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Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

Discussion in 'Gaming Forum' started by Medieval954, Oct 31, 2009.

  1. mor911

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    You are talking about Madden here right?

    Also, I don't think Bad Company 2 will overtake COD. For one, the MW brand is WAY too big now. Not saying BC2 will be bad, just saying the name isn't enough to tough MW2 (remember when Halo was an unstoppable force?). Lastly, I'm pretty sure the 360 is the lead platform on BC2 (just as it was on BC1), so it will suffer from all of the console to PC issues MW2 did.

    Just a thought.
     
  2. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Not really. BC2 will have dedicated server support for the PC. They will also provide their SDK - source code so mods can be made, etc. Although a lot of it will be ported from the 360, they will be most def accommodating the PC industry.

    this Q&A was taken from another forum and was quoted, but no link provided.

    Dedicated Server FAQ for Battlefield Bad Company 2 PC

    Will there be an option to have my own dedicated server?
    Yes, DICE will have trusted partners with datacenters worldwide that you'll be able to rent a dedicated server from ensuring you always have a quality server in your region.

    How much will it cost to rent a dedicated server for Battlefield Bad Company 2?
    Because these are offered by the trusted partners we can't answer that, but they will be priced fairly according to your market.

    Can I control my server with remote admin tools?
    Yes, you will have the ability manage your server via remote admin tools allowing you to manage your server, your way.

    Is there the option to give my server a custom name?
    Yes, you'll be able to name your server what you like.

    Will I be able to make a reserve list for my server?
    Yes, you will be able to reserve a limited amount of space on your server when public for whom ever you like.

    Am I able to host a private match?
    Yes, you will be able to password protect your server.

    Is there a client server browser to view server lists? Yes, clients on the PC will have a full server's browser to select the server they'd like to play on.

    Can I earn ranks and rewards on my rented server? Yes! You will be able to run your server as Ranked allowing you to still earn unlocks, rewards, and host a server for all to enjoy.

    Are PC clients going to be match made to servers? No, PC clients will use their server browser and filter options.

    Will you have an anti-cheat requirement?
    Yes, all dedicated servers and clients on PC will be required to have the anti-cheat software running at all times.


    At least Dice have acknowledged where they came from and have learnt from Infinity Ward's (COD) and Codemaster's (Operation Flashpoint 2) mistakes. The PC community is huge, and will always exist. IW killed their rep in that market.

    I honestly don't see overstepping the COD series as that big of a task since their games have proven to be status quo in terms of development and with all the hacking issues they're having, among others, well, we'll see.

    EDIT. This may not be a big deal for the console gamers, but on the PC, if you bought a legit version of the game, there are still hackers as there is no solid anit-cheat client. AND, because of coding, YOU CAN'T EVEN KICK THE CHEATER, there is no control on your own server! Imagine spending $70 for a game full of cheaters that you can't even kick! From what I've been reading here, consoles are facing the same issues too. Sad.
     
  3. finsincebirth

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    I may be in the minority, but I don't think I've run into any of these cheat rooms yet. *knock on wood*
     
  4. Ultra

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    100% agree. This game needed a 2 month open BETA to get all this stuff fixed. They've pissed off a ton of fans with the garbage going on now.
     
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  5. Stitches

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    Yet most of them are still probably playing it, huh?
     
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    It would have certainly helped with the bugs & glitches, but Tone was complaining about lack of dedicated server support & his absurd claim that its simply a re-skin. In that regard, no amount of lengthy beta would ease those concerns. IW was miffed about their lack of sales in the PC avenue for the first game. They talked about it after the launch of the first MW, the PC had more pirated/cracked servers than they did dedicated servers. So its not all that surprising they would try to limit the resources they put into the PC version for the next game. I will say one thing too, anyone who claims that MW2 is a reskin must be under the impression that the first MW had even 50% of the depth the sequel provides. As fun as the first MW was, its not even close.
     
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  7. Tone_E

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    MW2 uses the same engine. Guess what that means. And I don't care about depth of play, it won't last in mulitplayer.

    Secondly the dedicated server is a big issue for the PC community. You mention piracy, well, guess how many MORE pirated version there are now without dedicated servers. Also, there aren't any pirates on XB360 right? Seriously?

    Also, there was a boycott list of over 200,000 people for the PC version. That is a lot of sales. Granted, half the idiots bought the game anyway, but the large gaming communities arene't supporting COD anymore, and neither are the online leagues. That means the game dies out, and wont have nearly the community or logged hours as its predecessor COD:MW. Enter Bad Company 2, with dedicated servers, mod support, and so on. Gaming communities pick up the game, and it lives for a very long time.

    The most successful PC games are BF2, COD:MW, and Counterstrike/Half Life. All have dedi servers, source kits for the modding community and so on. That is how games stay alive. MW2 will die ever so quickly now, I almost want to put money on it.

    And you think PC gamers don't matter, check out Infinity Ward's stocks. You think dedicated servers don't matter, check out IW's stock. You think reliable anti-cheat software doesn't matter, check out IW's stock.

    http://www.linkedin.com/companies/infinity-ward
     
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    Take a guess what engine BC2 is using? Thats right, the Frostbite engine used in BC & 1943. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frostbite_Engine
    The fact is they spent less money on developing the PC version this time around, so it the difference is negligible to them. They still put out their game to the PC community, they arent under any obligation to cater to it.
    I dont see what your complaining about. It was IWs decision to cut back on some of their PC support, they knew what they were doing. The fact that you are critical of their business acumen is utterly ridiculous. Consider for a moment the fact that they have the most successful release of any game during this generation. They are laughing at such criticism all the way to the bank.
    BF2 is a joke these days my friend. I know because the last time I reinstalled it, the server list seemed almost barren compared to when it launched. As for MW, once again - there are more people who play that game on the PC without paying for it than those who play it legitimately.
    I never said PC gamers dont matter. Im a PC gamer myself- I simply laid out their reasoning for cutting back their investment in PC support. They have the most successful game out there by far, and the holidays are only going to further cement this game into history.
     
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  9. finsincebirth

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    any body want to play tonight...parkers212 hit me up
     
  10. Springveldt

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    After the last ban hammer there won't be a lot of pirates playing on live. The off line part of the game doesn't provide that many hours worth of enjoyment tbh.
     
  11. Springveldt

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    How many games used the Havok engine and for how long? If you have a good engine it makes sense to re-use/tweak it as much as possible. The engine is usually the most costly part of a good game.
    And MW2 dying out quickly on the PC is bad for Activision/IW how? They are going to sell way over 10 million copies on consoles alone.
    It makes no business sense to pour money into PC titles since the vast majority get hacked rather quickly. It's nearly impossible to make money on PC titles nowadays, they are sold cheaper and the ratio of legit/hacked is way worse than on a console.
    And how many will still rush out and buy the next COD?
    PC gamers do matter, just not as much as they used to.
     
  12. Tone_E

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    BC2 will be using the Frostbite 2.0 engine. I'll get a link when I can.

    Their stock doesn't agree, especially considering the fact that it is dropping even after their new MW2 game has been released and sold millions of copies. Also, I am not complaining, I was never into the COD series except for United Offensive. I personally prefer some more realistic games as opposed to the arcade nature of the later COD games. I am just saying that MW2 will not nearly have the longevity that MW1 had because of the lack of cheat support and dedicated servers. No leagues are adopting MW2. Sure they made their money with initial sales, but you won't find people buying the game a year later like MW1, or not nearly as many.

    There are still over 1500 servers man. You can't expect to have the same number of populated servers though, the game is how many years old?

    Agreed, but my point is that MW2 is dissapointing many people, not just the PC community and that will have an affect on their next release(s). I believe a Vietnam game is coming next. Sounds cool. :shifty:
     
  13. dolfan32323

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    After playing through this quite a bit I've come to a realization that the mechanics are better on this game but I prefer COD4 online. Everything in MW2 is just way too powerful, including the kill streaks. It might just be me but I feel that camping is also much more prevalent in this one (could be due to the kill streaks). Just feels much more "noob friendly" (COD4 is extremely noob friendly as well, but just feels more balanced).
     
  14. Clipse

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    I agree. The maps are built for camping, add in the fact that everyone is camping for killstreaks. Then you have the balance problem between the guns. I just started using the ACR, and now I realize why 75% of people use this gun. There is absolutely no recoil, I mean none whatsoever. Overall still a decent game that will last me until BF:BC2.
     
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    Correct me if Im wrong please, but I was aware that FB2 was still under development, and was the planned engine for Battlefield 3 to be utilized with Direct X 11... which is the REAL BF game any PC gamer should be yearning for....not BC2- which wont even have full air support or traditional BF sized maps. BF2 does look to be a good holdmeover for PC gamers though.
    I actually am in the same boat as you believe it or not. Although I do enjoy the arcade style shooters as well. Socom 2, Project Reality for BF2, and even Americas Army...they are fantastic and hell bent on realism. I also have fun playing the MW games(first ones I liked out of COD series), so their fast paced gameplay doesnt really bother me.
    I think you need to remember the fact that MW2 has star power. Its been talked about more than any other entertainment medium this year, and while I agree that it sucks that they didnt give the PC full support - they are making more profit from the PC avenue this go around because of their deicision to limit their resources.


    The things I noticed were issues like there merely being a fraction of the same amount of 24/7 servers for the old popular maps. There used to be tons of Ghost Town/Warlord 24/7s and rotating...not so much anymore. Also, the sheer amount of idiocy that one must acknlowlege to actually enter one of those Infantry Only servers....my lord....yeah lets play a Battlefield game without vehicles...i mean seriously- the vehicles are the only thing about the series that makes it worth playing. The shooting elements have always been lackluster, though Im hoping that changes with BC2 & BF3.


    Battlefield already did a Vietnam game, and it was pretty enjoyable. There were a lot of cool features in that game that didnt make it into following BF games probably because they didnt really mesh with the settings for them. There were environment traps, bouncing betties, spikes you could put in the ground, and underground tunnels engineers could set up for the whole team.....Music options when in vehicles that matched the Vietnam era, the game was fun.
     
  16. Tone_E

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    Come to think of it, you are correct. I read that the new Medal of Honor will be FB2.0, my bad. BF3 is still just a rumor, but I belive it to be a large scale PC exlusive. I just don't understand the piracy debate. Steam did a great job of making sure games can't be pirated, but even still, games like BF2 are all about multiplayer, and without a cd-key you can't do anything.

    Yeah, me too. PR is the bomb, I can't wait for 0.90 release. Canadian and Israeli forces, and new maps. :up: PS, PR is going to be a stand alone and gonna use the C4 engine. They can't afford the FB or Havok engines. This is the game that I play mostly now. If you wanna play, send me a pm. Do you have XFire?

    There is still a 24/7 Ghost Town map - HBD is the server name, and it is always populated 50+ ppl. I don't mind INF only servers, but I did get sick of them quickly, except sniping in Road to Jalalabad. :wink2:

    Yeah, I had my old rig at that time and tried installing it, but it was too slow. I can't see how the traps would add to the game. I am pretty sick of the claymore whores as it is in BF2, never mind traps.

    In the end, I know MW2 has star power, and great advertising. The series really immerses you into the action, and I credit them for that. It is like playing out a movie and thoroughly enjoy the single player campaign. And to be truthful, I would have bought the game if there were dedicated servers for the PC. Even on legit servers people cant control the cheaters, punkbuster isn't incorporated into the game, and the server host doesn't even have the ability to kick the hacker/cheater. :pity:
     
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  17. mor911

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    But you can pirate BF2 or any other BF game. Yes, you need a CD key to install the game (easy fix with a tiny app). And yes you need a valid CD key to play online.... UNLESS, you use pirate servers. Allowing gamers to play on whatever server they want allows people to play on pirated servers that do not need a valid CD key. Her is what IW was trying to avoid with MW2. I'm not saying what they did was right or wrong. I'm saying that right now I can download any BF game or MW1 and play it online within minutes. To my knowledge there's still no way to download and play multiplayer on MW2 without paying for it. That fans they've lost for not allowing private servers probably paid for itself because it bypassed the hordes of PC pirates.
     
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    After my PC crapped out on me just after buying my 360(irony), I still havent bothered to get it back up and running. Mostly because I plan on making some upgrades to it anyways and havent really been able to put aside funds for my PC...especially during holiday game release season :lol:. I was playing PR since its initial release, and while there were a ton of bugs I had to deal with - it still was a mod that really showed what talented coders could do with that engine. They also had a sense of humor, I mean seriously...car bombing is generally not a funny topic...but the arabic BF theme music played in the car bomb had me cracking up.:lol:


    LOL, that is the server I played on more than any other during my time playing vanilla BF2. A friend of mine in RL, named Mr_Big_Hit got completely addicted to Ghost Town and would play all day rushing to choppers. He was pretty good in them though, Ill give him some credit.


    Well, some of the traps were massive and you knew where they were. If you have ever seen the old disney movie, Swiss Family Robinson - and remember the traps they made out of logs that roll down hills - then you can get the picture. You could set them off by explosives from far away, or even shoot the log release with an accurate small arms shot. They werent in every map, really only the jungle ones like Cambodia where they are put on hills overseeing a bottleneck on the road where tanks have to travel. Essentially DICE was trying to build in ambush points. The other traps like the spikes have to catch you off guard, because they can be easily seen. You also have to be a specific class to use the spikes or the bouncing betties.
    If I didnt have my 360, I would actually be upset that they didnt have dedicated server support for the PC also. Mostly because I probably wouldnt have bought the game at all and would have been satisfied playing on cracked servers for free. :lol:
     
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    LOL. The music in the bomb car is wicked!!

    I have a PS3, but cant get used to playing FPS games with a controller, or I really would consider MW2. My whole point, without taking any direct stance is that IW released a half arsed product, more so on the PC (yes, they have their reasons) but also on the console as well. If they are going to cater to the consoles, they should at least make sure ppl can't hack and cheat on them.
     
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  20. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    I got bored and started goofing around with the riot shield and throwing knife. So.Much.Fun.
     
  21. Clipse

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    Love the riot shield. So decided to Prestige, and wow, never realized how great the tactical knife is. I've been in the top 3 the last 10 matches or so, just running around on domination using tactical knife on the Magnum.
     
  22. Clark Kent

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    lol, I did that too late last night... I had some sick kill-streaks going on, and even finished 1st in kills at Favela (19-8).
     
  23. finsincebirth

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    I finally got the STD title last night. Any of you other guys get this yet, or maybe infected?
     
  24. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Yep. Picked that up a couple nights ago. Haven't gotten the infected one yet.
     
  25. Clipse

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    Yea Favela is great for the the tactical knife. Went 30-4 on sub base today with it. Currently trying to unlock the tact knife for the USP.
     
  26. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    I'm currently trying to get steady aim pro... It's taking me forever the 1st prestige through (I'm level 50...). I ADS all the time now because of habit. I got like 12 to go.
     
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    the shotguns in this game are ridiculous
     
  28. Clipse

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    I'm horrible at ADS in close combat. Pretty good at hipfiring though.
     
  29. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    They really are. I don't mind people who use shotguns as a secondary for their sniper, or use them defending objectives. But nothing pisses me off more than people running around the map with Lightweight and Marathon just picking people off from distance with akimbo 1887's.
     
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    those guys...arrrgh...I would love to find where they live, go over, and then...BAM, punch 'em right in the face and just walk away
     
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    Had my best game ever the on Friday night. Went 21 and 0, could have had more but the game ended while I was in my AC130 :( I was using my explosive build - AK with noob tube, RPGs, C4, scavenger pro, danger close pro, last stand pro
     
  32. sking29

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    A lot of the stuff in this thread sounds like a foreign language to me...what in the world is a noob tube. :lol:
     
  33. mor911

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    Noob tubing is a noob method in FPS games in which players run around with a rocket launcher instead of an assault rifle or conventional weapon
     
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    Oh okay apparently the MW crowd is more in depth than what I'm used too when it comes to online play. :lol:
     
  35. Stitches

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    Actually, I'm pretty sure it refers to the grenade launcher attachment on an assault rifle. And frankly I don't understand why people ***** about it so much.
     
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    truthfully i have no idea. I was trying to sound intelligent and somehow made myself look like even bigger idiot.
     
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    yeah, it is the M203 slung under the AK (or any other assault rifle). People call it the noob tube because in CoD4 you could launch them directly into the other teams spawn at the beginning of the match and wipe them out. nothing like watching a kill cam where a guy seeminly fires directly at the sky just to watch the cannister fly over the map and land dircetly in the midst of your team before you can leave the spawn area. I haven't heard as much hate for them recently because: 1) they reduced the ammo you have 2) the dual shotguns and knife builds are much more annoying
     
  38. Clipse

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    I don't have too much of a problem with them. However it's annoying when A. People shoot them at spawn, which is easy to do one some maps, or B. Run around with the grenade launcher locked and loaded, this is even more annoying than the akimbo 1887's.
     
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    Well the term Noob Tube has been around much longer than MW. In BF:Vietnam it was definitely was about the Rockets(RPG7/LAW)...the M79 Launcher in that game actually took skill to use because of how much you had to adjust your shot. In close quarters though, the attachment launcher is nasty in almost every game its featured in.

    Ive seen some *******s running around using their RPG & Danger Close on spawn areas(at relatively close range)....I dont see how its any less "Noob" tag than using a grenade launcher there.
     
  40. Dubfire

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    Anyone else getting annoyed with the 18 player FFA match on Rust you randomly get thrown into from time to time??
    Happened to me 4 times in a row tonite. IW needs to address this fast.
     

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