I know you're older, Raf. LOL. I meant that you were still probably a fast talker when you were 22, which is the rough age of the guys we evaluate. I was a very fast talker 10 years ago and had to be reminded by others to slow down. Like you, I was quick twitch with extremely quick reactions. (which was not the reason for me starting this thread). Posted via Mobile Device
That doesn't affect his speech, it affects his confidence and how he deals with people in public situations. Essentially Ricky is hugely shy. For a quick twitch tailback with a Heisman, he talks slower than your average bear. Hell, Usain Bolt is hardly Chris Rock in the speech stakes. Perhaps if Chris Johnson and Ted Ginn had ignored a sprint race and settled for a talk off we could get some clarity on this situation.
because i respect the Cat's intelligence, and i understand that intelligent people can sometimes have theories that dont make sense to many others. I'll tell ya the reason since you asked, cause i respect his point of view on most cases so i wanna try to figure out figure out wtf he's talkin about, before I agree or disagree with him.
LOL dude, chill out. People are chain yanking you and you're taking it all to heart. C'mon man, it's the silly season. So what we don't agree. Doesn't make me a bad person and it doesn't make you wrong. But I STILL don't understand your hypothesis mainly because whilst you can give a few examples of sportsmen in different sports who speak quickly, there are also thousands who speak slowly and who have quick reactions. Honestly big man, you're taking this way too seriously. If I had a buck for everytime Section ridiculed me, I'd have a house in the Hamptons and I love Sect. You're good people who really contribute to this place. And 'm not a top dog whatever that is. I'm just one of the guys.
I agree. There's just a little chain yanking going on here along with a little healthy argument. I'm not attempting any playground shows of dominance when I point out that Todd is foraying into an area that would absolutely take tons of physiological and psychological knowledge, not to mention YEARS of study to even come CLOSE to crediting the theory. I'm just bringing up a valid point. The rest is just teasing.
This is my last post here, so I'll end it with: sorry CK, but YEARS of study have been done on this to show that there is a correlation between speech and movement from birth.... to the point that it's debated being genetic.... and it came from people with PHD's with YEARS of knowledge and studies regarding the subject. Speech and movement are linked b/c movement is a large part of communication. Only about 30% of communication is from what we say, the rest is from body language, expressions, tone, pitch, etc. Is it really that difficult to believe that these can actually be linked so that they work in rythm? Before we had a strongly developed language, we used body movements to help communicate. Have you never noticed that when people talk they use their arms, hands, etc in coordination with moving their mouth? The area of the brain that deals with speech is the Broca. ^^(So, apparantly....our words are linked to our body movements. They might not always be a direct reflection of eachother, but it's very possible that someone who speaks fast may have a higher probability of reacting fast etc.) ^^(It is very possible that people who process info fast causing their brain to make their mouth speak fast may also react fast since this deals with the same aspect of the brain.) ^^(The frontal lobe is coincedentally where the Broca is located.) Most, if not all these areas of the brain that deal with movement, reaction, etc are in the frontal lobe with the Broca. In theory, if speech has been proven to be related to gestures, body movement, etc, then it's very possible that a "fast speaker" whose brain processes quicker than normal may also have quicker reaction times or possibly quicker reflexes because: 1. They share the same area of the brain. 2. There can be a spill over effect into proximal areas of the brain, meaning if one area is overactive, then it's possible that areas around that may also be similarly affected, so if one area processes fast, a nearby area may also process fast. 3. There are more areas of the brain linked to speech and communication that previously thought. So, if your brain is processing fast and causing you to talk as fast as it's processing, then other parts of your body may also process equally as fast in order to keep up with how fast the brain is processing. Hasta la pasta.
The problem is that none of the above, none, demonstrates the value of "speech speed" (which you haven't even really defined in any meaningful and/or measurable way) as a predictor of athletic performance (which has also been presented very vaguely). Both the test and the results are presented in amorphous, ambiguous and wholly manipulatable terms. None of the citations above confirms or even lends credit to the original idea because none of it demonstrates the ability to overcome the very large and very obvious hurdles that such a theory would have to overcome, those being the conglomeration of a near infinite number of other factors that doubtless render the results of this predictor into patternless white noise. By making the statement you made, it's like showing up at the base of a mountain claiming to be ready to dig a highway through it...and all you're carrying is a shovel.
Guys cool it. You're both valued members of the board and knowledgeable posters. If there's a disagreement, let it go and move on. There's enough room for both of you here. Todds, I would appreciate a response to the PM. I'm trying to help with whatever you feel the problem is.
If i may say something in the most humbling tone...First off, i hope TP does'nt go anywhere, this board would miss him imo...he goes out of his way to compliment all of you from what i have seen, and he does it with respect, humor, and a unique flair. There's no doubt that in the club level there is a ridiculous amout of intelligence roaming around, { hell,sometimes i have to read CK's stuff 2, 3 times before i know what that "Good will hunting" cat is saying} however, our ethics, the way we communicate with each other, the ability to try to understand a personality without ever meeting them, yet still treat them like you have, is a whole different form of intelligence imo.. I mean, if the intention is to rib the poster, then maybe try to make sure its done from the start ya know, not at the end, and in a way where the poster understands that 1} your messin with them and 2} you disagree with them.... Starting out a Response with "LOL", followed by a comment that makes the original poster feel like their not reading what their writing at that moment, is just disrespectful imo, especially when the poster has earned mad respect up until that point...I would'nt do that to any of you, regardless of how out there, I thought your premise was. This website is part of my life and love for my team, i try to get to know the members the best i can, and in doing so, if that person earns my respect and the respect of the board, then i wanna know what their thinking about subjects, no matter if i understand the depths of that person's mind, accepting their POV and giving them the freedom to express themselves, without judgement or mockery, is part of intelligence imo. I can say that some folks on this board are more intelligent then I, in some forms, however, last time i checked, that does'nt mean the eye for evaluating talent is superior..only the record determines that. So if we wanna be like any old site, then who cares right, i can be a dick, i just thought we were building something different here. If we one day go to the superbowl, we all may meet for a party, i wanna see how funny ya'll's faces are, including TP, and especially Padre, without need for Marty, ive already seen that mug in pictures.
I disagree that writing 'LOL' and then making a comment is disrespectful. This isn't the Nurse Maids Union of America. We all get along, we're all here for one thing and we (should) all know when a little gentle mickey taking is occuring. Now I'm sorry if I upset Todd, but this is sort of getting to be a parody of the original thread before everyone started getting tetchy. Hell, F.O will be in here in a minute telling us how he predicted all this years ago and aren't we all rather silly for not seeing it his way.
Of course writing LOL and then a comment, is NOT disrespectful, i never wrote such a blanket statement. You know what Iam tallkin about i hope, Obviously theres a member of our's that was hurt and offended to the point where he may of split...That sucks man, and could of been avoided imo.
I think the general consensus is that speech speed may have a correlation with reaction speed but there are probably as many exceptions as there are times when it is validated. As a result, speech speed isn't useful as an evaluation tool. Obviously, anybody is free to disagree with the general consensus. Also I have no idea what having "a case of the painters and decorators" is.
Sadly, and I mean this with the utmost respect and diligence, we seem to be trending toward the former more than we want to admit. Now, anyone who knows me, knows I am all for a good chain-yanking, and chuckles, but being able to address a POST and state "I dont understand or concur with your assessment, as far to many examples exist from a FOOTBALL standpoint to counter your hypothesis. But I am trying to understand your point, but I just dont see it." ....is totally different than "....Boy this is turning into a Zach T @ Safety thread". Tying the above thoughts together is fine...but only going with the 2nd does nothing for the original post (or Poster)...and lets others go down the same path. Tying the two together is the equivalent of "LOL, interesting read, but I think you may be off your meds." and is a reasonable response especially if each poster have a history of tit for tat in the past. I think many, many, posters only type to bring an emotional response from readers.....ToddPhin is clearly not that person. Like others, he types to bring an educated thoughtful reply, in agreement or disagreement. I would hope many of us attempt to remove emotion from the WISH list of why we want folks to ponder our point of view or opinion. I am see this type of stuff more and more in the MAINs. I know Mods/Admins have a tough time policing every thread and post...but once we go down the path of allowing posters to rip and make ASININE comments on one aspect without regulation then it leads to more and more thinking this is fair game and how we want members to be treated. I can clearly see the overall point ToddPhin is raising for debate (isn't that a good thing?). I can appreciate counter points of view that try to point out examples of FOOTBALL related incidents that do not balance with the OP thought. But I do think each of us (slow season or not) have the ability to bring points of view in a respectful manner. We can agree to disagree in a more civil manner when it comes to stating ones OPINION. Aside from pointing out examples (which exist everywhere in society) ToddPhin has taken the time to use medical science to support his hypothesis. Doesn't make it correlate 1-to-1 from FOOTBALL standpoint, but he never stated it always will. As he has stated, just like other PHYSICAL measurements, the MENTAL side measurements (as someone stated the current Wonderlic test has issues) could indeed benefit from other forms of monitoring and measurements. A counter argument in this area would be beneficial.....and one that goes beyond a simple "Bollocks" or "Glacier speed" comment only. Now, a good "Bollocks" or "Glacier speed" zinger at the end of a thought out response is warranted on occasion for sure. And not taking ourselves to seriously is never a bad thing. Again, keeping this site a cut above all others is a honorable goal, but the detriment will be when posts are allowed to go on without policing of the comments that lead to fair and logical "ripping" or "ribbing" in return. Its those ridiculous statements that often get retailation...and often as in Football the retaliator is flagged far more than the original culprit. my 2 cents for sure..
Iam always in the mains, watchin good up and comers to our site, I do take it upon myself to protect our site in my own way, so i try to as indiscreetly as possible, keep a cool vibe between folks if i see trouble, just so relationships can grow.. and actually, i see a totally different behavior in our mains then anywhere else, its almost like we have some troopers in there that if anyone comes in with ego or disrespect,or trolls, they police themselves, ive seen it several times and its pretty cool.
And much like this OP and responses, I can point to many, many instances where that isn't the case. We both know, we are not free from IDIOTIC or ASININE posts/threads for sure.
I take exception to that statement. I do not post idiotic comments of any nature. Now, stupid, irrelevant, moronic and the clinically ******ed are all mine, but this idiotic thing belongs to someone else. Can we stick to within the assigned parameters in the future? Is that too much to ask?
If i look at the topic of genetics, i can maybe see what TP was trying to convey in his theory.. Yes, there's lots of exceptions of football players who do not have great bodies or genetics, or frames, but i would be lying if i told you that it does'nt matter to me when iam evaluating a player.. Skinny calves scare the crap out of me, lol. I believe you can project, to a degree, some of the time, a players athletic ceiling based on genetics. I know its a completely differnt dynamic, just throwin it out there.
We all as a family need to always remember to respect the other family member, remember they are a human being and don't make things personal. If you see something getting ugly, use the report button, and we will handle it. We as a family make the site what it is, or what it isn't.
You know, if I could read, this might be really funny. You know I always thought ****** was my well known nickname until high school.
