haven't their fans had enough bullpen-induced heart attacks already? Sure, Rodney did well last year, but he continued to be all over the place control-wise. If a butterfly flaps his wings in South America, Rodney could go from the single blown save he had last year to numbers that are positively Lidgean.
     
  22. Nappy Roots

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    looks like Rays and Cubs swapping Burrell and Bradley is imminent. just working out the numbers as to how much of Bradleys tab the Cubs will pick up. should be around 6 million, which is tremendous move by the Rays IMO.
     
  23. Ray Finkle

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    Until Bradley has a melt down and kills Joel Madden.
     
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  24. BigDogsHunt

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    ESPN.com's Buster Olney reports that the Phillies are planning on trading outfielder Michael Taylor to the A's for Brett Wallace.

    It has been a crazy couple of days. Taylor was linked to the three-team blockbuster involving Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee, but is apparently involved in a totally separate deal. The big 23-year-old hit .282/.359/.491 this past season at Triple-A Lehigh Valley. Wallace, 23, batted .302/.365/.505 in 182 at-bats with Triple-A Sacramento after being acquired from the Cardinals.
     
  25. BigDogsHunt

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    According to FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal, the Yankees are "very interested" in Ben Sheets but believe he is in no rush to sign.

    Sheets is reportedly seeking up to $12 million annually, which is quite the demand for a guy who hasn't pitched in a major league game since September of 2008. That said, he does offer a 3.72 career ERA and 1.20 career WHIP, and was one of the most dominant pitchers in baseball only a few years ago
     
  26. BigDogsHunt

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    Around 12 teams have contacted Matt Capps' agent, Paul Kinzer, to discuss contract parameters, according to an ESPNChicago.com report.

    Interested parties include the Cubs, Yankees, Orioles, Nationals, Marlins and Rangers. "Matt has interest in the Cubs," Kinzer said. "We know they like him, but we'll be proactive in this market. You can' t just wait for one team." He could be utilized in Chicago as a setup man for closer Carlos Marmol. The 26-year-old Capps had a poor 5.80 ERA in 2009, but he boasts a 3.61 career ERA and has issued only 50 walks in 271 2/3 career innings. He's looking for a multi-year deal.
     
  27. Roman529

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    I don't know how you could honestly say Drabek is better then Aumont....Drabek has never pitched at the AAA level. Aumont is 6'7 with a 95+ mph fastball and he blew away major league players when he played for Canada in last year's WBC. Aumont is also younger then Drabek. The bottom line is the Phillies could not have had Lee and Halladay on next year's roster....the money just isn't there, and the Phillies payroll would have been at $160 million....they can afford $140 M.

    Next year, Jaime Moyer's deal comes off the books, if not this year should he not recover from his ripped groin, or should he retire. The Phillies farm team and prospects are still in the top ten even should they give away the prospects mentioned in the Halladay deal. The Phillies decided 4-5 years of Halladay was better then one year of Lee. Ruben Amaro made the right decision.
     
  28. BigDogsHunt

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    To each their own....

    I'd rate them: Drabek, Taylor, Aumont, Gillies, D'Arnaud.

    A top 100 list "prospects this upcoming year".....ummmm, I'd probably have Drabek near #20, Taylor say near #40 and Aumont near #60. Neither of the other two would be very close to making it.

    Drabek is the better prospect on most folks board...just is.
     
  29. Ray Finkle

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    Well besides from the fact that almost every scout likes Drabek better and that he has a better shot at staying as a starting pitcher while Aumont has been a reliever for the past year due to concerns about his hip holding up. Yeah Drabek is 13 months older than Aumont but he's thrown more professional innings than Aumont and is closer to reaching the majors and in his development, which makes him less risky than Aumont. Also Aumont hasn't reached Triple A either, citing a single meaningless WBC game in which he threw exactly 1 inning doesn't help the arguement.

    This just sounds to me like you're talking yourself into liking Aumont more than Drabek now that he's a Phillie.
     
  30. BigDogsHunt

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    This is getting crazier and crazier....

    As if the massive three-team trade wasn't intriguing enough already, ESPN.com's Buster Olney reports that the Blue Jays are acquiring prospect Michael Taylor from the Phillies in order to flip him to the A's for fellow prospect Brett Wallace. Seriously.

    Betting on Wallace or Taylor is a very interesting and not-so-little "challenge trade" piggy-backing onto what is essentially the gigantic challenge trade of Philadelphia choosing Roy Halladay over Cliff Lee. And this three-team (or maybe four-team now) trade has officially reached "insane" status.
     
  31. Roman529

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    Aumont was rated 26th in the 2009 Baseball Prospects List.....Drabek was rated 163rd. I guess it depends who you want to believe:

    http://www.scoutingbook.com/prospects/

    Hopefully the Phillies will stear clear of Fernando Rodney. I would take Lidge on his worst day of Rodney. :lol:
     
  32. Roman529

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    Taylor is blocked in Philly with Ibanez, Werth and Vicorino in the outfield. I kind of like Dominic Brown a little more as a future Phillies' outfielder, maybe in 2011, or 2012, it all depends what they do with Werth, but we are overloaded in the outfield. :up:
     
  33. BigDogsHunt

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    That was last year....:up:
     
  34. Anonymous

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    The contract for Halladay is 3 years 60 million with a $20 Mill option in the 4th year.
     
  35. BigDogsHunt

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    Late last night Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported that the Cards had offered Matt Holliday an eight year deal at $16 million a year. This afternoon ESPN's Buster Olney is saying uh-uh, it's only five years. Buster makes mention of Strauss' report, but doesn't characterize it as bogus or anything, so maybe there's some vesting/option element to the Cards' five year offer that could make it into an eight-year deal if everything went right.

    Either way, Buster reports that Holliday is not jumping at the offer and the Cards are acting like a team that made its last offer and is ready to move on, suggesting that it's not quite the blockbuster offer that Strauss suggested last night.
     
  36. BigDogsHunt

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    I must concur.....pretty fair assessment of all the parts and totals.
     
  37. BigDogsHunt

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    David Waldstein of the New York Times reports that the Mets are close to signing Japanese pitcher Ryota Igarashi to a two-year contract.
    Igarashi is a 30-year-old right-handed reliever who has pitched for the Yakult Swallows since 1999. He saved 37 games in 2004, but has primarily been a setup man since, posting a 2.87 ERA and 86 strikeouts in 97.1 innings over the past two seasons after missing all of 2007 following Tommy John surgery.

    Patrick Newman of NPB Tracker put together a detailed scouting report on Igarashi, including the fact that he's one of Japan's hardest throwers with a fastball that reaches the upper-90s. According to Newman he also features a hard splitter with the occasional slider, but has spotty control. No word yet on the monetary details, but based on his track record, stuff, and the two-year deal it looks like the Mets view Igarashi as a late-inning setup option in front of closer Francisco Rodriguez.
     
  38. BigDogsHunt

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    Aroldis Chapman had his big workout this morning. Scouts from 15 teams showed up to watch him pitch two five-minute bullpen sessions. According to Jorge Arangure, he threw in the 92-93 mph range for the most part and and topped out at 96.
    The Twittersphere is complaining about his velocity this afternoon, but it's probably worth noting that (a) the much repeated "100 mph" stuff about Chapman is based on a single radar reading from the WBC and could have been a fluke; (b) Chapman is still a lanky 21, and could easily add some velocity once he is farther into a workout regime superior to that he saw in Cuba; and (c) even if he tops out at 96 mph for the rest of his career, that would make him the hardest throwing lefty starter in the majors.

    No, the real question isn't the gun, it's the control. No word from Arangure about that, though it's probably hard to really gauge control in a bullpen session. He's being referred to this afternoon as "a tremendous talent." Someone in that same article compared him to Brien Taylor. I think it was meant as a compliment, but jeez, Brien Taylor? FanHouse's Ed Price heard from someone who was there who said "he's got the package." I'm not sure what that means and wonder if the person who said that really does either. Everyone talked about his arm, but we all knew he had a good arm. The question is whether he can pitch.

    The next question is if any of the teams in attendance -- which included the Yankees, Orioles, Reds, Nats, Royals, Phillies, Cubs, Rangers, Mariners, Red Sox, Astros, Angels, Marlins and Pirates -- are going to top the Sox' offer of $15.5 million.
     
  39. BigDogsHunt

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    Replay at the top of folks minds....
    Bud Selig is a big fan of using self-selected committees and task forces to (a) make findings that he'll later tout as gospel as he tries to achieve his own ends; and (b) give him political cover on tough issues. He did it with economics. He did it with steroids. He's doing it with Oakland. Now he's doing it with rules, scheduling and pace-of-game issues. I'm guessing it's because he wants to either do something truly radical or absolutely nothing at all.

    In any event, they should put a conference room table on Selig's Hall of Fame plaque.
     
  40. Boik14

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    A couple of signings and rumors per rotoworld:

    Red Sox signed Mike Cameron to a two-year, $15.5 million contract.
    The deal also carries a limited no-trade clause. Cameron, 36, hit .250/.342/.452 with 24 home runs and 32 doubles in 628 plate appearances this past season for the Brewers. The Red Sox haven't decided whether to place him in left field or allow him to take over in center for Jacoby Ellsbury. He's a solid defender and should do well no matter where he's positioned.

    Blue Jays signed C John Buck to a one-year, $2 million contract.
    Buck was non-tendered by the Royals a few days ago and the Jays hopped right in and swooped him up. The 29-year-old hit .247/.299/.484 this past year with eight homers and 36 RBI in 186 at-bats.

    ESPN.com's Buster Olney has heard that the Mets "are monitoring" the Matt Holliday talks but are "not actively involved."
    Holliday's agent, Scott Boras, is scheduled to meet with Mets general manager Omar Minaya this week. Boras could be trying drum up a market for his client and involving a New York team is never a bad idea, but the actual level of interest the Mets have in Holliday remains unknown. The Cardinals are the only team with a standing offer to the 29-year-old outfielder.
    Source: Buster Olney on Twitter
    Related: Mets

    A source has informed Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com that the Red Sox are "working hard" to obtain Adrian Gonzalez from the Padres.
    "A deal is not close, and might not happen at all," sources told Rosenthal, but the Red Sox are clearly making an effort. The Padres, though, have no real reason to trade Gonzalez and are asking for a monstrous package of young talent in return. The 27-year-old first baseman posted a .958 OPS and 40 home runs in 2009 while earning just $3 million. He's only owed $4.75 million in 2010 and carries a bargain $5.5 million club option for 2011.
    Source: FOXSports.com
    Related: Red Sox

    According to SI.com's Jon Heyman, the Mets have upped their offer to Jason Bay and are now including a fifth year option.
    Perhaps the Mets really are serious about landing a top free agent. Their original offer to Bay was reported at four years, $65 million, and this new offer could be worth around $75 million over five years, according to Heyman. The 31-year-old Bay hit .267/.384/.537 this past season with 36 home runs, 119 RBI and 13 stolen bases in 531 at-bats for the Red Sox.
    Source: SI.com
    Related: Mets
     
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