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My opinion why Vontae didn't start

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by hooserdaddy, Dec 14, 2009.

  1. hooserdaddy

    hooserdaddy Season Ticket Holder

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    This is completely my opinion, and have no facts to support this but I noticed in the day after press conference with Sparano that a question was asked why Jason Allen started over Vontae Davis, and he said it was between he and Vontae. I wonder if this could be related to Vontae taunting Tom Brady last week by putting the 2 fingers up after a play which everyone knows what him saying I've intercepted you twice. I like his confidence but I think they benched him as a lesson to him that there is a fine line between confidence and taunting, and he could have cost us a 15 yard penalty and giving New England a first down. Again this is only an opinion but I think this may have been a wake up call by Tony saying to go over board because it could cost the team the next time. Does anyone else have other suggestions or anything to say about this?
     
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  2. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    As an alternative, he was simply outplayed in practice.
     
  3. PhinishLine

    PhinishLine Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Could also be a "Don't get cocky" message too. Vontae has been playing good. But he's still not off the leash. He's put out there to grow and learn. Not run his mouth. Coaches probably let him know that by letting him sit out a quarter and show that they can do just fine without him in the lineup for a spell.
     
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  4. LandShark13

    LandShark13 New Member

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    Could also have just been late to a meeting. Who knows really...
     
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  5. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    definitely knocking vontae off his high horse
    in some form
     
  6. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    I have to think it has something to do with an off the field issue. If Tony punished players for talking too much Crowder and Porter would never see the field.
     
  7. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    vontae is a rookie
    sparano is probalby showing him what not to do
    being cocky
    if you use those two as examples
    we don't really know what happened
    never will
    see my post above
    that is my opinion
     
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  8. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    First thing we all said in the chat room was that he had to have broken a minor team rule. It was just a series so most likely late for a team meeting or something trivial. Only a problem if he doesn't learn from it.
     
  9. Stitches

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    He didn't even taunt Brady, so I really don't understand your opinion.
     
  10. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I could see it. But, does that really warrant not starting against pretty decent WRs in Torry Holt and Mike Sims-Walker? I'd bet he was late to a meeting or some such. Nothing to be concerned with as I thought Vontae played pretty well.
     
  11. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    I don't think so because even sparano thinks this

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    Is ****ing awesome.
     
  12. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    rookie cb sending a message to the nfl darling
    luv it
     
  13. unluckyluciano

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    its a rookie stepping up to an nfl giant. haha. Greatest. thing.evar.
     
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  14. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    Probably the same reason why D. Thomas didn't start. Doesn't Sparano wanna give these guys a little break being that it's the first time they're playing more than a 12 game season
     
  15. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    He only sat a series, probably because he missed a team meeting, no biggie.
     
  16. brandon27

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    Its possible, its also possible that it was just a minor team rule that he broke. Either way, its not that big of a deal I suppose.

    How about this, maybe it was throwing Allen a bone for playing well against Welker. As if to get his confidence up more, help him improve. Just another reach.... probably a big one here though since Davis was really only out for one series at the start. I think its more a form of discipline for breaking a team rule, or to teach a lesson of some sort.
     
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  17. Crappy Tipper

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    No matter what the reason I'm glad Sparano has the marbles to keep discipline in the team. The tighter to the line these guys walk the less likely losing their head is going to lose us a game.
     
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  18. Killerphins

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    either way the message was sent
    even if it was a meeting
    throw cold water on him
    ya cant put out vontae's fire out either way
    he got right back on the field
    as it should be
     
  19. Killerphins

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    you tell me
    no one knows why
    it is the million dollar question
    you said vd might have been out played in practice by allen
    doubt it
     
  20. mracer

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    This regime is all about respect. Look what happened to Roth.
     
  21. fins1

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    We would be better with Marshall, but not when he is deciding when to show up for meetings.
     
  22. Ozzy

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    Sparano asked his players to play with more fire this past week. Did anyone notice Ricky shhhussh the crowd on his first TD>? Thats totally not Ricky's style but he said he the coach told them to add some fire into the game so thats what he came up with......

    So I highly doubt he was sitting Davis to calm him down.
     
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  23. LandShark13

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    Just last week he told his players he wanted them to have more fun on the field and play with more fire. No way in hell he sat him because he was to cocky or to "knock him off his high horse". He broke a team rule, late for a meeting. has to be something along those lines. Who knows maybe hes been late for a couple meetings or had a sloppy day at practice.

    With this regime we will never know lol =)
     
  24. Rhody Phins Fan

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    It's probably because Jason Allen is awesome.
     
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  25. PHINANALYST

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    i agree, that it was simply a message to him ... don't let your jock get too big ...

    don't stick your finger in Brady's face ... you are only a rookie - and haven't earned that right yet ... not that this regime likes that brashness anyway ...
     
  26. the 23rd

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    only the caoch knows & he's not telling anybody
     
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  27. fins1

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    'Other teams are struggling no more than the Dolphins but somehow their problems seem magnified. The Patriots, for example, had four players late to meetings last week. Those four were sent home before practice and one was scratched from Sunday's game.

    Well, rookie Vontae Davis was late to something or other last week. But there was no drama surrounding Davis. He was simply benched for the game's first series on Sunday.''

    http://www.miamiherald.com/616/story/1380683.html?storylink=omni_popular#none
     
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  28. WharfRat

    WharfRat Malignant Lunatic


    IMO He earned that right when he hauled in the second pick
     
  29. dolphindebby

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    I agree.
    He got brady.....nuff said IMO.
     
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  30. Frumundah Finnatic

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    and Porter gets to do his stupid sack kick?
     
  31. Killerphins

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    knocking him off his high horse in some form is what i said
    whether that means he felt too self important to make a meeting
    maybe he has a swagger around the facility coach don't like
    tony thinks he is too big for his britches
    who knows
    i dont
    you pretend you know
    only the coach knows and he aint saying
    not going to argue over speculation
    time to move on
     
  32. WharfRat

    WharfRat Malignant Lunatic

    That's what we do here... speculate and debate.
    Who here has ALL the answers?
     
  33. TiP54

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    He was late to a meeting.
     
  34. hooserdaddy

    hooserdaddy Season Ticket Holder

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    No offense but that article gives no more proof than my opinion other than it was put on the Herald. That writer is suggesting that it could have been being late for a meeting but has no source to back it up. They are guessing that's what happened but I think were never really going to find out. With that being said I liked the confidence and laughed when I saw Vontae stick the 2 fingers out to Brady but my only concern was could a referee had seen that and thrown a flag for unsportsman like conduct and giving the Patriots life again. After watching it over it looks like it was well after the play, and there wasn't as much risk in getting a penalty as I first thought. My thinking was Sparano wanted to teach him a lesson that there is thin line between being confident and taunting but again that was only my opinion, and after I looked back at it I don't think there was much risk at all.
     
  35. Onehondo

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    Sparano and Davis know what it was for and thats the way it should be. Sparano's players respect him and thats more than you can say about some coaches who passed through Miami recently.
    As far as Davis showing two fingers to Brady I am sure he has heard and seen a lot worse and Davis said it in passing, he didn't get all up in his grill or anything.
     
  36. LandShark13

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    Ok let me try and put the idea that VD was benched to knock him down a peg to rest. The last few weeks the Coach has been emphasizing to his players that they need to have fun out there. Let me also point out that most of the team is adept at celebrating success. In fact I'm hard pressed to think of anyone besides maybe Ricky that doesn't celebrate or talk some trash.

    Porter has his own show on the NFL network in which each and every week it talks trash on national television and has yet to be fined to demoted because of it.

    Coach Sprano loves for his guys to go out and have fun and in fact he emphasizes it to his team. Below is an excerpt from Tony Sprano's 12/2/09 press conference in which he makes it a point to make it clear he wants his players to have fun.

    Here is a direct link to that press conference!

    NOTE:
    The above comment was at 4 min in to the conference.
     
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  37. dolphindebby

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    Sparano and Davis know what it was for and thats the way it should be


    That's what Tony said in his presser the other day.
    And like you said, that's the way it should be.
     
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  38. dolpns13

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    It was after the play occured and although we would have gotten a 15 yard penalty, the ball would not have gone back to the Ratriots.. When post play penatlies occur after turnovers, the ball is never given back to the team that lost the ball.
     
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  39. Killerphins

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    please tell me where i said that because i didn't
    when i used the term high horse you automatically assume i meant on the field
    you choose to ignore the part where i said in some form
    this could mean that it had to do with a meeting
    maybe vd feels like he is above having to attend
    sparano knocks him down by sitting him down
    i was ready to move on and lets hope vontae learned his lesson and it doesn't happen again
    you seem to be very condescending when dictating to me how players should be treated
    i never called sparano a kindergarten teacher but if you choose to use that term he disciplined the kid so he felt he had to address the issue :wink2:
     
  40. Killerphins

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    i was warned just last week for posting what some thought was not factual regarding matt roth
    i made a comment that was inappropriate and apologized
    then was told i need to post fact
    confusing
     

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