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Player Profiling Tip of Day:

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  1. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    Irrelavent Tip of Day:

    ......... ........... ..........

    There is no tip, only my final OP.

    It's..... all..... bollocks..... anyways.
     
  2. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Channing Crowder must be the best ILB in the league. I'm not sure if this is true at all Todd....any links to prove the validity of this?
     
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  3. Stitches

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    Plenty of people choose to talk slower and think about what they are saying, it does not mean they don't have the mental ability to react quickly or process large amounts of information in a minimal amount of time. It might just mean they are thoughtful or you know, they care about what they say (not that some quick talkers don't).
     
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  4. Boomer

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    Todd....you....are....talking....bollocks....!
     
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    TP..Bro...try and find a live interview with Chris Johnson, find a single one and cover your ears as Mr. Johnson may be fast on the field, his tongue is still stuck in 3rd grade.

    It's bad...really bad....

    Ditto Randy Moss...Chad Pennington...

    How about this tip:

    Look for the player who is moving at a different speed against top level competition, watch Spiller or Suh, totally different speed even on film.

    Or watch which way a Rb falls after contact...forwards or is knocked back, or stopped and keeps driving.

    Watch the Dlineman or Olineman's head when the make first contact, does it snap back? Drop? Stay level?

    Watch hand placement, do they consistently get their hands under their opponents pads? Does the opponent "rise" when they make contact?

    Watch for eating hot dogs on the sideline, it is a sign of potential candy assedness, or Fruedian issues..

    Okay, I made that last one up..
     
  6. Boomer

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    Myron Rolle must be the greatest safety of all time then.
     
  7. Alex44

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    Todd we just want a link or something to show there is actually any correlation to what you're saying :lol:
     
  8. Section126

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    LOL!!!!

    ESPN had an expose on the Florida State football program.

    it was determined that ANTONIO CROMARTIE (can we all agree that he is pretty good?)

    Is Functionally ******ED.

    let me type that again....

    FUNCTIONALLY ******ED.


    Now....I do take alot of credit around here for ranting and raving that day about passing up on Cromartie for Jason Allen...but had i known that the guy I was hot to pick was ******ed..I would not have picked him. i would have been wrong to not pick him just because of some mental ******ation.
     
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  9. F.O

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    Right before I opened this thread I was watching a Philip Rivers interview, and was thinking about how fast he was talking.. answering questions quickly and on point.

    Since you brought up Vontae, I'll bring up our other rookie corner, Sean Smith.. Sean is a very fast talker.

    Now let's throw out some slow ones.. I'll start.

    Mark Sanchez talks slow.. Or he has a lot of pauses while he speaks... even when asked very simple and basic questions. Maybe that's one of the reasons the Jets had to write his post-game press conferences with the media.

    Back to our rookies-- Pat White is a slow talker, as is Patrick Turner. Hartline though, talks fast and is on point.

    Jason Allen is a very slow talker.. He looks lost sometimes when asked a question, pausing and rollling his eyes. And even when he gets an idea of what the question is, he answers in a slow manner.

    Go to the old aquavision archive and search for Jason Allen, watch his interviews over the last 2 years for a good laugh....

    Unless he bores the hell out of you over the first minute and you have to shut him off.
     
  10. ToddsPhins

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    Not meaning to be rude, but I'm not understanding the point you're trying to convey. Is your point about intelligence, or is your point that Cromartie talks very fast yet is ******ed?
    Posted via Mobile Device
     
  11. Alex44

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    People from certain parts of the country tend to talk faster or slower. A lot of speech has to do with where you grew up.
     
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  12. Section126

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    The point is that Intelligence has nothing to do with ability.

    and the speed of speech has nothing to do with mental ability as Antonio Cromartie proves.
     
  13. Section126

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    and here ya go...

    he talks a mile a minute. and he is ******ed.

    Antonio Cromartie
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfFz2GQ1KHg"]YouTube- Antonio Cromartie at Hazel-E Pink Carpet Event[/ame]
     
  14. F.O

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    Dolphin Rookies who talk fast

    Vontae
    Sean Smith
    Brian Hartline

    Dolphin Rookies who talk slow

    Pat White
    Patrick Turner
    John Nalbone
     
  15. Section126

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    All-time Dolphins that talk slow:

    Dwight Stevenson
    Richmond Webb
    Dan Marino
    Mark Duper
    John Offerdahl
    Tim Bowens
    Pat Surtain
     
  16. alen1

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    Lester Hayes talked really slow but he was really good. :)
     
  17. Section126

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    Dude...Jim Brown talks slow. Johnny Unitas talked slow. Barry Sanders talks slow.
     
  18. Boomer

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    Yes. And with remarkably breadth, knowledge and insight.
     
  19. ckparrothead

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    Oh man. I cracked up when I originally read this but chose not to respond or be argumentative about it. I'm glad Simon took this one, lol.
     
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    George Foreman did pretty well, too, and he speaks with all the speed of sap running down a maple tree. Deoin Sanders spoke fast, Earl Campbell slow. Not so sure about this whole premise. Dan Marino spoke slowly and isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but his reaction/decision making time was incredible. I don't see the pattern that you're referring to.
     
  21. azfinfanmang

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    Along with;
    Joe Montana
    Dick Butkus
    Dan Marino
    Jerry Rice
    Lynn Swan
    Gayle Sawyers
    Roger Staubach
    Tony Dorsett
    And on and on and on and on........
     
  22. Boomer

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    So then you'd agree that his Presidential air, based on your hypothesis, means that he's likely to become Kenny Easley redux?
     
  23. azfinfanmang

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    Just as importantly, just cause somebody is a fast talker doesn't mean they have ability or any Football savy what-so-ever :up:
     
  24. ckparrothead

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    This thread is threatening Zach Thomas to Safety status. I love it. :)
     
  25. Boomer

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tdgl08AXrc"]YouTube- 1993 - Bo Jackson[/ame]

    Bo Can't Speak For Diddly......yet he's one of the greatest and most electric, quick twitch American sportsmen of the century.
     
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  26. Boomer

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    Yes but how fast did he talk?
     
  27. Boomer

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    I think you could make a pretty good argument that Mike Tyson wasn't in the top 10 of greatest boxers of all time when you actually look at names such as Jack Dempsey, Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Louis, Benny Leonard and Jack Johnson. Johnson himself was a notorious lover of poetry and spoke with a slow, eloquent grace which, quite apart from his boxing skills, irritated the white man even further.
     
  28. rafael

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    My guess is that some people who can process information quickly when speaking also process information quickly when doing physical activity. However, my feeling is that there are just as many examples that prove the rule as there are exceptions. So, with all do respect to Todd, I don't see this tip having much value as an evaluation tool.
     
  29. Section126

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    Okay....want to talk boxers?

    fine with me.

    The guy that was Champ before Ali was Sonny Liston. Spoke slowly.

    Let's stick with Heavyweights.

    Joe Louis. Spoke VERY slowly. Floyd Patterson. Larry Holmes.

    If you sat 100 Boxing writers in a room and asked them to name the greatest boxer of all-time.....about 98 of them would say Sugar Ray Robinson....

    yep...you guessed it...Ray Robinson spoke SLOWLY.
     
  30. Section126

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    Great Slow-talkers in history:

    George Washington
    Winston Churchill

    On the flip side...

    Adolph Hitler and Osama Bin laden have a very quick and fast cadence.

    You know...the OP is on to something....
     
  31. djphinfan

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    I see your angle TP, i would at least say its a red flag during the evaluation process.

    Somethin that i find myself taking a higher prescedent in terms of evaluation of a player is, the body.

    I think the insight on how a professional athlete trains his body on his own, is an inditement on their character, and intelligence, good or bad.

    I find myself becoming more weary of professional athletes who do not have the thought process that makes them want to train their bodies, down to a science.

    Bottom line, i'ts getting to the point in human evolution, that if you dont train your body down to a science, and your getting paid copious amounts of money to do so, and you dont put that in your repatoire?, when accepting that contract?, I'am sorry, i don't trust you completely.

    Even offensive lineman and Dtackles.

    TP, you have mentioned that you want to sign vince wilfork, this is a man that does not follow my standards for an NFL player anymore..I understand that i may lose out on some good football players.

    If i was a gm, i could see myself really emphasizing this to an unprescedented level, and iam thinking our own code is on the same page..Jake Long is the ultimate example relative to his position.

    If you dont train your body, down to a science, no matter what position you are playing, you are not on my football team....The new breed of scout.
     
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  32. rafael

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    I can tell you that my speed of speech has changed depending upon where I've lived. Heck, even on extended vacations I tend to pick up the local cadence. I'd like to think that my processing speed is unchanged.

    No matter where I've lived, I'm generally considered a fast talker. When I moved to Nevada however, my rate decreased. I don't know if it's b/c it's a smaller town or the pace of life is slower or what, but my rate of speech is definitely slower. Compared to people in Reno I still tend to speak quickly, but when I call people in New York I notice that they are speaking faster than I am. That didn't used to be the case.

    Also I speak faster in English than I do in Spanish. Technically, Spanish is my first language and I am fluent in both languages. But I speak English more frequently.
     
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  33. ToddsPhins

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    He talks a mile a minute, which AGAIN equates to the ability to process info quickly, and has absolutely nothing to do with intelligence. This is one of the reasons a "******" as you call him can succeed in the NFL..... b/c he has the ability to process quickly despite a lower IQ.... hence further proving my point. :up:
     
  34. Boomer

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    Please.
     
  35. ToddsPhins

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    Thank you.

    Notice the 3 rookies who are starting in the NFL.... and notice the 3 who are not.
     
  36. ToddsPhins

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    Sanders might talk slow now, but he didn't at Ok St. He was smooth and deliberate with quicker than normal pace. You could see by how he talked that he proccesses quickly.
     
  37. djphinfan

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    lets put it this way, What Todd is saying would not deter me from selecting the player, it would make me look deeper for the players character, cause if he has that, then i don't give a rats *** how slow he speaks.

    Red flag was a bad choice of word on my part.
     
  38. Section126

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    I read your OP.

    You said that quick speech translated to mental ability.

    I showed you with one glowing example...somebody that speaks very fast but is confirmed to be mentally ******ed.

    Which proves that there is no correlation to his mental processing and his speech.

    The guy is ******ed for christs sake. He can;t read or write...he has a IQ of 60...but you are trying to convince us that because he speaks fast..he has superior mental ability which helps him on the field.
     
  39. azfinfanmang

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    People from Texas DEFINATELY speak with a slow drawn out vocabulary.
    Californians tend to (Ever hear of Jeff Spicholi?)
     
  40. ToddsPhins

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    there are obviously other intangibles that go into a players make up. They don't all have to be fast talkers to be successful in the NFL. Other factors contribute. Rice was a great WR even though he ran a slow 40. Does that mean 40 time means nothing? Campbell was a power back that ran over people. George Foreman was not a finesse fighter. He pounded you. Reaction times arent as important to their success as they are to Ali or Deion. It has to apply to the position at hand. Obviously WRs (especially possession), TEs, OLine, and DLine arent as critical as others.

    Deion speaks fast... and on the football field he processed fast, which allowed him to be one of the best cover CBs in NFL history. He blanketed WRs b/c his brain could tell his body what to do lightening quick. It wasn't just speed. He could adjust.... readjust... and readjust again in the blink of an eye. But how fast he processes means nothing if he isn't processing correctly.

    You guys are taking this too far. It is merely an extra tool to help understand who processes info quicker than others. That's it.
     

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